chris murphy@chrismurphys6h
Abbott OnBible oath,after Magistrate held beyond doubt Nestor violated altar boy, described him as ‘extremely upright&virtuous’ #auspol
In all honesty I can’t see this changing more than a handful of votes, much as I might hope for more.
Given the free pass the media has long extended to Abbott I can’t see any of them being either willing or able to beat this up into a story that directly links or deeply implicates him in any actual legal wrong doing.
Of cause it contributes to a further reassessment of his character and his judgement but he has weathered just such storms in the past, (ref. Banton et al).
Now if he had actual knowledge or even plausible suspicion, that would be a legal horse of an entirely different colour. The press could have a field day with that.
Realistically though, the idea that ex seminarian Tony would side with any party other than the priest in this affair is laughable. I’d say, that he’ll be able to say in all honesty that he believed what he said at the time. He would have. The idea that he would readily or even easilly believe otherwise just doesn’t fit with what we already know of the man. The church and his part in it are a very important part of Abbott. Perhaps the most important part.
For mine, there’s nowhere for the story to go unless someone wants to make a character and judgement issue out of it, and we’re back to para 2 above. But para 4 is where my hopes and dreams lie.
According to Chris Murphy. Abbott did have knowledge. It was after the priest was found guilty and during the priest’s appeal that Abbott gave the character reference. So… where is the brave journo?
chris murphy @chrismurphys
24th March 2013 from TwitLonger
Before Tony Abbott MHR gave his evidence that helped the priest the young complainant told the court that Nestor grabbed his hand and pulled his hand backwards so that his hand was touching his erect penis and that Nestor’s erect penis was sticking out of the fly of his boxer shorts. He said that Nestor reached across over his body whilst he was still laying on his side and placed his hand inside the fly of his pyjamas and fondled his penis.’
Asked ‘Do you know of any reasons why (complainant) would make up these allegations?
Well, there’s any number of reasons why people would .think things happened, particularly at night I suppose’.
THE ACTUAL TRANSCRIPT OF TONY ABBOTT’S EVIDENCE DISTRICT COURT APPEAL BY CONVICTED PAEDOPHILE PRIEST AGAINST GAOL SENTENCE. AS A
Q. You are Anthony John Abbott?
5
You live at (deleted by Chris Murphy), Forestville?
A. I do.
Q. Since 1994 you’ve been a member of the House of 10
Representatives, representing the seat of Warringah?
A. That’s correct.
Q. Prior to that, you were the Executive Director of
Australian’s for Constitutional Monarchy? 15
A. I was.
Q. And prior to that you were the press secretary and legal adviser to the then Leader of the Opposition, Dr Hewson?
A. Political adviser and press secretary. 20
Q. You first met the defendant in February 1984?
A. That’s correct.
Q. When both of you were at St Patrick’s College at Manly? 25
A. Yes.
Q. It was your intention to become a priest?
A. At that time.
30
Q. And you were/there during 1984 and 1985?
A. That’s right.
Q. As was the defendant?
A. That’s correct. 35
Q. And in 1986 you did pastoral work in the Emu Plains area?
A. That’s correct.
40
Q. And in 1987 you discontinued your training from the priesthood?
A. That’s correct.
Q. You kept up your friendship with the defendant? 45
A. From time to time, yes.
Q. And you saw him?
A. From time to time, perhaps once or twice every twelve
months. 50
Q. And you’ve kept up that friendship until this day?
A. That’s correct.
Q.
A.
the met and
First of all, how would you describe him as a man? 55
An extremely upright and virtuous man. I guess one of
things that I liked very much about John when I first him, was his maturity, intellectual, social, emotional he was, to that extent I guess, a beacon of humanity at the Seminary
N18/02/97 155 ABBOTT X
How did he appear to get on with his peers at the at Manly?
Obviously we have different relations with different 5
people. John got on extremely well with some, less well
with others. I guess one of the things that marked John out
from his peers at the seminary was he was a man with high expectations of himself and others and I can recall on
occasions being more than a little annoyed with him, 10
because, you know, he would want to bring me up to the mark,
bring me back to the path of virtue from time to time and this didn’t always go over too well with me. And I guess it could annoy others as well.
15
Q. But as far as his own conduct was concerned, did you
ever become aware of anything which would in any way question his beliefs and his dedication as a priest?
A. Never.
20
Q.• And you’ve come all the way from Sydney today to give
this evidence?
A. I have indeed.
Q. You do have other duties to perform? 25
A. I have an electorate to represent and a ministry to
assist.
When I look into the eyes of another man I can always tell if he is a good man or a fake.
I don’t have to look into your eyes. Your words, here and there, are good enough for me.
4-Corners topic: Afghanistan-war. Did you watch it?
This is a monumental stuff up of epic proportions.
Bigger than even Vietnam-war.
Now Americans are working with child-molesters pedophiles & murderers, thieves, liars and corrupt so-called officials.
Hey I would call this a * fledgling de-mock-racy * 🙂
By the way, I’m watching Q&A at the same time as I am typing this, and there is a good deal of laughter coming from the audience. Guess whom they are laughing at..!! 🙂
Well we can add protector of paedophiles, to his violent, abusive, misogynist, bully to his list that demonstrates so clearly why he is so unfit to lead the country.
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chris murphy@chrismurphys6h
Abbott OnBible oath,after Magistrate held beyond doubt Nestor violated altar boy, described him as ‘extremely upright&virtuous’ #auspol
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In all honesty I can’t see this changing more than a handful of votes, much as I might hope for more.
Given the free pass the media has long extended to Abbott I can’t see any of them being either willing or able to beat this up into a story that directly links or deeply implicates him in any actual legal wrong doing.
Of cause it contributes to a further reassessment of his character and his judgement but he has weathered just such storms in the past, (ref. Banton et al).
Now if he had actual knowledge or even plausible suspicion, that would be a legal horse of an entirely different colour. The press could have a field day with that.
Realistically though, the idea that ex seminarian Tony would side with any party other than the priest in this affair is laughable. I’d say, that he’ll be able to say in all honesty that he believed what he said at the time. He would have. The idea that he would readily or even easilly believe otherwise just doesn’t fit with what we already know of the man. The church and his part in it are a very important part of Abbott. Perhaps the most important part.
For mine, there’s nowhere for the story to go unless someone wants to make a character and judgement issue out of it, and we’re back to para 2 above. But para 4 is where my hopes and dreams lie.
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According to Chris Murphy. Abbott did have knowledge. It was after the priest was found guilty and during the priest’s appeal that Abbott gave the character reference. So… where is the brave journo?
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“brave journo” is an oxymoron these days.
But we live in hope and maybe something will come of it.
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chris murphy @chrismurphys
24th March 2013 from TwitLonger
Before Tony Abbott MHR gave his evidence that helped the priest the young complainant told the court that Nestor grabbed his hand and pulled his hand backwards so that his hand was touching his erect penis and that Nestor’s erect penis was sticking out of the fly of his boxer shorts. He said that Nestor reached across over his body whilst he was still laying on his side and placed his hand inside the fly of his pyjamas and fondled his penis.’
Asked ‘Do you know of any reasons why (complainant) would make up these allegations?
Well, there’s any number of reasons why people would .think things happened, particularly at night I suppose’.
THE ACTUAL TRANSCRIPT OF TONY ABBOTT’S EVIDENCE DISTRICT COURT APPEAL BY CONVICTED PAEDOPHILE PRIEST AGAINST GAOL SENTENCE. AS A
Q. You are Anthony John Abbott?
5
You live at (deleted by Chris Murphy), Forestville?
A. I do.
Q. Since 1994 you’ve been a member of the House of 10
Representatives, representing the seat of Warringah?
A. That’s correct.
Q. Prior to that, you were the Executive Director of
Australian’s for Constitutional Monarchy? 15
A. I was.
Q. And prior to that you were the press secretary and legal adviser to the then Leader of the Opposition, Dr Hewson?
A. Political adviser and press secretary. 20
Q. You first met the defendant in February 1984?
A. That’s correct.
Q. When both of you were at St Patrick’s College at Manly? 25
A. Yes.
Q. It was your intention to become a priest?
A. At that time.
30
Q. And you were/there during 1984 and 1985?
A. That’s right.
Q. As was the defendant?
A. That’s correct. 35
Q. And in 1986 you did pastoral work in the Emu Plains area?
A. That’s correct.
40
Q. And in 1987 you discontinued your training from the priesthood?
A. That’s correct.
Q. You kept up your friendship with the defendant? 45
A. From time to time, yes.
Q. And you saw him?
A. From time to time, perhaps once or twice every twelve
months. 50
Q. And you’ve kept up that friendship until this day?
A. That’s correct.
Q.
A.
the met and
First of all, how would you describe him as a man? 55
An extremely upright and virtuous man. I guess one of
things that I liked very much about John when I first him, was his maturity, intellectual, social, emotional he was, to that extent I guess, a beacon of humanity at the Seminary
N18/02/97 155 ABBOTT X
How did he appear to get on with his peers at the at Manly?
Obviously we have different relations with different 5
people. John got on extremely well with some, less well
with others. I guess one of the things that marked John out
from his peers at the seminary was he was a man with high expectations of himself and others and I can recall on
occasions being more than a little annoyed with him, 10
because, you know, he would want to bring me up to the mark,
bring me back to the path of virtue from time to time and this didn’t always go over too well with me. And I guess it could annoy others as well.
15
Q. But as far as his own conduct was concerned, did you
ever become aware of anything which would in any way question his beliefs and his dedication as a priest?
A. Never.
20
Q.• And you’ve come all the way from Sydney today to give
this evidence?
A. I have indeed.
Q. You do have other duties to perform? 25
A. I have an electorate to represent and a ministry to
assist.
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No-one’s surprised, Gez!
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Q. ”did you ever become aware of anything which would in any way question his beliefs and his dedication as a priest?”
A. Never.
I must be missing something here.
How does one know, if another person is, or isn’t, an axe murderer, or, an adulteress – if one doesn’t know?
Or, can some people read minds?
Of course some minds are so tiny, it must be hard to understand anything at all.
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When I look into the eyes of another man I can always tell if he is a good man or a fake.
I don’t have to look into your eyes. Your words, here and there, are good enough for me.
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Yes, I’m sure that you are a genius, however, the article is about Tony Abott, detecting fakes.
Perhaps he hasn’t had as much experience as you?
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You see how right I am?
You are patronizing me already!
Desperation creeps in. Oh dear!
As for Tony Abbott, he is a member of the Ruling class.
A ruling class which is not different than a ruling class a thousand years to ago.
I gotta go now .. 4-Corners is on…
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4-Corners topic: Afghanistan-war. Did you watch it?
This is a monumental stuff up of epic proportions.
Bigger than even Vietnam-war.
Now Americans are working with child-molesters pedophiles & murderers, thieves, liars and corrupt so-called officials.
Hey I would call this a * fledgling de-mock-racy * 🙂
By the way, I’m watching Q&A at the same time as I am typing this, and there is a good deal of laughter coming from the audience. Guess whom they are laughing at..!! 🙂
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Tony Abbott knew this priest, who was a pedophile, very well….Tony Abbott gave this priest , Mr Nestor, a good character reference… Why?
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Well we can add protector of paedophiles, to his violent, abusive, misogynist, bully to his list that demonstrates so clearly why he is so unfit to lead the country.
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Desperation creeps in. Oh dear.
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