The Pig’s Arms
This piece has been taken direct from the provided link. It seems a reasonable way to go forward if we still feel that the Pig’s Arms has a future.
So far the P/A has had a fairly reasonable run but the moderation has been almost non- existent. Most blogs insist on real names and do not accept language that is insulting or use expletives s.a fuck, cunt etc. It just shows lack of literacy and courtesy.
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Window Dresser's Arms, Pig & Whistle 
Anyways, I’m out for the day.
Good luck – and once again to Hung….If you want a friend, I am it.
And I still treasure and play your music.
It’s actions that speak, not empty rhetoric and false smilies 😦
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Fair enough JL but please delete those emails, they brought back terrible memories of how sick I really was. I have come a long way since then and the future is bright and you are right of course it is simley.
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Of course. I was fuming at the time and you seemed in league with hph.
Voice, told me off (privately) and I accept that it was a breach of trust. It was done on a moment of anger, because instead of the offending smut being deleted, my protests were (being deleted).
I’m moving on now and once again I apologise for my stupidity.
When I finally get to Adelaide, I want some guidance e on the best “plaice”, to get King George Whiting. I’ve heard that it one of the best fish in the world. I have only had it 2nd hand up here.
Actually, remind me to tell you about the Kingcitric fish restaurant, just outside of Dublin. I went there with some mates, on a rugby union tour and we had a meal that I would rate in my top 3, ever. Dublin Bay prawns and sole….yum, yum.
I must go and Google the kingcitric. maybe it’s still there, after 30 years ?
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http://kingsitric.ie/
Found it. It looks more modern than I remember it. Mind you we had been drinking for 3 days, staying at The Landsdowne Hotel,. near the rugby ground.
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JL, I really came in on the end of it. I haven’t blogged much at the PA’s in the last year or so and therefore didn’t know what had been said. What you did on that day is up to you. Why hph kept going on about it I have no idea.
I agree lets move on. I have come along way in the last few years and I am much more at peace with myself. Cheers mate.
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The Huffington post is the biggest blog in the world. The BBC, is one that I comment on.
There is a list of the top one hundred blogs in the world,.
Now, does anyone know if they encourage nom de guerres?
If one makes an assertion, one should know the answer, OUI?
Gerard, you are censoring my posts, please desist!
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And, of course, our good old family favourite: The ABC advises us to do it.
Why shouldn’t we do what the best do? In other words, let’s carry out best practice.
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The idea that language no matter how offensive ought to be tolerated says more about the proponent than judicious use of language. A deficit in linguistics comes to mind as well as the assumption that because one believes in rough shod riding over others that might find it offensive and do mind, it should therefor be OK. Self absorption comes to mind.
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Yes, but apologizing to an alias? A perfect example of how most blogs don’t encourage aliases, indeed some insist on real names only.
But, there is an opportunity for you Jules. Remember how Helvi and Gerard ( You used their real names) were accused of being murderers by you, Jules? We had personally murdered boat people! Somehow Helvi and I laid in wait, mid-ocean near Indonesia, ready to sail towards a refugee boat spotted on the horizon, then climb aboard and ‘murder’ refugees. Remember? You accused us personally of being murderers.
How does that stack up against naming or believing different aliases coming from the same person?
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Don’t be foolish.
It’s so absurd, as to be demeaning to anyone that is asked to believe it?
Can we just have a show of hands, as to the number of people in here that think, that I though that you and Helvi were Olympic simmers?
And can you please release my comments, including my apology to Hung?
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Remember how I urged him to apologise and then copped my own spurious murder charge by way of thanks.
I keep urging the concept. Many overstep the mark on occassions.
Specks and logs. Or specks and specks maybe.
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The alias belongs to a real person, with real feelings and real opinions.
Whats did I hear the other day? Why do we talk of boats when we mean people/
That real person perceives your comments as an attempt to avoid his opinions by denying his humanity.
He perceives other attempts to paint people as bad guys and deny their greivances as dehumanising too.
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The other attempt come from sandshoe. Didn’t want to name her but dont want anyone getting the wrong end of the stick.
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My pseud gets a mention here, sea monster. I can follow the gist of your posts here but I don’t know what the reference is about copping a murder charge or if it is related to mentioning my pseud. It looks complicated and scary. I would be a lot happier about sharing space here with you if the posts were less obscure, if I knew how many pseuds you use here at the pub and at least a little about who you are. We need some form of registration of members.
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I’m amazed. I don’t think I’ve had a single comment removed.
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I can see about 80 posts in my P.Arms folder.
I’m ‘not’ going to read them, because I said what I had to say – and Mike explained that he wasn’t aware of the comments about my family.
I’m going to follow Viv’s advice (for once) and go forward, not backward – so please ato stay around, so that can I can enjoy your off-the-cuff prose, including appropriate expletives when that Mediterranean blood surges. it is a source of joy and envy to me that you put finger to keyboard as you do.
Unfortunately Gerard, you have – in this article – highlighted ‘what you did’.
here in black and white we have your admission: Quote “I did delete two or three comments from Carisbrooke that were offensive.”
You see the dilemma?
You had a choice of how you conducted your morality (look it up).
You were asked, numerous times to take the references down.
So you had a ‘choice’ between exercising your morality in this forum and/or pandering to the urge to inflict continuous hurt on me.
You deleted the swear words ( which I sed to spotlight your duplicity) and left up the degrading insults, “inadvertently” highlighting your own moral standards, for the whole forum. it’s something that you can never undo. Just as you cannot undo the deletion of Voice’s literate criticisms, because many of us read them before you took the down.
I will not be taking any notice of your moronic imposition of rules, unless the editor and publisher request it of me.
If I get that request will not participate any further.
My final word, is a request, that I have made before:
If you have any moral fibre or honesty, apologise to Voice and Sea Mendez.
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I am checking to see if my former nomme de guerre is alive.
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It is, however, I may cash it in for a fresh one.
Of course you will know that is me, because it will have a gravatar. Possibly an updated one though.
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Well there you go Jules. Now on a matter from way way back – I’m still waiting for your risotto recipe. Any chance of getting it in time for the cooler months – say between now and May?
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“So you had a ‘choice’ between exercising your morality in this forum and/or pandering to the urge to inflict continuous hurt on me.”
Didn’t stop you from doing the same to me. Now there is a name for that.
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I was a little disappointed to see private correspondence aired.
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Yes, it was a drastic move, however, I was furious and had asked about ten times to have the offending stuff removed. Which it wasn’t
I gave due warning. In capitals, that it would be a war. You can blame Gerad that I became the moderator.
Plus, don’t be silly, the mail only repeated what you had said on line Hung. And you and Helvi, have exchanged a thousand smilies since.
SM, would not be aware that all of that was on line anyway.
However, now that the opportunity has arisen, II APOLOGISE…..And of course, on the plus side everyone can see my true thoughts and how I though – and still think of you as a friend.
You can rely on me. I am dependable and don’t change, excepting as Sea Mendez, pointed out before Christmas, I may have hardened my stance. To be honest, I think that all the insidious smilies and professions of love give me the shits! And you knew what HPH had written, yet went along with the hanging pair or something. Plus you have been – unnecessary rude to Voice. Pat of the whole factional grooming thing.
Be real, not FAUX, Hung. We understood when you let off steam.
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Thanks SM, it was private correspondence when I was suffering a severe mental health disorder and for Julian to take advantage of that has changed my view of him.
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Hung, I have written to you as Carisbrooke, however it’s stuck in “moderation”.
I have explained my view and apologised.
You could of course have criticised hph??
This is now a circular discussion.
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Thanks Jules. Made my day there (in a slightly weird way). PS: I don’t see this piece as an imposition of rules, rather bringing to everyone’s attention what they do elsewhere. At the IA it is pretty much a free for all but if something comes up which the ed decides is over the top, trolling or some such thing you find the comment has been deleted. No-one yaps on about that. They don’t whinge, moan or fling muck at the moderator/ed. 🙂
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Families are off limits Viv. And you need to digest that and acknowledge it.
I don’t know if my (private) email exchange with hung is still up, because as I said I am not going back – unless I get pissed (drunk).
You can clearly see my motives – as one could see Gerard in deleting my expletives, yet leaving up hph’s unforgivable and idiotic comments.
They are the testament. not drivel about psychopaths and boarding schoolboy behaviour, from a capitalist with pretensions of psycho-analytical powers.
So you need to stop criticising me for defending myself: ” fling muck at the moderator”. The moderator is fair game if he/she makes mistakes.
I think that Mike has explained the protocol, below, OUI?
We can all see what happened, and after me making a clean break you are niggling again?????: Now please leave it alone. I said please, Viv.
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I did not niggle at you Jules. Your comprehensions skills seem to include a lot of presumptions. I was referring to IA, full bloody stop. I have no need to digest or acknowledge your commands Jules for I never stepped over any line. I wasn’t in the Pub Saturday night and I never saw stuff go up and then taken down. I could only tell from the mess on Sunday morning that things must have been very rough. I ask that (for the third or fourth time) that everyone cease this. It’s over. Leave it. If you have taken my taken advice – go forward.
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At the IA you can edit your own comment, for a while anyone. Fixing typos is handy.
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Done it again, … anyway. Must be the heat.
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It seems you are conceding you will be one person. That would start an entire new process of helping, Carisbrooke/Jules/Panna Cotta and so on by choosing who you are and creating a persona who participates in a way that is transparent and not disturbing., that allows a development of relationship and does not deliberately confuse. If that is a joke, it doesn’t translate as funny. It is hurtful for a long time past
In regard to who is administrator…how has a situation arisen (rhetoric) that administrators do not have some sort of guidebook as assistance for what is to be deleted… and how is this a forum for arguing all these ongoing issues that are not accessible as to their meaning?
They are accusations about something. Posted on here is a lead article to consider.
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Shoe, I had to use Panna Cotta, because Gerard, deleted about ten of my posts, INSTEAD of HPh’s insults. I think that the system then blocks the poster. I am not sure. Ask the owner of the blog, or WordPress.
Are you serious in that you need a moral guide as to whether you allow insults to people’s families?
Really? I had my parents teach me!
I, in turn, taught my children.
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Carisbrooke, given you address me beginning with ‘Are you serious…’ I feel confident the meaning of the rest of the sentence and the comment you round off is clear, that you have now moved immediately into striking at my sincerity by drawing oblique reference out of my comment.
The meaning of what I am standing up for is absolutely clear. Rules are needed.
What is happening to your comments being moderated or what somebody said that was clearly distressing for you I don’t know about. Administrators must know.
The dispute that you are offering, by its structure against me but as a comment, is a waste of your energy that is more valuable surely than to pull it.
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Surely better to hang out at the real pub in town when the sad isolation all the harmful (ongoing) belittling and personality denigrating causes is why people kill themselves at the saddest and worst extreme.
Living in isolation is a slow death in life and with more seniors who are in that situation I wish you would engage on the issue the pub has to have some rules, every one of you, so the environment is managed.
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Shoe;
Thank goodness for rays of light. What is the point of moderating if moderating is being moderated.
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Gez, thank you and with opportunity to address you directly here I am going to beg you to hold onto your inner strength as you have begun here and continue in the manner this was begun so admirably…and not risk arguing the toss with trouble making that is extraneous to the issue the pub needs rules. You have given me advice on other pages and hang in on the central issue. You are doing so well. Thank you for it.
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Thanks Shoe. Much appreciated.
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Well said shoe. I with you on this one.
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Hung, thank you for your own clarity around this subject …not that I haven’t noticed your ability with thought. I take this opportunity as well to say I understand and appreciate you are back.
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Thanks shoe. Yes the old me was horrible, drunk, angry and in pain. I lashed out and Mike kicked me out, fair enough too. I glad I’m back and in much better health. Thanks mate.
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Still arguing the toss.
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Where on this blog do you see the word “Conversation” Gez?
Where on this blog do you see any hint that it is a news medium?
I have made myself one of its patrons because I thought that the words The Home Pub of the Famous Pink Drinks and Trotter’s Ale meant that I was patronising a pub. A happy pub where, like most aussie pubs, things could get a bit rowdy, after a drink or two and that its day would proffer some good banter, some good singing, some good racing tips.
I entered it with reverence and with love for the aussie sense of camaraderie and humour and hoped that I could mingle or not, as I wished.
A pub where everyone is above the legal age.
A pub that is run by a publican who knows his drinkers, their ways, their limitations, their social challenges.
A pub which served unpretentious drinks and unpretentious fodder.
That is a totally different establishment to The Conversation, from which you took the “rules” which is a place where such luminaries like Maxine McKew, Graeme Orr and Michelle Grattan contribute. That is not a pub, gez. It is a very serious and very straight news medium! Excellent at what it does but it does not serve drinks.
The Window Dresser’s Arms, Pig & Whistle -this blog, is a PUB! An aussie pub!
And you know fuck all about running pubs, gez!
Fuck all!
You know what the phrase means and if you don’t, I suggest you learn some aussie vernacular, the language of the people, of the pub.
It’s one of the most frequently heard phrases in our unique pubs. It’s a pleasure to hear it –in a pub, and it is a phrase that fills one’s soul with gratitude that it exists! It tells one, unequivocally, that one is inside an aussie pub! It’s what identifies and distinguishes an aussie pub from all the other pubs on the planet.
Pubs don’t have dictators, they have publicans and when I first came through its front door I saw the smiling face of an aussie publican. I stayed until you took over. I tried to stay as long as I could after that but dictatorship in a pub is like a fox in a chook house. It doesn’t take long before it becomes a chook house without chooks.
To my mind, this is where this pub is heading, so, for the second and very last time, I’m fucking off! I shall miss my mates but, I’m fucking off!
Enjoy!
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Well, atomou. The rowdiness did not work, did it? It never does. Most pubs have some rules.
I look at the above photo of the Pig’s Arms and all seem to be having a good time. The days of pubs where pissing, bashings or vomiting against each other are over.
Why is ‘Gerard’ the sole arbiter of moderating? Carisbrooke slanging match about the old funeral lament and HpH could have been tackled by Voice just as well. I know that Emmjay is very busy and I understand his unawareness of 24/7 on the P/A.
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Yes, I think if any patron stood on the bar and pissed all over it he should be thrown out pronto. Not banned, just tossed out for the rest of the night/day.
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Now you claim to be the sole arbiter of moderating? Sure, that’s what you were doing when you secretly deleted comments you didn’t like. Moderating. Apparently though you’re totally down with pissing all over someone’s behaviour at their mother’s funeral. I shudder to think what offense Carisbrooke committed that was worse than that? Dare I ask, or are some things so vile we just have to be protected from them?
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Ato – please don’t go. You’re a grown up and you’re being a bit silly. Have your comprehension skills temporary gone awol? The cut and paste above is a good guide, especially the bit about ‘being misunderstood’. Now, cool off and come back and bring your sense of humour with you please. Please.
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So long, atomou. It’s a shame. Places go downhill, people move on.
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Poor old hph. Just came here looking for friends. I recall his first tentative approach here. Looking back at yesterday’s events. A whole bunch of smarter people with more robust egos turned on him.
The phrase cannon fodder comes to mind. Pity he didn’t find any true friends who could have advised him deceased mothers were off limits.
Another sucker sacrificed to a ‘greater cause’.
I’m tempted to follow Ato. out. Oosterman love fests are tedious. Oh you’re so clever! Oh you’re so sweet!
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Not sure I support much of what I read here. Nobody was “sacrificed”. Surely it is self-evident that commenting in any way other than gentle support for a bereaved person is not the way to go.
If couples want to smoodge in the pub, it might be a bit naff, but it costs nobody an arm and a leg. I suggest ignoring it.
If patrons of the Pigs want a lively, interesting place to hang out, perhaps making a contributed piece instead of a litany of whiny sniping and complaints would be a step in the right direction.
If people want to walk out in a huff, that’s their prerogative. It’s a pub. It’s not a crèche.
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Fair points. I just don’t have the time to write.
Let me refine my love-fest comment. Go crazy! Have your love fests. My point is about wall to wall love fests. And my (possibly paranoid) perception that people who don’t join in are pressured to leave. As I’ve made clear from my initial forays here that may be entirely appropriate. Its not my place.
As to snipy comments (I reject whiny) I would argue I’m subjected to them too. There’s a constant sub-text that I am Voice and that she is a sociopath. Perhaps I’m being paranoid again. But the impulse is to return fire.
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I might add the double standard pisses me off. Voice, Jules,and I are chastised and painted as lacking normal humam feelings. But others can perform any act of bastardry and pretend they’re as pure as the driven snow.
Yes. My comment was snipey! I agree. Its so bloody easy to say.
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Stay put SM. Rise above a bit of biff. I’ve never accused anyone of being some other person. I’m not into that. I’ve had a lot of rot and insults from Jules and if I can take that without batting an eyelid then it seems to me that some others are a bit too precious. In the meantime we should all try a bit harder to be clear and a bit more polite. That’s all. Don’t go. Stay.
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Pejorative comparisons are not helping anybody either. Cruel lack of acknowledgement of how devious behaviour affects people offline or online simply has to be one thing and ongoing belittling…cruel. References to someone being someone else were dropped. They were frank and open expressions of frustration. But allowed to stand by the lack of a straight forward registration method by which we prettty well know who we are conversing with.
I endured many months when I began here of people changing their names and toying with conversation and eventually made a simple and straight forward comment about my being uncomfortable about that from a viewpoint of others who would not commit themselves to learning the ropes of the pub, certainly not regards who is who. How simple these matters have to be discussed without all this (ongoing) trivialising and belittling.
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Nailed it Emm, It is indeed a pub, not a play centre.
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Well that clarifies a couple of things.
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I wonder why they don’t have a rule about someone who’s been given Administrator privileges to help out, abusing those privileges to secretly delete comments by people he’s having a petulant vendetta against and then putting up an article about how OTHER people should behave.
Hang on, I know. It just never occurred to them that would happen.
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” for having a pleasant, mirthful or enlightening off-topic discussion.
It’s not for personal abuse of other commenters.
Please do that somewhere else if you must.
Play nicely or piss off.
NB: Being tiresome and boring, racist, sexist or just plain creepy is not playing nicely.”
Voice,
As you pointed out, I have Administrating and moderating privileges as have you and Mike Jones. I did delete two or three comments from Carisbrooke that were offensive. As for this being done secretly, how would you like it; with a drum roll, full orchestra or what?
As for Carisbrooke being banned, that was not me. Perhaps it was you but more likely Emmjay.
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Yes, it was you who blocked Carisbrooke. Indirectly. But it’s quite possible,indeed likely, you don’t understand enough about what you’re doing to know that when you sent about ten (not two or three) comments to spam, that was going to be the result.
Offensive to whom exactly? Who complained?
How would I like it to be done? I DON”T like it being done. Secretly or otherwise.
Secretly definitely makes it worse though.
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No, I did NOT block Carisbrooke. I deleted a couple that were offensive but gave up after ten minutes when he kept up repeating the same boring offensive messages. Get your facts right. You VOICE are a moderator why did YOU not heed Carisbrooke’s plea to remove remarks about his mother’s funeral. You were there very busy flaming and egging it on. Why?
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Yep, you indirectly blocked him. Although as I already said, I’m ready to believe you didn’t know enough about what you were doing when you sent about 10 (not a couple) of his comments to spam to understand that would be the result.
Asked and answered why I didn’t delete hph’s comments. I also informed Julian personally by email.
Sure I flamed and egged on hph? You made it up.
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You guys have got emails between you. I now understand the mental scape source of the material directed at me by Jules that I was colluding with Gez and we were arranging etcetera etcetera…
We need a dramatic change of behaviour among administrators but including now specifically that administrators do not conduct their important job that they bring all this material to here in this retrospect to screw up this lead article and discussion about how to manage the pub.
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The administrators can see everyone’s email, sandshoe.
The person who posted this material about how to manage the pub has several times deleted comments he didn’t like by people he doesn’t like. It’s been done secretly, with no warning and no explanation. Comments by people who praise him are never deleted regardless of their content.
IMO this is very much an issue to air publicly at a time when pub management is being discussed.
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Voice, your suggestion to me has information in it of ultimate surely importance. Let me get this straight. Administrators can see everybody’s email?
What relevance does this have … and your airing of your privileged information …to bring this content now into a public forum because Gez posted the example of rules.
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“Administrators can see everybody’s email” was a response to your “You guys have got emails between you”. Clarifying the situation you mentioned. Nothing whatsover to do with rules.
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Everything that people write is relevant, Shoe. And this is an article inviting discussion
Although, I have 5 harmless comments awaiting moderation
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The question about bringing it out in the open that comments are being secretly deleted, and doing it on this article in particular, I answered here February 3, 2014 at 12:26 pm.
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Voice; I do not understand what you mean by ‘administrators can see everybody’s emails’. What does your statement mean. What emails?
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You are right sandshoe. Administrators can see everyones’ email ADDRESS; the one they enter with their comments. That’s why Julian knew you could be emailed by an admin.
Important distinction and I’m glad you cleared it up.
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Carisbrooke: mischief making is communicating in a way that continues a thread of dispute so that it is the equivalent of keeping a saucepan on the boil until the pan boils dry and the saucepan is ruined.
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Very many thanks, Voice. I was lost to understand what was being discussed regarding everybody’s emails. Voice, I am lost regarding what is being discussed and the relevance of seeing the emails and deleting comments etc. I am sorry. That is why administrators need to be discussing with the relvant party/committee or whoever their beef.
To clarify; why that is not obvious to me that Jules (third party) would think there was communication between me and anybody and plotting. It’s not my mindscape.
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Isn’t that what you are doing shoe?
Julian
Sorry, my comments are getting stuck in moderation – so my conversation is an hour behind yours. (and that’s why I’m using panna cotta)
If you stop stirring it up, shoe, I am sure that it will go back to normal.
Normal, is also letting off steam in this blog.
I have still not noticed, you helvi, or gerad condemn the abuse of my family.
having said that, I did cremate all of the 80 odd posts in my P.Arms’ folder, so maybe you did, and I missed it.
I am sure that you must despise that sort of behaviour?
So if you did condemn the abuse, I apologise.
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“The person who posted this material about how to manage the pub has several times deleted comments he didn’t like by people he doesn’t like. It’s been done secretly, with no warning and no explanation. Comments by people who praise him are never deleted regardless of their content.
IMO this is very much an issue to air publicly at a time when pub management is being discussed.”
I think that’s easy to understand, but I wrote it. It’s hard to critique your own writing.
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Carisbrooke, I was delayed. My apologies. Carisbrooke, I don’t know what comments were made about your family. If you have been offended by someone saying something about your family, I am sorry to think of any hurt.
In regards to your expectation of me and I have fallen short, I am helpless in this reference. I don’t know anything about this in regards to your family.
Voice. I reckon maybe your overestimating what I know or not understanding. Surely there are rules about how far out from an incident you throw open accusations to the public of wrong doing by anybody and how to attend to that. That needs to be reviewed.
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A rule book at that level would be unworkable IMHO. But we are talking about re-offending over a period of months, not a first time offence. What do you want me to do? Just leave the speculation that insufficient time might have elapsed unanswered? Or reveal more information you said you don’t want to know about?
You might consider not speculating, then it’s less likely you’ll find out something you don’t want to know.
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Voice, if this comment is for me, by way of decent response. What I have learned that I didn’t want to know escapes me, Voice. Beyond me and that is OK. I do understand what you were telling me about emails that it was email addresses you meant. Thank you for your time here Voice.
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All yours, gerard! Take it away man!
Good bye folks!
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Haven’t you gone yet? 🙂
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The continuous silly ranting, the snide remarks, the tete a tete conversations, the innuendo and rough insensitive language, has made many leave this blog after just a single visit. We need good moderation. I totally agree with whoever removed Carisbrook. It was just a totally incomprehensible and thoughtless jumble of accusations. I can’t see how all that added anything meaningful to an exchange of ideas or a reasonable conversation.
There seems to be a culture of waiting in the dark hopeful to attack contributors personally rather than debate issues. The attackers rarely come with articles or own opinions. They react rather than initiate discussion.
Thank goodness again for Algy and his musical selection. I hope that those so critical of the lack of ‘intellectual’ content and ‘vigorous’ debate on arts, music and literature will support his tireless devotion to his traditional weekly offering.
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Tete a tete conversations! Do you think Emmjay knows about this behaviour? No doubt he’d be as appalled as I am.
Apparently there has even been innuendo, about which once again I feel sure Emmjay would be as appalled as I.
And that Carisbrooke character. Of course as you just said, nobody wants to attack contributors. But you said just before that, when someone responds to a few comments about his mother’s funeral with a thoughtless jumble of accusations that add nothing meaningful to an exchange of ideas, he should be removed forthwith. That I find confusing.
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Voice;
I am not always here. You seem to be here more often. You have just as much moderating facility as me or Emmjay.
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Obviously you were here Saturday night to delete Carisbrooke’s comments. It ebbs and flows how often I’m here.
Regardless – if you think I’m going to use my Administrator rights to remove other people’s comments without explicit permission from the blog owner, think again. It’s absolutely ground rule ethics.
And obviously you were here a few days earlier when you secretly removed one of atomou’s comments. Which I didn’t mention here at the public bar because brawling in public isn’t my first choice.
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You’re approach and revelation in this way is so not appropriate Voice. The pub needs some rules. One rule might be that you take this row where it needs to go. I think you’re frightening the horses how much power you have. Power is having bold type as a commenter that you can impress me for one. With how out of control this is.
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To Voice – Sandshoe is right. Keep this within the ‘executive’ – it’s not for general membership to see. Comeback with the agreed resolution. Until then, please give it more thought before you hit the keyboard and post comment.
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As I’ve already said, public brawls are not my first choice. But my first choice didn’t result in any changes, and now is when pub management is up for public discussion.
You prefer not to know people’s comments are being secretly deleted? Look, personally if I wasn’t an administrator I’d be more worried about that than bold type, but in any case:
If you want to use bold type, precede the text with a left hand angle bracket, followed by a b, followed by a right hand angle bracket, then follow the text with the same thing but with a slash in front of the b.
It’s a bit tricky to show this (if I just type what I’ve said, it won’t show, it will just bold my text) but I’ll have a go. If I make a mistake I’ll use my administrator privileges to fix it. That’s ethical use of admin privileges. So is bolding. Secretly deleting other people’s comments isn’t.
<b>How to bold</b>
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Voice, Vivienne worded the gist of what is right (and not wrong) in her comment following my contribution. Your explosion of this material remains inappropriate. Vivienne kindly suggested you give yourself time to think before you comment. Her intention is to help us, Voice. Please to take five before you expand any more on why you are pursuing this approach.
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Good advice indeed, sandshoe, and I recommend it. I have said what needs to be said. Expansion is not needed.
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Well said.
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I have read it in PA E-mail, thanks Gez for identifying a text to upload for reading.
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