By David L Rowlands
(This article was first offered to the ABC for publication in response to
Joel Hodge’s latest article, “Christianity can teach us the meaning
of life”. As Aunty has apparently declined to publish it, I have
decided to publish it here instead; and also at Astyages’s Weblog.)
This article is a direct response to Joel Hodge’s latest article on the
Drum/Unleashed. It seems to me that he should not be allowed to get
away with using the ABC to preach a lot of immediately observable and
easily disputable falsehoods.
As someone in the comments section to his article has already pointed
out, the upshot of this article appears to be “Okay, chaplains have
been caught out preaching and proselytizing in direct contravention
of the guidelines; so what, it’s probably good for you…”
It is apparently impossible even for Joel to imagine that atheists might
actually have every right not only to be atheists, but also to bring
their children up as atheists if they so choose. Part of this right
is the ability to send their children to a supposedly secular state
school without fear that their children will be exposed to preaching
and proselytizing by arrogant and self-serving religions.
Joel also appears, when it suits him, to think that all ‘beliefs’ are of
equal value; suggesting that scientific conclusions and discoveries
made with the use of logic and reason are somehow of equal value to
fairy stories about sky-pixies and the like; that metaphysical
suppositions about an imagined life after death are somehow equal to
scientific theories formulated after much empirical observation and
reasoned analysis; that magical rituals like cannibalistic human
sacrifices are somehow as efficacious as scientific processes.
Then, using this supposed equivalence as the basis of his argument that
christianity – and only christianity – should be taught in schools, because, as he puts it in his title, “Religious education can help uncover the meaning of
life…”
Now, Joel evidently also feels that christianity is not only the sole
perspective capable of delivering the ‘meaning of life’, but that it
is completely adequate to the task, though he himself, however,
declines to actually enlighten us as to what he feels the ‘meaning of
life’ to be’.
As soon as I realized this, the thought occurred to me that if I could
therefore find just one single lesson in life (and spiritual growth),
that christianity was simply not capable of teaching, then this would
serve to defeat the pitiful argument he uses to explain why it should
be that christianity – and only christianity – is allowed to break such protective guidelines in order to gain free and unfettered access to our children’s minds;
often in spite of the expressed wishes of parents.
I didn’t have to think very hard about it at all; indeed the answer
came to me as immediately obvious:
There is one lesson, taught by many ancient Greek traditions, that could
never be taught by christianity: that the only people who are actually worth
‘saving’, in any sense of the word, are those who have the kind of
courage it takes to defy the very gods themselves. This is the inner
meaning of Homer’s Odyssey. Odysseus steals Zeus’ cattle and injures
Poseidon’s son, the Cyclops, Polyphemus. It is for these reasons that
Odysseus is made to wander for another ten years before he finally
arrives home, more in spite of the opposition of the gods, than as
the result of their help.
Another god who is traditionally defied in several of the greek epics is
Hades, the god of death. Following the tradition established by the
Sumerian legend of Gilgamesh, Orpheus, Heracles, and Odysseus all
descend into the underworld only to return to life again after
completing their respective missions in the underworld. Again the
message is that true heroism requires one to have the kind of courage
which will defy not only death itself, but even the god of death…
Christianity, with its omnipresent fear of death and the twin psychological levers
it derives from this fear (the carrot and stick it calls heaven and
hell) cannot possibly teach this; to be unafraid of dying is
something they fear to cultivate within the hearts of their believers
because christianity depends on that very fear as its means of social control. This is also why the early christians embellished on the Greek notions of ‘Tartarus’ in
order to create ‘Hell’ and thus make death even more scarey.
A third god, or rather, goddess, who is defied is Calypso. That Odysseus
declines her offer of immortality (ie. ‘godhood’) and insists on
returning to his human wife, Penelope, is particularly significant:
Here Homer is telling us that it is humanity that human beings should strive to achieve; not godhood; another lesson christianity is incapable of teaching.
The ultimate lesson in all these stories tells us that there are times
when, not only is it necessary to defy the gods, but when any other
path will lead to destruction; when only defiance of the gods will suffice…
And, just as it is only when a teenage boy finally learns to start to stand up to his father and defend himself and his opinions against the dictates of someone who
has thus far been a godlike figure, in order to assert his own will,
that the teenager finally ‘grows up’ into full manhood, just so the
Greek heroes show us that it is only when we learn to stand up to our
gods that we achieve our full humanity.
This is something that christianity is fundamentally incapable of teaching
because it is anathema to them. The same god who can even get his
followers to find any and every possible excuse for why he allows the
continuation of evil in this world, cannot be allowed to be defied,
for fear of limiting, and hence disproving his omnipotence. Of
course, since this lesson is one thing the christian god can’t teach,
this lesson itself disproves that omnipotence; if Epicurus’ famous
formulation has not already dispensed with it perfectly adequately.
But even though I have just proven that there is at least one lesson that
christianity is totally incapable of teaching (in fact, I’ve given
three examples!), there is a much more powerful argument for keeping
religion out of our state schools: the right of atheistic parents to
send their kids to a secular school for a secular education without
any fear that they are going to be proselytized at by mind-benders
who make a virtue of dispensing with reason and logic and teach
children to do the same. Christians demand their right to freedom of
religion; fine! Let them have it… there are already plenty of
schools where they can send their kids if they think schools ought to
support their religion; but give us atheists and agnostics our
freedom from religion.
Or do atheists have no rights at all?
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“Christianity can teach us the ‘meaning
of life”.
So can Terry Jones.
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Or Terry Pratchett!
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I love that Mombassa painting , it’s so much more enjoyable than the same old pictures they put up on the Drum, the long-nosed Juliar and/ or the sneering face of Abbott. Have they run out of photos too…?
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It’s a beaut isn’t it Helvi? I particularly love the way the ‘apple’ has morphed into an electric toaster!
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It’s only rivalled by ‘The Australian Jesus’!
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Dammit! Just noticed an error: the ‘third god’ who is defied is ‘Calypso’, not Circe… (although it is also true that even Circe is rejected by Odysseus!) Does anyone with access to the administrator’s account at wordpress have a moment to edit this for me, please? Thank you in advance…
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Here, here.
While I can say I genuinely enjoyed “scripture” when I was a lad, I think it was more for the yarns than any desire to follow the One True Path. There was significant moral content and I’m sure it did its job on my young mind but somehow the concomitant working of the spirit never got a grip on me.
I cannot once in my life ever remember feeling like god was in the house; so just for fun, and once again, I’ll recall Laplace who, when asked by Napoleon why there was no mention of God in a new cosmology that Laplace was preparing, replied, “I had no need of that hypothesis.”
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Laplace was right Warrigal! Though I must say I’ve always loved all the bible stories… it’s the interpretation of them that has always bugged me!
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I do my best to not comment on any religious pieces as it only encourages the buggers.
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A noble attitude, Vivienne, but as an anthropologist (albeit a suppressed one!) I kinda feel a duty to put forward some kind of counter to the truckloads of bovine byproducts (and I don’t mean milk, cheese or meat!) that christians are appently allowed to spray us all with!
For me it is the politicaly blogs I try not to comment on… (emphasis on the word ‘try’…)
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I completely understand where you are coming from.
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What is God, anyway?
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God is a good baklava. Heaven includes an ouzo, a greek coffee, a couple of good mates, a deep and meaningful conversation about the meaning of god…
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… whilst also dangling a piece of fishing line and ‘teaching pet worms to swim’…
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The sad thing is that the indoctrination is just insidious.
Abuse really.
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Yes VL… from my own experience I can say that catholicism in particular is a moral, mental, physical, psychological, spiritual and emotional abuse.
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Nice piece DLR especially the subtle mention of Gilgamesh inferring that secular and Christian educational services should focus on cricket rather then an imaginary being that will one day come out of the sky and solve the riddle to life the universe and everything which we already now thanks to Douglas Adams is 42.
As a victim of a catholic school education I wouldn’t wish it upon anyone really. Lots of discrimination, faith and kinky priests.
I don’t support my taxes propping up schools that a built around mythology however I do believe that if you want religion you will go and find it. It draws a parallel with drugs. I often tell the Jehovah Witnesses when they knock on my door to fuck off and if I ever am stupid enough to desire religion then I will come looking for you. Till that time I will remain a happy non believer who has consciously witnessed the marvels of the universe. If I am wrong and God is waiting at the pearly gates for me, my answer to non belief is that I simply took in the data and made a reasonable assumption to which God replies “Come in my son”
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Hungsie, what if if it’s not god but Mr Lucifer waiting for you at the brimstone gate with a hot poker and a cheesy smile, ey? What then, ey? What then, boy? You’ll be sorry, then, won’t you? Repent boy! REPENT, I say to thee for the day of Judgement has already passed once and it shall come again on 21st of October, yeae, verily, this very year!
REPENT all ye sinners for the hot poker is awaiting ye!
(cue in: sarcastic laughter) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
No wonder they didn’t publish your piece, Asty! You’ve frightened all the ABC staff to hell!
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LOL! Can’t stop laughing ato, thanks 🙂
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Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of blokes, Ato!
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I feel pretty much the same way myself, Hung… Thank you for your support.
I shall wear it always!
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I’ve made my pact 🙂
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What’s your returns policy? 👿
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A picture.
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Not ANOTHER one? That’s what you asked for when I took this damned soul off you in the first place! 👿
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Ok Ok cool down (ha ha0. This is the point where one should be able to add a smiley. You know like the faces that they have on Skype. There’s on for every occasion.
A little devil with horns on would be good..Hang on I’ll try to cut and paste.
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(devil)..Oh blast just the word came out.
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This soul keeps singing “You’ve gotta serve somebody” while looking at it’s ponytail in the mirror. I think it’s after my job. 👿
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Show off!
Now, back to work.
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Astyages, excellent article. I think that is the reason why it did not make it to ABC.
They say that the articles have to be more news driven than before,yet they publish stories that are not news driven.
The Slutwalk has got three or four articles dedicated to it, and even ‘planking’ is seen worthwhile to be written about.
Just your surname, ‘Rowlands’ ,ought to have secured you a spot on the Drum 🙂
Don’t give up, your lesser stories might be more successful (not that I think you have any ‘lesser’ ones.
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My surname, Helvi?
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A great article Asty and the ABC’s Drum readers poorer for not having had the benefit of your well argued opinion. I could fill an entire bookshelf with rejected articles. It is the norm not the exception.
The grating part is that one hardly ever gets a response. It’s their modus operandi.
Emmjay. A curse on state schools for not having the special needs satisfied for all students. They talk and talk and plot and plot, put in this scheme or that one, they measure and print pamphlets but refuse to go to Finland or many other places where they just have the one simple form of education with well paid and well, (master-degree minimum) educated teachers of a standing above that of lawyers or doctors.
The ‘Economist’ is right. Australian politics nothing but a”Punch and Judy show”.
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I’ve never had any rejected Gerard.
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VL, are you perhaps writing under pseudonym ‘Ted Lapkin’ ?
I saw him on Jenny Brockie’s show, and I have to say you two look alike 🙂
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Being an English gentleman, I’ll have to refrain from returning the insult Helvi.
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The ‘Economist’ is a plagiarist, Gerard! I first started to describe not only Australian politics, but western democracy as a whole, as a ‘Punch’n’Judy’ show ages ago on the Drum. No wonder a poor struggling writer like yours truly can’t make a quid! To publish ideas on the Drum is easy enough but to get into the ‘Economist’ you need to be an established plagiar… I mean, established journalist!
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Sure, we do have rights. FM and I have the right to send Tim the Cabin boy to a Roman Catholic school – despite the fact that he insists that the bible is bull – and he tells them so. But, being Christian Christians, they accept him because they can and do provide the kind of special needs learning support that he needs – at a price we can afford – when the local secular state school was not able to protect him and nurture his studies.
As an atheist, I think the thing that makes atheists, agnostics, Christians, as well as other religious people great in my eyes – and hopefully also in the eyes of their imaginary Gods – is the good that people do rather than anything they say.
It’s late, Moses. Take two tablets and see me in the morning 🙂
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Geez, Emmjay, still up at two on a Friday morning!
I agree, is the ‘goodness’ that Christians (or Muslims, calathumpians or Isians) any better than the goodness of atheists, agnostics, or even satanists?
Is it better goodness because it was practiced under the notion of a future heavenly reward, or just because one believes that it is better to do good rather than harm with no promise of any heavenly payback?
Nicely written, a pity it didn’t get a look in over at Aunty’s!
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Important point, Big – motivation. Selflessness – the only true motivator ? Probably. And the really excellent satisfaction in a gift freely given.
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As you say, Emmjay, deeds are far more important than words… and I do hope you will note that I have never said or implied that christians or the followers of any other religion should not have the right or ability to bring their kids up as they choose; let them teach whatever twaddle they want to in their own schools (just so long as it doesn’t incite violence or hatred!)
All I’m asking for is public recognition of the same right for atheists…
Remember, there WERE very good reasons for the guidelines… although I’m really not at all sure there were very good reasons for putting ‘chaplains’ into state schools in the first place; if counsellors are needed they should be trained professionals… or would you trust your kids’ psychological health to a bunch of amateurs, however well-meaning?
This ‘chaplains’ program is really just indoctrination by stealth.
And, of course, I think it is quite appalling that state schools are not sufficiently funded to be able to offer similar services… but whose fault is that, when funds for necessities at state schools are siphoned off to fund luxuries at private schools? (Not that the kind of treatment Tim receives is a ‘luxury’ of course, though if only private schools can afford to provide them, this would seem to indicate that our society as a whole would seem to think of it as such…)
Anyway… gotta go and find something to feed my face with now; hope Moses’ headache is better.
Please pass on my best wishes to Tim and First Mate, won’t you…
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Thank you, T2. I will indeed pass on your best wishes.
As many of our other friends have said, it IS a well written piece, and I very much agree that the chaplain program is a covert attempt by the minions of the former Howard rodent government to indoctrinate by stealth.
Have you thought of sending pieces to Crikey or New Matilda as alternatives to the ABC ? They’re probably broke, but at least they might bring more readership.
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No, I hadn’t thought of that, Emmjay… In fact this was the first piece I’ve attempted to publish at the Drum. Maybe I’ll give it a try next time I find myself stirred into action…
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