The Dump is:
For posting comments that don’t get up at the Drum, and for having a pleasant, mirthful or enlightening off-topic discussion.
It’s not for personal abuse of other commenters.
Please do that somewhere else if you must.
Play nicely or piss off.
However, why doesn’t a poster add a link for us to read and comment on here, much quicker. Maybe we can do a bit more bagging here, not that I speak for the moderators, yet.
NB: Being tiresome and boring, racist, sexist or just plain creepy is not playing nicely.
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The Pig’s Arms exists because a dozen or so years ago our other favourite playpen – the ABC’s Unleashed blogsphere started to go off. Like a sack of prawn heads in the sun. Something had to be done.
Moderation was taking forever. Comments seemed to be rejected randomly – outrageous ones appeared and reasoned ones were pinged. When they released the Drum / Unleashed ….. things actually got worse !
So many pieces from professional writers appear with no obvious merit. And the moderation has become, to put it frankly, appalling.
As a former contributor and a commenter, I was deeply disappointed at the plummeting quality from our pre-eminent media empire. And I resented so many challenging or dare I say, witty or funny posts in which we’ve invested seconds of our precious time – getting the chop.
So here, for all our benefit – is an open slather blog. Copy and paste your best rejected comments here for posterity. Does not matter whether you’re posting on the Guardian, First Dog on the Moon or wherever else.
And sprinkle pointers to the Pig’s Arms amongst your comments. Let’s try to rescue some of the old faithful.
Cheers,
Emm.
Window Dresser's Arms, Pig & Whistle 
Gee selective moderation annoys me. The article on Breast cancer, they let my after thought through but not my main post, bloody terrible.
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Brain not in gear in the mods’ office.
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Terrible Viv. I said that the story is tragic but come and work with me, there is lots of tragedy.
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Bill Bored:
02 May 2014 6:16:50pm
Redfish, tell that to the forestry and mining workers that are killed by the hundreds each year but you can’t score political points from their deaths. You are simply, like many on this site, an ill informed hypocrite.
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Algernon:
02 May 2014 6:18:25pm
Redfish, the negligence and the work place deaths rests wholly with the company that employed those that died, not the government. Natural I suppose someone has to be to blame so it must be the government.
Hey Ace, we is firing.
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Don’t think we’ve tag teamed like that for a while, Hung
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The didn’t let one get up in that string
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Like the old days Ace
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Aunty Social:
02 May 2014 6:21:14pm
“Pink Batts wasn’t as bad as what bloggers make out.”
Four seperate Coroner’s Inquiries support that statement.
People like Rusty just don’t get that the installation of household insulation is unregulated. Anyone with the ability to purchase the stuff from a hardware store is allowed to stuff it into their roofspace without any qualifications whatsoever. It’s a DIY job. End of story.
The placing of live electrical cabling above joists in a cieling is a breach of Australain Standards. If someone puts a metal staple through a live wire that shouldn’t be there the consequences are the sole fault of the electrician that did the wiring, and not Peter Garrett’s, Kevin Rudd’s, nor anyone elses who didn’t wire the house.
Employers have a duty of care to their workers. If an employer doesn’t know that he has a worker of limited mental capacity in a roofspace on a very hot day, and the worker tragically dies of heat exhaustion it’s the bosses fault, and not Peter Garrett’s, or Kevin Rudd’s fault.
Those not knowing these facts is one thing. Those like Tony Abbott, his cronies, and supporters like Rusty, who choose wilful ignorance for political gain is another thing entirely. Accusing people of killing other people after four coroners have already reviewded these cases speaks volumes on the characters of the accusers.
Well said Aunty Social. To be honest I am sick of ring wingers that want to make political mileage out of the batts program. Enough is enough.
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The right wingers who parrot the same line might find that there continuous burping of the same old same old might fall on deaf ears soon. I’ve noticed in the MSM this week that the word trust (lack of) and Liberal are being used in the same sentence. Only 8 months after an election.
I note the first person being called to the RC into unions is none other than Adolfs mate Kathy Jackson and her name all over a series of bank accounts.
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Exactly. And all this shit coming out that so and so warned Garrett/Rudd of dangers is still just crap. The dangers were always there. People tragically still get killed doing their work on a construction site, in a mine or building a road.
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The rate of injury/death/house fires, per 1000 installations, during the government insulation scheme was actually lower than the previous time period. The Labor government should have been using these statistics in their own defence.
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I know. As always they didn’t defend themselves or got drowned out.
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That’s probably the nub of it Big. The should have used the figures. Labor couldn’t sell ice to Eskimos during their time in government. Yet Adolf was allowed to get away with lie after lie. Labor allowed him to get away with it to their own detriment.
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I’d have made it a trio if I was still online. I still turn computer off at 5 or 5.30 at the latest. But half my stuff didn’t get up yesterday so who knows. I was there in spirit.
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7 blogs at the drum, struth couldn’t the hold some over for tomorrow
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Exactly. By the time we can comment they will all be closed except for custard and Rusty.
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And Ben the boofhead or Alfie the parrot. 7 again today I see.
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Ben really can’t be a lawyer. I have made a couple of comments but they haven’t got through. Now Alfie, no hope there.
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Not a Lawyers bootlace. Maybe he’s a bush Lawyer. Alfie seems to have not much between the ears. One line parroting and not a clue.
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Hung – most of them aren’t ‘real’. There is also Peter the Lawyer. Both are way up their own bums and there isn’t anything there.
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The PA crew are doing well for a Friday PM, Bill, Algy and Olive, even the unnameable one got up
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Were even able to have a conversation on one of them Hung
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Can’t see this getting up either
Bill Bored: You chipinga personify hypocrisy. These poor desperate folk that you so desperately don’t want here are no longer drowning at sea. You mate and your ilk are nothing but an absolute joke.
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Last week Coogera was hocking the Drum, yesterday I saw mainly Tator, and the one who always jumps on me Zing, and Gez’ enemy reaver…rats in packs.
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Which article is that on Hung.
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Hi Hung – is it just me or are the comments on various Drum articles getting loonier by the day/week. The same insane rants turning a discussion about beef into anti climate change garbage commentary. The fantatical defense of anything Abbott & Co even when it is in direct contradition to what they said last year (the comments). I’m finding it hard to get a clear way in amongst these nutters. And the bloody mods start off okay for a while in the morning, go off for a 2 to 4 hour break – the thread is left hanging and then it might appear the next morning when the whole thing is closed anyway.
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I agree wholeheartedly Viv. Once upon a time you could have conversations with folk, now virtually impossible. Me and Algernon and the unnamable used to talk regularly along with the Jones boy and Oostermans.
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Exactly. I’ve put a couple of response comments up and the bloody things are not posted. One I made well after has gone up. So I assume my very good response has gone into the dustbin. It rebutted that shit John1. I might be getting paranoid but I think someone has it in for me sometimes !!
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Saw you got first up on the Fraser blog. Saw Ben the boofhead goes straight for the throat.
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Yeah good old Bill Bored got quite a reaction. 🙂
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Can’t see this getting up on the race laws page
Bill Bored: Be like me, hate everyone equally, no problems at all.
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It got up. I found it.
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No one bit Viv but I am truly surprised
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Gee Viv. We got a few in this morning.
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Yes and then they did their usual – posts not going up, going up out of order and nothing happening. Doing a bit of burning orff here. Hubby set fire to fallen twigs, branches and prunings etc. Farmer over the road did the big paddock burn off yesterday – not nearly as spectacular as the one I posted photos of. He lit it an hour earlier.
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I know I’m Labor but c’mon, enough is enough.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-28/new-icac-hearing-begins-liberal-party-nsw-eightbyfive/5414892
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Mummys boy got a mention today Hung, there is so much more to come out here. Don’t think this new Premier will even make it to the next election.
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Algy – I always get confused. When you post on the Drum you aren’t the capital A Algernon who is a church warden are you?
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I am the capital A vivienne and I was I haven’t been a Warden for about 7-8 years, The little a algernon seems to drop the odd post, mostly extreme right wing rubbish and stuff I’d amp up about rather than write. There was someone who posted as algy during the week perhaps they heed my complaint and the style is much the same. I never use Algy at the Drum but many reply that way to me.
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So I was having a silly discussion with you. A later post I put up was that all that development and stuff was by the Catholic church. Diocese of Wagga spending $23 Million. The little Anglican church in my nearby village is a renovated ancient white washed cute affair. The new Catholic church set up is monstrous and cost a fortune. The Lutheran set is also quite grand. But the Catholics beats all by a country mile or 100. I had some churchy friends who did do the cleaning of the church and the gardening.
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Except that it did not get put up. Tried to explain twice to no avail.
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Oh it wasn’t that silly a discussion, one of the rare differences between us I thought. My experience is in the Anglican church and the ordinances are on the website if you know where to look (well in Sydney anyway). I don’t know about the Catholic church, but I would have thought if you asked them they would have generally told you how any profit from that develop might be spent. You’re right about the Catholics, great edifices normally on tops of hills. The cost of renovations can be significant, where my father attends they took a few years to renovate their original 50’s building to accommodate about 300 and become functional. The old church was quite small little bigger than a shed. It cost around $800k and they fund raised over a number of years as well as a small loan.
Its frustrating that where a simple explanation the mods won’t allow the post. At least we have the opportunity to clear things up here.
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Yes and it is why I dared to bring it up here. I was initially responding to “HolyCow:
23 Apr 2014 8:20:54am
I don’t know where you get your information from but the vast majority of churches are barely surviving even with tax cuts.”
It became clear that at least the Anglicans were not rolling in the money but I knew the Catholic church was. They are not using the development profits for housing for the needy, they’re putting $23 Million into one big development (it’s for lifestyle living) to make more money for who knows what. In the end if a church is poor is won’t be paying any taxes in the first place! Whether the Catholic church pays taxes, well I doubt it. Turns out they have millions to hire lawyers to prevent child abuse cases going to court etc and to pay some compensation. That Wagga diocese has a Property Manager.
I think on a per capita basis there are more churches in the rural/regional areas – my village has a population of 950 and three churches.
Finally, I will from hereon endeavour to never (as was my previous motto) engage in religious stuff.
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Here is a quote from The Australian a few years back “Business enterprises run by religious groups range from pizza chains, insurance companies, wineries, farms, schools, hospitals and aged-care facilities. All are exempt from tax. Australia is one of the few countries in the world where religious groups are not forced to pay tax on business ventures.”
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I think you find all denominations have property managers for their properties and that the properties are owned by the diocese, though most the maintenance issues would be taken care of by the individual parishes. I wonder how most these small churches survive in the bush many were started when populations were larger than they are now. And with the Catholics and child abuse its more a question who they take action against, they way the handle these allegations is abhorrent (putting it mildly). I’m with you I generally avoid any of the religious debates, especially on faith, they tend to be a pointless exercise. Then again back to normal this week only on evenings and this Friday.
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Yes but, this property manager is doing the development of land – it is a large paddock being managed by a share farmer putting some cattle on it. In the village here it is the little cute Anglican church which survives with the help of volunteers. The rest of the church population is gathered from surrounding areas – probably 20km radius and more. Big German heritage here – the settlers of the village were Lutheran many of whom came from South Australia. We have a fabulous community run museum – Wagners Store – it was a store and the adjoining residence and land is full of old wagons, tools and a re-created slab hut and there is a nearby original blacksmith building. The blacksmith still operated in the 80s. The Lutheran school gets maintained by virtue of the taxpayer.
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Well that should surprise that the property manager is the developer. What would be wrong is they aren’t telling what they are going to do with the proceeds.Are they communicating with you. I was involved on a building committee when the church I was a warden at built a new multi purpose auditorium. It involved knocking down a memorial hall and what we referred to as the seventh architectural wonder of the world (it was the most dysfunctional of buildings. The memorial hall whilst still in reasonable condition had lost its functionality. It was built in 1934. The church whilst quaint was about as wide a s a railway tunnel. Every step of the way we involved the local community and kept them updated. From memory they’re wasn’t a single Nowadays its used by the both the church and local community alike. That’s what the new multi function hall was built for. The use of the church and the local community alike.
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No church communicates with me Algy. I’m a non believer. I just observe. The Catholic mob here have been doing property development before. Nothing is said or asked publicly what the purpose is beyond land for new housing. Here is the news of one development a few years ago and here is another from 2013:
CATHOLIC Church plans for a new residential estate at Thurgoona will go ahead after winning consent from Albury Council.
The council has approved a 36-lot subdivision bordering Hartigan Street, part of the St Hilaire estate.
The church’s diocesan director of properties, Peter Fitzpatrick, said yesterday design work would begin immediately.
“I’d like to get lots on the market by February,’’ he said.
The 6 hectares adjoins the Immaculate Heart of Mary Church and Charles Sturt University.
Hartigan Street was named by the Albury-Wodonga Corporation after Father Patrick Hartigan, better known as the poet John O’Brien of Around the Boree Log fame.
Three former bishops of the Wagga diocese will be honoured in the street name agreed as part of the subdivision prepared by Esler and Associates.
They are Albury-born Joseph Dwyer, bishop from 1919-1939, his successor, Francis Henschke, who was bishop until 1968, and his successor, Francis Carroll, who became Archbishop of Canberra-Goulburn in 1983.
Archbishop Carroll, 81, has retired to Wagga.
Six of the approved lots are designed for residential units.
The estate will be developed in two stages, starting with a 22-lot stage.
This will be the second such Thurgoona housing development by the church after Dunne Crescent was laid out in 1998 on the former St John’s Orphanage’s farm when the site was part of Guadalupe House.
Wagga diocese owns two other parcels of prime housing land, at Ettamogah and north of Thurgoona.
It bought 122 hectares on Wagga Road between Kaitlers Road and Central Reserve Road last year, after buying 80ha in two parcels at Williams Road, Thurgoona, in 2007 and 2008.
The land could provide 2000 homes, Catholic schools and a parish centre.
DEVELOPMENT has started on a Catholic Church-owned estate of 400 homes sites on Albury’s northern fringes.
The Wagga diocese will spend about $23 million laying out roads and services for Ettamogah Rise estate, its property director Peter Fitzpatrick said yesterday.
Stage 1 on Wagga Road is being laid out by contractor Gray Bruni in a $4 million project for 49 lots the Albury Council has already approved.
And, in a new move, the diocese has submitted plans to the council for 343 more homes sites, extending along Wagga Road to Central Reserve Road at Ettamogah.
Such an extension of the city on the former Hume Highway has been talked about for more than 20 years, firstly by the Albury-Wodonga Corporation, which then owned the land.
Windsor Avenue will run off Wagga Road and other London names such as Whitehall Street, Regent Street and Fenchurch Drive, have been adopted. Piccadilly will be used later.
Mr Fitzpatrick said the diocese was looking well ahead by applying for eight more stages to fill a market need.
“We want to have a constant supply of lifestyle lots available,” he said.
The 40 lots in stage 1 will be just over 1500 square metres, more than double the size of most Lavington or Thurgoona home sites.
A handful of sites on the slopes of One Tree Hill will be at least 4000 square metres, with striking views of the Victorian mountains.
Most stage 2 to 9 lots will also be about 1500 square metres — the minimum allowed under city planning controls — the largest will be 7200 square metres.
The church’s consultant, James Laycock, of Blueprint Planning, said the environmental impact on One Tree Hill would be insignificant.
Mr Laycock said the city would gain the sort of low-density housing the council favoured for the area in its development control plan, with large lots on the higher land.
The city’s water supply has been augmented to allow homes to receive a reticulated water supply to the usual 240-metre contour.
Plans for stages 2 to 9 are available for public comment until February 4.
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I’m just saying that’s what we did at the time, communicated what we did with every property in the surrounding are and told them what we were doing.
I can see from this that they are telling you what they are doing with the land but not from this what they will do with the proceeds. Not a good look really, Could they have owned large tracts of Thurgoona once.
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Seems to me that the Catholic business is done differently from what others might expect. I know they owned about 40 acres which was part of an orphanage and it was sold to the AWDC for its early development at Thurgoona (part of Gough’s decentralisation plans) way back in the 70s. As to the rest of it, they’ve bought it for development. All the land in the Thurgoona area was purchased by the Corporation (AWDC). The Ettamogah development is also just part of their land development ideas. It would seem that some of the proceeds will build yet more Catholic schools and a parish centre. The area has already been provided with a Community Hall and community houses. There is already a catholic college there. They are clearly thinking 30 years ahead.
Algy, what you and your fellow Anglicans did is admirable. Maybe you can understand what I was saying (originally) about development and making money.
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Vivienne I can understand your concerns there and can see where your coming from. Communications are so important doesn’t matter who it is or what organisation or even government it is.
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PS: the Community hall and houses were provided by the Corporation, not the Church.
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Interesting. Over at the Dumb the Pigs Arms crew is doing well on Anzac Day. The conservative crew are virtually mute as the would be too busy making money to fight in wars
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I made two or three comments hours ago and they are not up. They got it in for me today.
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I’ve got most mine up today, unlike yesterday.
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Hmm, not sure what is going on but cheers JL
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A see a mentally midget is up to no good there today.
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Comments seem to disappear here at the moment but yes that was JL and good to hear from him
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If I mention J ules nothing appears
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We were warned to not use any of you know whose monikers. It triggers something.
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I checked the Anzac articles yesterday, the later one had about 84 posts published at that time, 18 of them by the one and same pseudo. I did not bother posting anything…
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Thanks Viv, I didn’t realise it had gone that far.
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Helvi – Coogera was it? Obsessed by his proof that the Japs never intended to invade Australia – he’s got the proof. Well, that wasn’t to hand back then was it. Not a myth. He was full of crap. But the moderation was extremely slow. I got all the washing and drying done in between checking.
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Viv, yes it was, moderation might be slow, but it should be fairer, why let one pseudo hog the conversation…
A couple days ago, I posted twice, the more critical one got up, but when I praised someone’s post and added something of my own to it, it did not get up…
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Exactly Helvi. We know the mods have been slow and pathetic for quite a while now but I think they are excelling themselves in the stupid department lately. Extremely annoying. Makes me wonder if they have different staff there some days – that is staff who have no idea what the job involves and pick and choose on a whim or even their own prejudice.
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I agree with you H. Mods allow certain folks lots of comments.
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They are most likely running the Drum on a banana skin budget and now use their permanent writers and journos writing most articles.
I suspect it is the same with the moderator(s) probably doing much more than just moderating, probably vacuuming, making sandwiches, washing cars and God knows what else. I suspect they sometimes takes a swath of responses and just don’t put those on. , being short of time. Just checking on time lapses between responses seems to indicate that.
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Yes Gerard. If you are lucky to post when they are sitting at the desk you can do alright. Pick the wrong hour and you are stuck in outer space – they have indeed just chucked a pile out.
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Coogera was certainly full of their own self importance weren’t they. Whilst the Japanese didn’t eventually invade whose to say they wouldn’t. You only need to look at their line of attack to realise that Australia if they could was the intended target. There was an interesting program on the Gallipoli landing that challenged my point of view. I did notice the Gold Coasts finest was off on a tangent, Something about British History being the same as Australian History. In the end only half mine got up.
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J ules, come over to my site
http://hungsworld.wordpress.com/
No politics
No grudges
Lets move forward
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How bright are some of these tory sycophants. How on earth could a reasonable person after reading the Indonesian Foreign Minister come to such an idiotic conclusion, They can’t even quote the correct newspaper.
Algernon:
22 Apr 2014 2:27:52pm
No it wasn’t Andie. It was how the PM of the day handled it. Lets not forget that Indonesia is turning their back on the country in the way they handle the Refugees. Works well for the rednecks and their tory feeders. An embarrassment elsewhere.
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A happy little denunker:
22 Apr 2014 8:58:16pm
Algernon,
Marty N, does not seem to agree with you at this time!
He appears to be having a wink and a nod, whilst condemning how we handle irregular maritime illegal arrivals!
Ckeck the Jakarta times for an update.
As for how our government handled spying allegations, compare with the current distrust and dis-sastifaction that Merkel has with Obama, about how not to repair diplomatic relations.
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I asked once what did he think he was actually debunking. Didn’t get published but with a screen name like that you would have thought that was a fair question.
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Hat’s off to Big M for his comment at Tom Meagher’s article by the way. I was quiet appalled by the manslpaining that went on there. Not the place for it.
I refrained from challenging the mansplainers cause I didn’t want to start a brawl under that article. But you did it well, Champ. Firm, fair and not apt to inflame (as my comments are from time to time).
Respect!
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Thanks, Sea Monster. Only a quick comment, but I was sick of the whining!
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I’d really like to know where Sea Monster got the notions he did about what he thought I thought or ‘believed’ and what I was supposed to have cherry picked and the other bit about convict Australia.
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I tried to apologise for ‘believed’ but they didn’t let me. It was imprecise in the context of an article on faith. What I was trying to convey that it was legitimate to be persuaded by evidence of Jesus’ existence and those biographical details. I wanted to register somewhere though that the existence of Jesus isn’t as cut and dried as the author would have us believe.
The cherry picking is just an observation I make about how people approach the Jesus story generally. There’s a lot Christians who read prosperity gospel into the text which is at odds with your reading.
I read something else again. I tend to see the gospel as Quietist. It doesn’t seem to consistently advocate radical change and justice. To me it says just cop the world the way it is, you’ll benefit in the afterlife.
Render unto Ceaser what is Ceasers.
Happy are the poor.
When Jesus tells the good rich man to sell all he owns for the poor his primary concern isn’t for the poor its the rich man’s soul.
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That’s annoying thing about the Drum – not getting answers put up. So, what about ‘Its interesting to me that your interpretation of the Jesus story seems similar to (say) your angle on the history of convicts in Australia; little guy stickin’ it to the big man. ‘ Or, did you mean some people’s angle? I’ve not discussed our convict history.
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I try to avoid the “religious” blogs at The Drum, they aren’t really arguments at all. they tend to be slanging matches. I find it a waste of time.
I might point out that John Dickson has a PHD in Ancient History and is a Senior Research Fellow in the Department of Ancient History at Macquarie University and has been there for a number of years. He’s spent a good deal (around 20 years) of his professional life looking for empirical evidence to the existence of Jesus Christ. (that includes being on the ground in areas of Israel and surrounds). Your evidence is what SM? As to Jesus Christ being the son of God well that’s another matter and up to the individual.
On prosperity gospel well that originated in Nigeria. It is something preached by the likes of Hillsong and some other charismatic churches and is at odds with mainstream churches and anyone who reads the bible in context. then again there are many who try to paint prosperity gospel as being the norm and mainstream.
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It was the first time I engaged with any religious article. I found Dickson’s topic and approach interesting. Especially because I never engage in discussion about God and Jesus with any of the followers of Christian faith and the fact that he thought we needed tips to do so was actually odd. There are a few philososphers who do argue/discuss and there is Compass on ABC TV which I watch out of interest. But I have nothing to do with religious matters or organisations except when they interfere in politics and where they financially benefit from our taxes. To then have Sea Monster seemingly put words in my mouth was strange. He hasn’t explained himself well enough for me. No doubt if there is a Drum piece on our convict heritage (etc) I will engage in it.
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Yes I thought SMs comments there were a little strange. Perhaps he thought Gough Whitlam was a convict.
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I decided to dive into the Ten Tips religious forum on the Drum. Sea Monster replied to me and I responded back. It was there. Ten minutes later and my response is gone. What the …?
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It’s back now. Still ……. odd.
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…and then it all closed down.
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Reply to hph..
No we did not watch the Kings Cross program, we saw a eight year old repeat of Jenny Brockie’s Insiders story on Twins. We wanted to see it again because our lovely lawyer friend and her twin sister appeared in it.
There are some nice lawyers out there, not all greedy…..
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Thanks Helvi. Yes we need lawyers when we don’t understand the *fine print* at the bottom of a document sometimes.
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Barry O’Farrell has resigned. He lied.
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Liberals don’t lie, they inadvertently forget, vivenne
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Yes, I heard that. But this is one way where there is absolutely nothing ‘inadvertent’ about it. It is either massive, massive memory fail or… he lied.
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All he had to do was to be honest in the first place, say he forgot to put it on the register, get his wrist slapped all would move on. But no I full blown tory tradition he chose to mislead ICAC. He corrected that but the damage had blown his feet off.
Who next for Premier, I nearly fell off my chair tonight when I heard Anthony Roberts name mentioned. He’s a bit of a mummys boy, oh and he’s got some history too.
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The tories are going into damage control
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a glimpse of Australia’s future on ABC 1 : Dead Drunk
Did anyone watch it ?
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I read an essay about it, by the producer. Much of Iview is blocked in Italy. I live in Newcastle, and couldn’t sleep when my eldest went into town on Friday, Saturday nights, years back.Working in the hospital, I would hear every week about some kid needing $10000s worth of surgery to rebuild teeth, face or jaw, let alone those with a neurological injury. Now the youngest goes into town, and I have much less qualms. There is much better control by the coppers, and more responsibility from the publicans.
If people can’t behave then the pubs should close earlier.
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No. I was too drunk.
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It’s sad what booze does to the memory.
🙂
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What?
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Yeah, I just count the bottles the next day to see if I have had a good time 🙂
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I like chameleons. Do you like chameleons? I think they are cute. 🙂
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Never met one. Not even in a zoo. Only on the tele.
Geckos are very cute. I’ve got lots of them here – hang out on the windows of an evening catching little moths and bugs.
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I like Geckos too. They are very cute. I saw one chameleon at The Drum today. 🙂
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You think the Drum is bad, try getting a pro Labor anti Liberal post on a News website is virtually impossible.
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It’s like trying to put a wet cat into a cage. 🙂
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Or a Pom into a shower 🙂
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…or nailing jelly to a wall.
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Or wearing white shoes on the Gold Coast
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Nah, you’d never be able to get a pommy into a shower!!
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Guardian online is full of good lefty stuff with the usual smattering of Lib shits. They get a drubbing. Go there and feel better.
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It is astonishing but not totally unexpected that the Liv(b)eral Government is now in a full blown and serious assault on pensioners in trying to bring the budget back to neutral. The taxation levels will of course not be tackled even though in our OECD economy we do not pay even the average of taxation. Even a hike in our GST, which is also one of the lowest, is not being considered.
We are following the US and like them will pay the price in increased levels of wealth for the rich but longer queues at soup kitchens and straining accommodation for the homeless, the majority.
The Netherlands which has an average level of OECD taxation gives a basic pension to everyone, rich or poor. Those that have saved top their pensions above the basic. Here the Government are now contemplating getting even stricter on ‘handing out’ a pension. Social security is now following the same path as boatpeople. It is being demonised as having somehow failed. Hockey is trumpeting that we should not rely on ‘hand outs’. “Enough is enough,” he keeps saying, as if this is somehow a social paradise. Australia is not.
The OECD includes social security premiums paid by employers in the total salary package. The top Dutch tax rate is currently 52% on earnings over around €56,000. – See more at: http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2014/04/dutch_tax_pressure_on_wages_ha.php#sthash.xwKd2RqH.dpuf
The obvious and brave solution would be to tax the middle class and the rich more, much more, instead of attacking those least likely to afford to lift revenue, the pensioners.
It will never happen.
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I’d tax the miners…oh, we tried that, f#*+Ed it up, and now they brag about paying farcall tax
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Yes, fancy trying to use pensioners to get the books back to surplus? Next I’ll be forced to break rocks, work in salt mines or being used for shark bait.
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An old man says to the doctor: “Doctor, I lost my memory!”
Doctor: “When did this start?”
The old man: “When did what start!”
🙂
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So what? The media beat it all up as shown by the link not by Bush himself who was probably quite happy doing his portraits. If Mr Rembrandt was alive today, who knows, he might well have taken images from photos as well. What makes a person sitting for a portrait so different or special from a photograph? Surely the final work is what counts? But as with the critique being heaped on B. Carr as well, Australia as with the UK, has always unreservedly loved their sporting heroes but never trusted success in artistic achievements. Always loved the N. Kellys and A. Bonds but not the P.Whites or B.Hensons or, as shown by the scathing reportage by the media, the B. Carrs.
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The media beat up everything, but at the core is a beat-up by Bush himself. The paintings are the centrepiece of an exhibit at his Presidential Library entitled The Art of Leadership: A President’s Personal Diplomacy and he’s made claims about how the paintings reflect his close relationships with the leaders, and he’s made further claims about how important those relationships were diplomatically.
Who thinks there’s something wrong with portraiture from a photograph? Although, you would expect an artist to choose the photograph carefully.
As for the rest – your segue to your recurrent themes about Australia and the UK is rather tenuous. It’s not the Drum; you don’t have to pretend to be writing about the topic in order to get your comment published.
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You don’t have to pretend to be friendly either or stick to the issue or indeed to always get personal.
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Well it was a relevant segue as I see your comment. Working from a photograph sure beats working from memory or having to get your dad to sit for hours on end. I believe most portrait painters take a photo or two (I’ve seen it done). But re Ned Kelly – he has a lot of ‘likes’ and ‘dislikes’ i.e. not ‘always loved’ Gerard. He gets a lot of discussion (on and off) because he spent so much time in this area – his turf. He’s been the subject of a lot of writing, books too.
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The latest on George Bush’s artistic genius. Perhaps we need a new to coin a French phrase. En face de l’ordinateur, maybe.
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/news/george-bushs-paintings-are-copied-off-google-images-and-wikipedia-art-critic-claims-9248864.html
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This is the same gwb who said the French have no word for ‘ontraprannooer’.
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He could have just said.
There’s nothing wrong with a painting student who happens to be an ex-President having a go at some portraits from web photos, but he didn’t have to let it get beaten up into some kind of deep personal insight from an ex-Presidential viewpoint.
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Correct Voice, they are competent works from an amateur and nothing more. That they are beaten up into something more is ridiculous.
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What did you think of hph’s latest link? Seriously funny (somewhat inappropriate satire if you ask me.
You’re not going to have a crack at coining a French phrase?
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What link?
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Perhaps “par le biais de la Toile”.
But – phrases cross languages for good reason, not for the sake of it.
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Insight “`a la George Bush”?
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Poor ole George Doubleya.
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Or as I like to call him, George Bush II. I’m of the school of thought that sees him as he comes across in interviews about his painting. A nice guy, solid values, real patriot, close to average intelligence, one dimensional viewpoint and the analytical ability of a peanut. A rather unfortunate combination for a President at the time of 9/11 especially when it’s combined with a cartoon view of world politics.
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He’s an enigm, MBA from Harvard, which I doubt could be bought by daddy, set up his own oil company, with some dollars from the Bin Laden’s, then carries on like an idiot teenage boy during the presidency. As you say, the analytical skills of a peanut, who’s probably still wondering why he wasn’t allowed to invade Iran.
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I think Daddy may have bought him a place at Yale and Harvard, Big M.
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I am again teetering on abandoning The Drum. I think someone doesn’t like me – no comment posted or only one of the two I did. Takes too bloody long to get going and arguments impossible to maintain. All getting repetitive from the Right side – moronic and bereft of real content relative to the article. The 24 hour limit is too harsh.
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I have not written anything for awhile, it’s too slow, you also know what people are going to says, he’s Labor, he’s Liberal etc, etc…
I read something but I’m rarely prompted to response, sometimes I feel like writing under Alpo’s posts ‘agree’, and under custard ‘ disagree’… 🙂
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I did much same as that – a few words agreeing and then someone who seems to follow me around slagged me off for agreeing. I’m thinking the bad company there is not worth it. I think maybe it is the extreme slowness – hours of delay – which is making it a hopeless thing.
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I am still blogging as Bill Bored but I rarely comment and am sick of the politics like Helvi says. It seems to shut down for long periods and when I log in the next morning either my comment didn’t make it or it is buried under 400 others.
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It doesn’t ‘seem’ to Hung – it bloody well does. Chips excuse was that they were snowed under. Bullshit. I see little value in their doing this so-called moderation. They let crap through and not some of my good sensible ones. I did write a strongly worded one about Abbott and Japan/Korea/China which never got up. Compared to others it was inoffensive unless ‘moron’ is now banned. Whoever the moderator/s is/are they are dipshits.
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GO wrote a rare reply to someone, he read it to me and I thought it very good, not offensive. He was too lazy to check if it was accepted ,so went through about 450 posts only to find it was not there..
Eff this I thought 🙂 I have better things to do….I also miss being on the soap-box…only kidding.
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Remember those good old days when all three of us were sitting on that box… 🙂
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Spot on Viv. Like I say for me the interest in the site is waning.
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In many ways I prefer The Conversation (which Atomou didn’t like), where the comment goes up, you get automatic emails when there are other comments, and the moderators only reove comments based on complaints. Theyo do comment themselves regarding rudeness, etc.
However, Tc only gets a fraction of the comments that the Bum receives.
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Exactly so – all of you. Helvi, you do know how to quickly find a comment. Use your Find – type in the pseud and you just click the down arrow to find all by that name.
I was thinking that they don’t need to moderate at all (because they are hopeless) and do like the Guardian, IA etc do – pull it down if it is a piece of trolling shit.
Ah, the Soap Box – when comments also went up with relatively speed. I wonder if others have complained to Chips.
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I’m finding I can’t be bothered most days. Same old garbage from the same old garbage. Because I can only post sometime after 6 most nights I’m coming in after hundreds of comments so I’m stuck arguing on other peoples comments. Every other Friday is different though. even If I do comment often they don’t get up at other times they go straight through.
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Algy, re ‘same old garbage’ – I’ve lost count the number of times a subject gets turned in Climate Change and the deniers’ shit about. They’re still rubbishing the NBN – why is Turnbull still building it?
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…more GW Bush paintings
http://www.dailypaul.com/283603/fauxsclusive-a-new-batch-of-oddly-disturbing-george-w-bush-paintings
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Oddly disturbing indeed, but I like them, he must a creative person after all…
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must be
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Yes Helvi, it’s disturbing and as one person remarked, “it’s bizarre,” at the same time. Not bad for a man who signed 152 death warrants as governor of Texas than any other elected official. …Not one clemency! Oh well, he went to a Business school, not an Art school. Look what happened with Hitler 😦 He used to paint too.
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Hitler was also a vegetarian, as I like to point out to those who eschew flesh.
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You don’t need to be a good person to produce good art….
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Ah, Don’t I know that, Helvi. I know at least two of them very close to me. I’m not saying that they are bad persons but nevertheless they are screwed up in the head. 🙂 If I give them the Ultimate Power they will wipe out half of the planet. 🙂
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Hitler also enjoyed certain activities that would see him jailed in New Zealand but not a lot of other places.
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F##+in sheep shagger.
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Did anyone read Mungo Mac’s esay on whaling. In the final paragraph he announced that he’s having surgery for throat cancer.
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Saw it. Hope he comes through okay. Will check to see how comments are going. Nothing up when I turned off.
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Enjoy yourself young man, All the best to Mrs M
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Thanks, Hung.
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Stuffed Olive:
07 Apr 2014 11:23:37am
He is not an employee. Do you therefore think all the IPA opinion writers are employees of the ABC? Stop writing rot. Changing the financial advice laws to allow people to again be ripped off – you should be against this. The existing law is something you should support as do the financial advisors themselves. It is the Banks who want total control – they don’t offer independent advice and I never expect them to. Just should not have freedom to do whatever they darn well like.
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Well said Viv, hear, hear
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Oh, yes, the abc is full of left wing bias, blah, blah, blah, just because their journalists question the current government on the secrecy surrounding the way it conducts it’s business.
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Ewe still in Eyetally?
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Yes, Portofino, then to lake Como today. This trip is Mrs Ms reward for surviving her spinal tumour. She’s managed quite well. Yesterday was the first time she paused for breath on a walk.
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I did correct is immediately but hours later second correction was up. I had not noticed that Verrender in fact was their Business writer. The rest of course is the fact of the matter. I get so sick of the attacks on authors.
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I saw that too Viv but I am amazed by the number of people that think Drum contributors are paid. I would assume that Ian would have done this in his own time.
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