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The sociopath
- Glibness and Superficial Charm
- Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims. - Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as “their right.” - Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests. - Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way. - Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises. - Incapacity for Love
- Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common. - Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others’ feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them. - Etc. This from Wiki
. - Notice the smooth faces of those untouched by having ‘lived’. Compared with the man who confessed of being addicted to gambling, having been in jail at the latest Q&A. Come to think of it, does A Bolt also not have a smooth face, totally untouched by age or having lived?
Hope he stays away from guns.
Window Dresser's Arms, Pig & Whistle 
…and now there are 100 !
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I think that you should vary your reading diet Viv. Perhaps some bran with the Crikey.
Perhaps Treason has a different meaning in the NSW & Country Victoria dictionary, but your example is nonsense. Not by any stretch of the imagination could that be considered treasonous. Excepting maybe in Burma.
An elected member of Parliament may call the government on anythihg. However I DO think that the rhetoric was vacuous, but to call it treason is ludicrous.
Good I have a clear conscience at labelling that gobbledygook now!
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One expects The Liberals to support the job creators anyway. That’s one of their functions. Not everybody can be safely employed in a cosy government job.
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oops my connection speed is snails pace this morning. Attempted to post it 20mins ago. Should be below. Anyway Off to do some work now..
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I suggest you get yourself a real dictionary and stop making up silly stories about country dictionaries — under treason you won’t find any mention of blowing up parliament house. Obvious now you have no idea what saying ‘sovereign risk’ means either.
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Sovereign risk, sovereign risk, sovereign risk, sovereign risk, sovereign risk, sovereign risk.
Sovereign risk, sovereign risk, sovereign risk, sovereign risk, sovereign risk, sovereign risk.
Fin.
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Calm down folks. We are all orphans in this cruel world. Here, let me sooth you all into a relaxing slumber with a bit more light hand relief by Rosaria with her deft fingers and her lace making art.
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Getting there gerard.
I’m off for the afternoon. …Gotta pay my GST (3months) and tax for the year. Bye.
Best of luck!
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That shouldn’t take you all day VL. Just a photocopy of the form and attach a cheque then pop it in the post. Though if your sending it today then your a day late.
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Vectis Lad asked me whether I thought the explanation for Breivik’s actions was that he is mad, or that he is evil… My answer was a bit long and would have had to go under all the other multifarious comments other piglets have made, who were much quicker than I was to answer him, so I’ve just submitted it as an article for review… Would some kindly office sprite do the necessary for me and post it?
I’m even toying with the idea of submitting it to the Drum… or somewhere… Do you think I should?
🙂
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Go for it T2!
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Wishin’ on a falling star
Waitin’ for the early train
Sorry boy, but I’ve been hit by purple rain
Aw, come on, Joe, you can always
Change your name
Thanks a lot, son, just the same
sigh
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The brains of Abbott and his core of henchmen are hard wired to resist change. This is probably due to his brain having a much larger amygdalas than more progressive forward looking people’s brains with smaller amygdalas. This can often be the cause for great anxiety and over the top emotions. Abbott dwells in the past and doesn’t like the feel of moving forward except on his bike. The bike riding somehow gives him a sense of power and control even though when the ride is over and he gets of his bike, he smiles and knows that his world is still static and unchanged. His view on climate change is a nutty as an Orang Utan under the bed.
He believes in Yeomen, Beef eaters and an English queen. Clearly right wing delusions of grandeur bordering on sociopathic, especially when he looks down smilingly on his admirers. He believes that even if the world is melting away that his stance on not doing anything is the right one and that standing still is the best way to get about and move forward. He is probably deficient in raw herrings and gado-gado as well.
It’s all in the brain.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/8228192/Political-views-hard-wired-into-your-brain.html
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Gee, I really dislike Abbott as a potential Prime Minister. I’m shocked you can’t think of anything negative about him.
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So, nothing of substance really. 1/10.
Nothing that can harm the country then? The 1 is for gado-gado.
I don’t like Penny Wong’s hair…..Even Stevens.
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VL, after months of packing fruit, cutting meat, and filleting fish, Abbott should be ready for a apprenticeship at a minor restaurant, he’s keen and he’s fit. Maybe he can also work as a bouncer for the nightclub next door, he loves a good fight…
Amen to Abbott.
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Maybe he should be Prime Minster, Helvi, so far non of you have come with anything that would preclude that. I must say I am a little disappointed really. With enemies like you he doesn’t need friends.
I thought that you may have done better, so I can only conclude that you are hard-wired to object to the job creators.
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VL, I don’t want to have any serious disagreements with other Piglets, this is after all not my blog, Pigs Arms is Emmjay’s baby…
I rather stay away from fights and overly argumentative posters anywhere, but especially here at Pigs,
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It’s not serious Helvi.
You have all alerted me to the fact that Abboott, is a ————————(insert here any of your favourite expletives), and that he would harm Australia. I am just asking why? But nobody seems to know.
However I agree, let’s forget it and stick to things that we DO know about.
Why don’t we discuss the NBN? 🙂
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Mr Funston, I don’t mind Abbott doing sport, it’s after all good to try and stay fit, but I do mind that he wants to win at ANY cost in matters political as well, he does not see that he is harming the country…there are plenty of ignorant people out there who believe Abbott’s lies and fear-mongering…
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BUT, that is what I’m trying to find out!
What does he want to do that will harm the country.
DOES ANYBODY KNOW?
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Funston, you said that you don’t like Abbott either, to list my grievances about him would take all night, your list might be shorter, so why don’t YOU start and tell us. the things you don’t like about him…
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I don’t like his leadership skills, but I can’t see, how that can , “HARM THE COUNTRY”.
Surely between all of you, you could come up with one terrifying (I think that is the word that Algy used) .
You have all been denigrating him ever since he carried the coup. So you must have one thing that you can spruike….Or I’ll just have to assume that you can’t. Sorry to be so mean Helvi. I am usually chivalrous, toward Ladies, but no-one is speaking, to back up all of the insults.
If it just his ears, then say so?
Anyway, I’m bored now.
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I’m off with my bat & ball. You can put gerads 42 posts up 😉
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He would make Australia the laughing stock of the world. Having a brainless, inept fool as our ‘leader’ would mean no one would take us seriously. If you can’t see that then you have a problem. He is a total embarrassment. As you know I don’t think much of the Liberals but I believe they have the worst leader imaginable. He has no tact either. I have watched him in Question Time and have seen him in action – when in government he got so angry with a Labor member he lept up and ran to the other side and threatened to punch the person – he had his hands up in boxing mode. I have watched all his National Press Club appearances and debates – always dreadful, rude and inappropriate. This is all about him, not his being a Liberal.
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He’s popular in England.
But is this it: he offered to punch someone?
Is that the sum total of how he could ,’harm the country’?
Anyway were’ obviously all wasting each other’s time. You just don’t like him.
He may be the leader that we need. Who knows?
The majority of voters now thinks so. And Gillard has had plenty of time to increase her popularity.
I suppose that you would support Pauline Hanson, if she was in the ALP.
It just seems repetitively boring jargon at The Drum. He’s got big ears. The IPA is crooked. Howard stared a war. All asylum seekers are virtous priests.
That’s the only thing that this government has got right. Transferring the wealthy boat people to Malaysia. Well almost right. We should be bringing in those poor souls from Somalia, as I have said a thosand times. If we’re going to give food and shelter to anybody, it should be them. Not someone who has paid $50,000.oo to get here.
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Vectis, Abbott stands for nothing and thinks being in opposition is a matter of saying no to everything. He has a unique opportunity in a hung parliament of introducing policy but chooses not to. He questions the legitimacy of the government even though this is what the people voted for at a general election. On that point he is no different to European dictators of the early 20th century. He thinks nothing of commiting acts of treason under parliamentry privilge in the parliament. He has no respect whatsoever for the will of the people. He has an opinion that changes with whichever group he talks to.
By his own admission he finds economics boring, tells us that the only words you can believe of his are not the spoken ones but the carefully worded transcripts. As a minister he stripped over a $1b out of the health system.
Your right vectis we would wake up after an election and the sky wouldn’t fall in. The economy though would quickly fall apart and the country would become more devisive than what it is now. What saddens me is that the press here do not hold him to task.
I’m sorry this bores you Vectis, perhaps you could explain how the world would become the land of milk and honey under his leadership. And please none of this malarky about being a Rhodes scholar.
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No, the punch was a long time ago but a good example of his mindset. If you can’t see how having a fool leading the country as being of no harm then I worry about your mindset VL. I would never support Hanson in any place and that kind of argument is stupid. I never liked Kim Beazley much either – I thought he was weak, but I didn’t ever think he would be a bad PM. What bothers me is that you do comment on political matters but appear to have little real knowledge VL – that’s a shame.
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vivienne, Beasley could have won the 1998 & the 2001 election if he had a backbone and wasn’t a small target. In 2001 Beasley was in the same position in the polls as Abbott is now, The difference is the next election is two years away.
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He questions the legitimacy of the government even though this is what the people voted for at a general election……………………… [We all know that the majority don’t want this government to govern any more. I’m surprised that you do.]
On that point he is no different to European dictators of the early 20th century. He thinks nothing of commiting acts of treason under parliamentry privilge in the parliament. He has no respect whatsoever for the will of the people. He has an opinion that changes with whichever group he talks to………………………….[ Gobbledygook, Algy, with respect].
By his own admission he finds economics boring, tells us that the only words you can believe of his are not the spoken ones but the carefully worded transcripts………………..[. Aren’t we all just sick to the teeth of accountants?]
As a minister he stripped over a $1b out of the health system….{You really have to quantify that. It seems at odds with information available on the web]
He also seems to have a lot of time for indigenous Australians, and I can’t see how that would “harm” Australia. Or be bad for make us the laughing stock?
All in all he probably is NOT the right leader, and I have consistently said this…..for ever.
However NOBODY could be worse (or as bad) as Swan & Gillard. Excepting maybe Anna Bligh or Christine Keneallly.
So…..I would rather have Abboott and Turnbull.
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Vectis in 2001 opinion polls said the same of Howard, Beasley was a shoe in and that Howard was on the nose in 2001. He was able to manufacture a boat load of asylum seekers as terrorists on the Tampa then lied about children overboard and wham bam he wins the election. As I’ve said before the opinion polls are just opinion polls I don’t care what they say. A general election is the only poll that counts and we have one every three years. Just accept that and move on.
If you think my comments are gobblygook then fine VL, if you don’t like what others have to say then thats fine as you’ve said before its all a matter of opinion. However, if people choose to ignore you because you’re talking bollocks then don’t be suprised. Or haven’t you noticed.
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VL – your reply to Algernon was further proof that you really know nothing about politics. Alergnon made some excellent points. You don’t believe the health dollars went down under Abbott as the Minister as you say web figures say differently. There is a big trick to that as it includes the massive increase in subsidies for private health insurance – irrelevant and a waste. Perhaps you might desist from writing your own gobbledegook. I’m saying no more.
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Algernon – sorry for making a hash of your name ! I have just been whipper snippering and my arms and hands are still shaky. It is Beazley by the way, not Beasley.
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That’s Ok vivienne, I’ll answer to anything. Didn’t think I spelt Beazley correctly thanks for picking that up.
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Viv your being abusive, “you know nothing about politics”! !
And presumably you are being deliberately obtuse when you refer to my gobbledygook accusation.
I was quite specific and bracketed the comment about “treason”*.
It was a ridiculous protestation. Tell me why you (obviously) support it. I’m afraid that I am hampered by not understanding it?
* Treason…get it? It’s gobbledygook.
BTW, I will apologise if it is explained tome and he genuinely “Did” commit treason. Has he plotted to blow up the House Of Parliament?
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VL – I did say I would say no more. But – treason is betrayal of one’s country. He has engaged in that on a number of occasions. I’ve not been abusive saying you know nothing about politics – by that I mean all that has transpired in the political arena. Your posts on Unleashed repeat false claims. I prefer the facts, the truth of the matter.
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Poisonous, I’ll go along with. But treasonous? Please explain. Since it is that source of my unending puzzlement.
it is that word that I called Algy to account on. You have compounded it…and now repeated this, in my view, false claim!
Please give the instance? If you don’t mind. then we’ll put the matter to bed 🙂
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One example – Abbott jumping on the mining companies bandwagon yelling sovereign risk. Abbott claiming the super mining tax was a sovereign risk. It was nothing short of outrageous and wrong. It was treason coming out of his mouth. You have to know what sovereign risk means to understand how shocking Abbott’s words were.
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Geeps, sounds like all the knob heads have had a say so bring back the death penalty, I mean a life of endless episodes of Home and Away. brilliant
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God no. He might decide to emigrate to Australia.
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What we want is Watneys .
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Whatever that is. I have a horrible feeing we’re about to find out. Sigh.
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It was just an old beer company slogan, that came to mind. I don’t know why.
It was out of the blue and surprised me 🙂
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So glad Hung that you don’t believe in executions and floggings like Voice and Funston.
Of course watching ‘Home and Away’ or Bolt on Insiders is almost like a death penalty 🙂
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Oh, I don’t believe in the death penalty. Merely the death permanent threat removal. I’m such a wimp I’d rather they died of natural causes. Very soon.
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I’m with you H as always 🙂
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Hung, as there are no moderators here, you are always allowed to agree with me 🙂
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Thank you your Aitchedness
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Crikey! They have a million guns in a country of under 5 million people. Haven’t heard a word about gun control. Surely they’ll at least look at tougher restrictions on semi-automatic weapons.
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This killer business certainly focuses the spotlight on Scandinavia. In an article entitled “The extreme right, a major force in Scandinavia”, Le Figaro presents the following facts about the main Scandinavian nationalist parties:
– Norway’s Progress Party got 22.9 % of the legislative vote in 2009, making it the main opposition party.
– Denmark’s People’s Party got 13.8 % of the vote, making it the third highest represented party.
– In Sweden the Sweden Democrats received 5.7 % of the legislative vote in 2010.
– Finland’s True Finns got 19.1 % of the vote in last April’s elections, a score 4 times higher than in 2007.
They are having a lot of trouble dealing with what, for us in Australia, is a very low number of foreign born people in their midst.
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But then again, our extreme right party, run by Big Ears almost got over 50%.
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I can’t seem to get a straight answer from anyone, so I’ll try you, gerad.
What is the most extreme right thing that is ‘now’ on The Liberal agenda.
I mean that’s a pretty large scope. You must be able to come up with something.
Helvi, said sport; atomou, Aboott’s head and Algy, said, nothing.
You can say what you like, I am not a fan of Aboott. However I am extremely curios, to examine the substance of all this angst.
Is he trying to damage the economy, or going to sack some fat civil servants?
What’s he gonna do?
Anybody?
BigM, Voice? You’re the most sane in here.
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Bwahahaha. The camouflage is working!
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Or Hung. He’s usually good at delicate explanations…I’m all Abbott’s.
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That’s new rhyming slang for ears BTW.
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I only have a mere semblance of sanity, unless you were talking about Voice? Oh you were!!
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Laddie, you’re severely underestimating my objections to this most objectionable form of spit. Read over my answer, if you like.
To make it a little easier.
One doesn’t just object to the superficials of a man or a woman when that man or woman is a politician. One objects to their political views, policies and dispositions. Personally, I hate fascists and Abbott is a fascist who would make Mussolini blush. His views MUST prevail. Or Machiavelli. Or any hairshirt wearing member of the Tribunal del Santo Oficio de la Inquisición. Or Sayyed Ayatollah As-Sayyid Ruhollah Mostafavi Musavi Khomeini. (The Christian version)
Perhaps you haven’t been here in Oz long enough to have seen nor felt the ravages to the politics of this country that his patron and spawn spitter, Howard and his cronies has caused. Abbott was one of those cronies. Headkicker, extraordinary, liar, constrictor of ethics, destroyer of any freedom of thought, deliverer of inquisitions -religious as well as social, hypocrite and sycophant of the first and slimiest order, bearer of the emptiest head, sleaze bag of the lowest and filtiest order.
Journo: Mr Abbott, is it true you have visited Archbishop Pell?
Abbot: No, I have not.
Journo: You have not visited Dr Pell?
Abbott: No! well, well, well, so what if I have visited Dr Pell? What is wrong with that? Why should I visit Dr Pell, after all…
Zeus help you if you’re a woman and want to take the pill; or Levonelle; or ru 486; or want an abortion. Zeus help you if you are in excruciating pain, with nill prospects of life quality and want to take the road of euthanasia. Zeus help you if you want to rid your child’s classroom of the grubs crawling out of the christian churches, or jewish synagogues or muslim mosques.
Zeus help you if you utter words against huge kleptokractic conglomerates, or war mongering rulers. Or if you utter objections to unfair dismissal laws, inhumane working conditions, inhumane wages, inhumane civil or criminal laws, inhumane treatment of animals or detained refugees.
But, I admit, you’d do well if you like wearing budgie smugglers and parading up and down every beach. Or riding a push bike and sweating from every pore but keeping your brain totally inactive.
Or telling people not to believe you unless you’ve got things written down, signed and proofread; and then still be a doubting Thomas.
The prick is a prick!
Not one of them good pricks that contribute in some little way to the sexual gratification of some people but a truly mean, lying, deceptive, vicious, underhanded, cynical prick whose only goal in life is to destroy everything that is good in life, including sexual pleasure.
OK, I’m in a bit of a hurry so I’ll stop here. I hope you’ll get my drift though, ey, laddie?
No, he’s make a shameful PM for Oz or any country for that matter.
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“Or if you utter objections to unfair dismissal laws, inhumane working conditions, inhumane wages, inhumane civil or criminal laws, inhumane treatment of animals or detained refugees.”
Ok, I didn’t know that there were any here.
At least you didn’t abuse me. As Algy and Vivienne did. Thanks for that.
I don’t know why people are so abusive about politics.I think that Gillard and Swan are useless at their job. But good manners forbid me from abuse, such as is heaped on Abbott. Or indeed as Algy said, ” However, if people choose to ignore you because you’re talking bollocks then don’t be suprised. Or haven’t you noticed.”
I labelled & bracketed ONE part of his tirade about ‘treason’ that I thought was gobbledygook. I still have absolutely no idea what he was writing about. Do you?
You have to attack their work. Not the person.
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“I don’t know why people are so abusive about politics.I think that Gillard and Swan are useless at their job. But good manners forbid me from abuse, such as is heaped on Abbott. Or indeed as Algy said, ” However, if people choose to ignore you because you’re talking bollocks then don’t be suprised. Or haven’t you noticed.””
VL if you think or feel that I’ve abused you then I apoligise for that, that was not my intent. However, could I suggest you reread your posts here though and apply the same.
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The rough equivalent of those parties would be One Nation. It did get up to 9% federally, but then lost ground. That’s not to say that we’d never a party like that more support again.
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The tragic case of the Waterlow son Nick knifing both dad and sister to death managed to get a plea based on insanity. He admits he did a terrible thing but will now spend many years in a psychiatric hospital ward rather than a prison. His father tried for years to get something done about his sick son. The failure to have something done by the Government cost him and his daughter their lives.
To have someone mentally ill committed into professional care is very difficult to achieve here. It should be made much easier. Even so, Norway has good care for the mentally ill but Breivnik was the typical psychopath presenting such normality, noone picked up on it. Terrible.
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That checklist could cover just about any politician you’d care to name, but one in particular comes to my mind.
I wonder can any of you children guess who I’m thinking of?
Yes that’s right Noddy, I’m thinking of Big Ears!
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Pasted from a UK tabloid:
In the chaos that erupted when Anders Breivik began shooting, Andrine Johansen ran from the camp on Utoya island to the waterside.
The 16-year-old hid behind a rock and jumped into the water – a split-second decision she believes saved her life.
Breivik, 32, found the young Labour party member and looked her in the eye before firing three times at her.
But as the water made the hooded top she was wearing expand, she believes it was harder for Breivik to hit her body directly even though he did manage to wound her.
In addition, she believes, the cold temperature helped clot her blood. This stemmed the flow from her wounds and allowed her to survive as she played dead for 30 minutes.
From her hospital bed, the teenager told how she came face to face with the man who killed 76.
Andrine, who was attending the camp with friends, said: ‘I looked the killer straight in the eyes as he pointed his gun straight towards me and shot three times. I was wearing boots and a large hoodie.
‘When I was lying in the water the hoodie filled with water and it blew up like a balloon and made me look bigger than I really am.’
More…
‘Anders Breivik is evil, not mad’: Norwegian intelligence chiefs put mass killer through psychiatric tests in jail
‘Extremism will be met with more democracy’: Norwegian PM defiant as under-fire police reveal they saved 600 people on terror island
New Zealand schoolgirl, 14, named as the youngest victim of Norwegian gunman
The first of three ‘dum-dum’ bullets hit her on the right side of the chest, shattering into splinters and perforating her lung.
The second went through the shoulder of her hooded top and missed her. The third hit her in the foot.
Only a psychopathic homicidal maniac could do that. Hanging is too good?
What do you think Asty? (We’ve discussed it before.) I know that you don’t believe in Capital Punishment, but I imagine that some of the parents will want that.
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When we use the term “evil” rather than applying a psychiatric appellation to those similarly broken as this young norseman, we are in a sense distancing ourselves from the notion that what has been done has a human dimension. We would rather believe that some other agency, perhaps supernatural, had “made” him behave this way.
However, even Christians don’t believe the Devil can “make you do it”. Apparently, according to a Jesuit friend of mine, the Devil is without creative agency in the world, so it appears that whatever Breivik did, he did for his own contorted and peculiar human reasons. You see, from the same Jesuit source, we humans do have creative agency in the world. We call it free will, and apparently the Christians do too.
So sadly he’s just another broken human who believed too strongly in the great western post war mythos that he could have anything, be anyone he wanted to be, including King of The World. All “evil” is ultimately banal and mundane human aberration.
Now the truth is that he’s more of a psychiatric curiosity than anything else; worthy of ongoing study that will not benefit him, but may help the rest of us understand how he became so damaged that he was no longer, “one of us.”
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It was never obvious that he’d be diagnosed as criminally insane, even though he sounds like a nutter. Even if he was, it wouldn’t exclude the possibility that he is “evil”, merely the possibility of convicting him for it. Insanity doesn’t make people any more or less evil than sanity does.
Sometimes the answer to the question of “mad or bad” can be “both”.
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Yes you’re right Vox Pop. if he hadn’t killed all those people we’d never have likely known how unbalanced he is.
We tend to let people think whatever the hell they like, no matter how crazy, even shout it about the place; but it is his actions, not his thoughts or words, that determine his criminality.
His insanity is however, another, somewhat vexed issue, coming as it does with an interesting twist. He knew that what he was doing was wrong, he elocuted to the fact; but none the less felt compelled to act out his plan as a matter of historical necessity. You see he believed he had to do it, but it was still his choice to do it.
It’s my belief that if we don’t accept that he is just like us, or at least once was, that we are all capable of extreme acts of violence provided we believe the circumstances extreme enough, then we miss the first and most important lesson; that this particular fruit cake was baked in a slow oven at home, and the cake was entirely for domestic consumption.
Questions that seek to parse his madness and or badness and the balance between them, can be left to professionals over a lifetime of psychiatric incarceration.
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I disagree. When insane or mentally ill the ‘badness’ becomes less, and, depending on the level of insanity, so does the responsibility for bad actions by that person.
Of course, in Australia a defense based on ‘insanity’ is extremely difficult to achieve. Hence so many mentally ill get convicted of crimes and end up in our jails.
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Of the top of my head, it seems unlikely that the Norwegian guy could plead criminal insanity. In Australia, or indeed in Norway. Since criminal insanity implies that someone is “incapable of distinguishing between (legal) right and wrong or appreciating the nature of his or her actions at the time of the offense” and this guy said he knew it was wrong, but that it was necessary. But legal things are tricky so I really wouldn’t know.
It’s a bit of a minefield, isnt it, gerard? But if an “evil” person were to develop a mental illness, I don’t belive it would lessen their evilness. It might certainly make them not responsible for their actions though.
Obviously someone could be thoroughly convinced that he was Napoleon, and still commit murder. If on the other hand he though the victim was an English soldier and he was in the middle of a battle, he could presumably plead criminally insane.
Cases have to be reviewed on their merits.
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I suppose my meta point is that there, but for the grace of dogs, could go us all; with the right ingredients.
This is no way diminishes our legitimate desire to protect ourselves from such as he if and when we discover his dirty work. Unfortunately Breivik’s kind of psychopath is not the sharing kind, so we hardly ever discover them until their insane handiwork is all to obvious.
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Damn, Iv’e just popped in and have to go out again. Just my luck when there is ‘in-line’ discussion.
Surely one cannot show compassion for this guy, no matter how mad he is?
He doesn’t need help. He needs incarcerating at least; but really a flogging every day. I mean we are assuming that he is just a bit weird. He is a serial lkiller….The bomb before?
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Good point about the compulsion, Warrigal.
I might be capable of committing murder. But not like that. Most likely in my case would be to kill someone like that who was damaging my children, but in such a way as the law couldn’t/wouldn’t touch him. But even then I’d be too afraid of the nightmares.
Personally I’d be glad to see all sociopaths executed and put out in the rubbish bin.
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Then again, if they could be permanently removed from society, I’d be just as happy. I’d be scared they’d be smart enough to get out in ten or twenty years though.
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Only 88 posts to go 🙂
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“Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.”
Now that is riveting stuff, gerard. Unbelievable really.
Next time I’m up at the local surf club, I’ll take my portable lie detector. I bet that I can squeeze it into my knapsack, next to my bull-shit meter.
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I would believe the lie-detector thing. I think it’s connected to absence of shame, and having already fooled so many people so much of the time.
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I don’t either but he sometimes has the temerity to appear on ABC’s ‘Insider’ and am just not as agile as I used to be in remoting him out off the screen.
Kerry O’Brian and Barry Casidy would never pass the test of ‘unlined unlived faces’. I just thought that Scott Morrison also has a rather too smooth a face not to be considered as a possible contender for having sociopathic tendencies.
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I noticed that one of the Asylum seekers had some of those features. Of course it’s impossible to say really though, because he had paid nearly $40,000.00 to get to the camp; had lost his silly identity card…and was , quite rightly, indignant!
Anyways, who am I to judge?
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I read of one that had paid $50,000.00 M’Lord.
He must have really struggled at home.
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Sounds Like Paul Keating.
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No, not our Keating, he fails the smooth face criteria, his face shows love, kindness ,suffering and humour 🙂
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I can never forgive Bleating for manhandling The Queen. Bloody spiv. Now I know that he’s gay, it all adds up 😦
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Given that according to the sources at the time, HM wasn’t offended by Keating’s ‘manhandling’, then perhaps the Poms should just get over it.
BTW it probably doesn’t matter whether he’s straight, gay or bestial as to they way he behaves with royalty!
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Funston, are saying that any man who puts his arm around the queen, must be gay?
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I think that Funston is spouting about, what is only a rumour. Personally I don’t believe it. But…………This is off the Internet; notoriously a rumour cauldron.
Subject: Australia’s first gay Prime Minister
Author: Clubsprint
Date: 13 May 2009
Paul Keating is gay?
By infinitetruth
It surprises me that people still ask this question and react with any
degree of surprise when they hear the answer. For all intents and purposes
it’s an open secret that Paul Keating lives with his boyfriend in Potts
Point and pursues an actively homosexual lifestyle. The only reason it
remains a “rumour” is that journalists are unwilling to publicly acknowledge
the fact before Keating himself decides to come out of the closet. While
that’s terribly kind of them it does makes you wonder about the quality of
our democracy when the press choose to keep information from the electorate.
Why if you were Paul Keating would you decide to stay in the closet? Well,
he probably figures that he’d break the hearts of the true-believers if he
acknowledged his homosexuality. Your average blue-collar worker doesn’t
identify too easily with a “bloody poofter bastard” as Keating himself would
know full well having, at least in the initial stages of his career, had
such an intimate relationship with the trade union movement. It is tempting
to suggest that the contempt with which he treated working Australians while
Prime Minister hints at an underlying bitterness.
Keating’s vanity prevents him from admitting his homosexuality, his
arrogance cements the denial. This colossal ego could not stand to brook
anything that might belittle him in the eyes of his adoring faithful or
sully his place in history in their hearts and minds. One is tempted to
think that amidst the narcissism there is self-loathing but that fails to
understand the conniving political animal that is Keating and attributes too
much humanity. In all probability he just views it as another politic lie he
has to tell in order to maintain the legitimacy of his legacy.
One feels some measure of sympathy for his partner; made an object of shame
and publicly shunned by his lover during Keating’s life, relegated to the
back pews at his state funeral and ultimately written out of the public
record as though he never existed. All courtesy of Keating, his minders and
a complicit press corps. The character of a man that could be so cruel bears
thinking upon.
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I am sure that it is just made up.
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I am sure that it is just made up.
Although I have met some chaps who’ve been to, shall we say, all male parties, where the aforementioned was a prominent guest.
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😉 I’m sure 😉
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I could not care rats tails about what sex our leaders are, male female, gay, lesbian, middle sex or sexless. The main thing for me is that they are good leaders, and that’s why I hope and pray that Abbott will never to be our PM.
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What’s the one thing that you hate most about Abbott, Helvi?
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May I answer you, laddie? (re what I hate most on Abbott?)
Everything between the tip of his hollow head and his heels. The rest is OK, if you’re a mongrel.
Is that alright?
Ta muchly.
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Some of us male nurses move in queer circles.
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VL, I don’t dislike Abbott just because he is a Liberal, I don’t mind Turnbull at all…
To me Abbott is a bully-boy, he’s a sportsman and to him winning is everything at ANY cost, he is not very articulate for a politician who wants be our PM , and his favourite word is ‘NO’, he has no policies, he has got a fifties mentality, he’s worse than Howard…
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Julian, I was going through a furniture store the other day and I came across a stool. Sort of reminded me of someone
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That’s a bit strong Hung. I know that she has red hair, but really. ………
Can’t you save your observations for the Pub…..Oh hang on a minute.
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Just sayin 🙂
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Actually I was being bloody awful, welcome back old son
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I know a couple of sociopaths, I try to avoid them as much as possible, and can’t really tell if their faces are smooth or wrinkled… I only glance at them fleetingly.
I don’t know if Breivik is one of them, I’m certainly baffled by his Australian heroes …
I don’t read Bolt’s offerings and I turn the TV off if he or Ackerman appears on The Insiders.
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The Wiki extract matches with my experience.
I have my doubts however that a good complexion is a reliable indicator of sociopathic tendencies.
The jibe at Bolt seems, well, kind of silly.
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Spot on. Bolt certainly lacks empathy and is a constant liar.
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Don’t read his writings then. I don’t.
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Know your enemy. Never read it all – makes one sick – but keep tabs and know what he is up to and what others are therefore reading and viewing. Bolt is a serial teller of fibs and spreader of misinformation.
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