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http://www.change.org/petitions/legal-caseworker-protect-julian-assange-from-being-extradited
If you believe that Julian Assange and his Wiki-Leaks plays a role in letting the world know what really goes on, perhaps you would like to sign the above petition.
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So much nonsense is written about this. A lot of similar nonsense was written about DSK.
One focus is on flaws in the legal system in Sweden (Assange) and USA (DSK). But there aren’t any legal systems without flaws; what they’re talking about is different flaws from the ones they’re used to. Anyway, what’s a flaw in some contexts is a plus in another. The law has a difficult balancing act.
Another focus is on the honey-trap angle, by US subverted Swedes (Assange) or a French subverted American (DSK). The bottom line here to me is that being famous/powerful can’t be allowed to confer the right to commit rape with impunity. So the accused famous/powerful have to go through the process the same as everyone else. Claiming honey-trap just doesn’t cut it. Really, if Assange feared a honey-trap he could have kept it in his pants. But since this is a very high price to pay for fame and power he might at least have restricted himself to taking it out for people he who knew a bit better. Then again he might have treated his sexual partners with a bit more consideration.
With Assange there’s also the thing that he might be extradited to the US and executed. This really sounds very far-fetched. Surely Britain has an extradition agreement with the US. Pause for 10 second check on the web. Yes it does. Also you don’t have to look very far for the source of this rumour. It is Assange himself. Now why would he do that? I wonder.
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“…being famous/powerful can’t be allowed to confer the right to commit rape with impunity.”
Agreed, Voice, but is it actually ‘rape’ he’s accused of? I thought it was a much less serious charge; but to be honest I haven’t really been paying much attention…
From what you say about Britain’s extradition treaty with the US (I must say that thought DID puzzle me a little, but as I said, I haven’t been paying much attention) and the source of the rumour, perhaps VL is right; perhaps I AM ready for medication and a rubber mallett… But I just don’t like to think of anyone, famous or otherwise, being railroaded by the US (or ANY) government.
Oh well… just lead me to the padded room… now, pills… could I have some of those pretty red ones… and maybe some of those little blue ones…?
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Well… I signed the petition anyway… How much good it will do is anyone’s guess; my guess is that the thugs in the US govt. aren’t about to let any petition stand in the way of their revenge… I hope I’m wrong.
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The Swedish Judiciary is not controlled by The US, T2.
You may take it lightly that these girls accuse him of misconduct, & you may take it lghtly that his staff have called him a monster, but surely it’s only fair and just that he gets his chance to tell all under oath. That’s the correct way.
Of course if there ‘is’ another way; speak up loud and clear!
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So I take it that you’re for the extradition?
But what if, as seems likely, the charges brought against Assange (which seem to have been prompted by agents of the US govt) are frivolous and the extradition of Assange to Sweden is just a means of getting him somewhere the US can extradite him from?
You say the Swedish judiciary is not controlled by the US, but I think you underestimate the reach of the US government’s tentacles… at the very least they are engaged in a manipulation using the Swedish legal system as their tool.
Were the US to guarantee that Assange would not be extradited from Sweden, I’d probably say okay, go ahead and let Assange face the charges against him… I doubt they’ll stand up in court anyway; but it seems to me that there are far deeper issues than Assange’s peccadilloes; and that whatever purpose may be served by this extradition process, it certainly isn’t ‘justice’…
Perhaps a better way of solving this might be to have the case heard in a country which has no extradition treaty with the US; given the international ramifications of this case, perhaps they should even hear the trial in the UK… any expense in getting the accusers and any witnesses to the UK is certainly outweighed by the importance internationally of achieving a truly just result. Perhaps the Hague might even be the proper venue for a case such as this…
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I don’t see that the US come into it. Not in this trial.
If’n they wanted to charge him with something, they could do it in The UK.
You’ve been reading too many conspiracy mags.
An Australian adventure has been accused of a sex crime in Sweden. His trial will take place there.
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Well… I suppose we’ll find out whether or not you’re correct, Vectis Lad, when the extradition takes place, as I think it will, regardless of any petition. If the US then extradite him from Sweden, you’ll be proven wrong… if they don’t, then I’ll be proven wrong, and quite happy to be so.
BTW, I don’t read mags of any sort, let alone ‘conspiracy’ mags… I wouldn’t even know the name of any of the latter… It’s true, though, that many years ago, I did enjoy reading an occasional fishing magazine or two.
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I am definitely for the extradition. He should have the chance to clear his name. Don’t you think?
I see it as serving no purpose to avoid examining the claims. My understanding is that it is just a hearing, not a trial.
Being accused of a crime, warrants examination. If he didn’t do it, he’s got nothing to worry about.
I don’t know why, but when I first saw him in the news and then speaking, I just formed an opinion that he was slightly unsavoury–a chancer, is a term that I would have used in London.
His ex-fellow-employees-cum-colleagues, have also derided him.
There maybe some green-eye there any way. However releasing private files and cables is silly really. It interests me not one jot
It’s all de-facto anyways.
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The chance to clear his name is one thing Vectis Lad; the chance to be extradited to the US where he could face a death penalty is quite another! It is disingenuous of you to suggest that the only issue here is the ‘chance to clear his name’…
Is his being ‘slightly unsavory’ or a ‘chancer’ any reason to help the thugs in the US government to get their revenge in the most drastic possible manner? You may think so and that’s your prerogative… but I don’t!
Gotta go now and watch Dr Strangelove!
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OK, well you will see this on your return. I’ve just been Skyping to the UK, so couldn’t get back to you anyway.
What I can’t see, is, what hasd all this got to do with The USA??
You keep bringing them up?
This lad, is being extradited to answer some questions about his behaviour with two women OK?
Can you supply me with some information that involves The USA?
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Well, from snippets of news that I’ve heard, the word is that those women were ‘persuaded’ by agents of the US government to press charges they otherwise wouldn’t have (how, I don’t know, but money, as they say, talks…) so as to get Assange extradited from the UK (from which he can’t be extradited to the USA) to Sweden (where he CAN be extradited to the USA).
The reason? Perfectly obvious, despite your obtuseness, Vectis Lad: Revenge! The US government was not at all happy with Mr Assange’s dedication to truth and democracy, or the fact that he’s been leaking stuff the US government would much rather have kept quiet.
Just wait a while and watch, VL… if Assange is extradited to Sweden, he’ll be extradited from there to the USA before you can say ‘Wikileaks’! Maybe even before he gets to stand trial for his so-called ‘sex-crimes’… Wait and see…
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So your ‘evidence is, “Well, from snippets of news that I’ve heard, the word is”!
You mean rumour of course? Don’t be offended, if’n I call that conjecture, AND conspiracy theorising.
It’s amazing how some bright spark, either in a solicitor’s office or publicity dept, can dream that up and have it regurgitated, until it seems like it wasn’t made up.
That’s usually granny and ant’s domain. I’d accept it from them ,as they’re crackpots, but you normally sensible.
When you get to see your doc again for pain killers for your foot, ask for some “sensible” medication and a big rubber mallet 🙂
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Just wait and see, Vectis Lad… it’s not such a far-fetched ‘conspiracy’ as you seem to think. It may be conjecture at present… but if the US do extradite him from Sweden, as I have already said, this will prove me right and you wrong… So then we’ll see who needs the ‘medication and a rubber mallett’!
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I followed the links and, to my surprise, received a reply from the Attorney General this morning.
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If’n youse write to Ffunston, his automated response will thank you and wish you well, while he is the sauna, sweating out the effects of lobster, champagne and brandy.
He won’t know that you enquired, until he wakes up and has a cold plunge in the icy pool.
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Dear Lord Funston,
Thanks for blessing us with your witticisms.
Your gratefully,
Mark
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Your signed petition will be acknowledged.
Here it is; Thank you for your message to the Attorney-General, The Hon Robert McClelland MP and for bringing your views to the Government’s attention. If you have supplied a postal address, a reply may be sent to you via Australia Post. Your message may also be forwarded to other Federal Ministers for their consideration.
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Thanks, Gez. Did so.
One of the most vulgar exhibitions of USA thuggery.
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” You can’t handle the Truth”!
Jack Nicholson.
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Ironic that you should quote this line, Vectis Lad… It seems to me that it is the USA who cannot handle the truth, and that’s why they’re so keen on getting their revenge on Assange.
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Please explain T2?
What has Assenge’s behaviour with two Swedish women, got to do with AMERICA????
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I think that we are really at the stage where you must produce some evidence to back up your assertion 🙂
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Please see my response to Voice at the top of the page, Vectis Lad; it’s a provisional capitulation… I say provisional, ’cause I still think it’s worth waiting to see what happens after they extradite Assange to Sweden… but IF, as Voice asserts, the UK does have an extradition treaty and IF, as Voice again asserts, the source of the rumor is Assange himself (and it’s just conceivably possible that this is just another anti-Assange rumor itself!), then perhaps I was too quick to sign the petition… but only perhaps…
Anyway all those red and blue pills are making me woozy… maybe I need to try some of the green ones… and the little yellow ones look interesting too…
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I’ve seen all that you wombat. I HAVE MY EMAIL ALERT ON !!!!!
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Yes it’s Assange, but the source is unimportant. It’s a story that would have been made up by someone else if he didn’t. Not saying he doesn’t believe it to be true; he may well do for all I know.
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Oh well, he can always write his story–someday–and get paid.
I reckon he’s a wanker.
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[Obvious comment left unsaid here]
In the sense that you mean it, so do I VL. On the other hand, some quite talented and accomplished people are also wankers.
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You mean like Salvadore Dali, Voice?
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