Story, Drawing and Photograph by Sandshoe
Let’s have a bit of a look at the status of women in Australia.
As of the 2008 Census 50.3% of the population was female. In all states except West Australia and the Northern Territory there were more women than men. Home in on the single and ageing population, as if the 54.5% of Australia’s singles who were counted as females does not have a passle of work enough to accomplish to maintain that household…over the age of 65 there were 2.4 women for every single person male household.
Women will experience more resentment than they do now not less and neglect as they age. (I didn’t say men are or aren’t/don’t… whatever! This article, putting it simply, is not about men!)
My instinct rang an alert in regard of a statistic referencing education…that while women marginally outnumbered men at all qualification levels, they did not for Certificates III or IV and Post-Graduate qualifications. The difference between the numbers of women and men attaining Certificates III or IV is so large in favour of the male gender I beg that discrimination is the reason.
The deficit in this particular for women is significant, importantly because of National Training Authority imposed and legislated standards, considering the status of women’s employment in positions that exclude applicants who have not attained Certificates III or IV. Educators at certain levels must have those.
Discrimination ought to turn victims into beggars. Instead I posit …and don’t waste time in your head on the sidelines, anybody, giving yourself dry rot that you store up and remember for years about the way I write or words I employ … Australian women are captives of a host of cultural reasons why they will neither beg or expect men to organise to compensate women for the insidious position women occupy, however well-educated otherwise women are.
Women are among the worst offenders who harangue and bully women…who cheat, lie, steal and thieve from women (so we understand this isn’t intended to place you at the centre of the evil empire, men).
The permutations and combinations that make up men who identify as male and women who identify themselves comfortably as female is so complex, too, can we possibly pole vault the rubbish about what women and men are best suited for at any one moment or other? Equally get over citing ourselves as not like everyone else in this important regard?
I feel very sorry, but we are locked in it (together) with all its consequences.
Females are so few who undertake Engineering compared with men it is no surprise to me female engineers are paid more than men (as are female earth sciences graduates … and, curiously, social work graduates where there is no deficit in the numbers compared with men). Yet twice as many women as men completed Society and Culture courses and three times as many completed Health and Education courses. Some might suggest the under-representation of women in Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s Cabinet looks distinctly discriminatory viewed alongside this insight.
Surely the principle is easily understood that a government needs a hefty complement of participants who understand the fiscal and education system in the context of society and culture. Who it works for is essential knowledge. Speaking from the collective viewpoint called social, societal or society depending on which language tool someone uses to present or talk about this stuff, not for our wives, daughters and our sisters is as good as remaindered knowledge for all the insight that is shone on what this is doing to our present and future. Particularly regarding how this affects social discourse.
85% of male graduates from Bachelor degree courses and 85% of female graduates were employed at the time of the survey…however women with post graduate qualifications were most likely to be only available for part time or casual work and not seeking full-time employment. One reason will continue to be the abominable behaviour a woman may be subject to in any societal environment in which men are promoted over women on the sole basis of prejudice against women. The discrepancy is considerable however comparing male and female ordinary graduates and more significant again comparing Graduate Diploma and Certificate Level graduands. The second of those statistics is disturbing viewed in the light as it is that the overall number of women accomplishing Certificate III/IV courses is so far behind the sheer numbers of men.
Apprenticeship and traineeship numbers tell a story of blatant prejudice (I am not saying who is demonstrating prejudice in this reference or either in what direction!)
Women made up 33% of apprentices and trainees in 2007 (telling it like it factually was). More than 61% of all apprentices and trainees were male in trades persons and related workers occupations and 16.5% were women. Women made up more than twice the number of men in Intermediate clerical, sales and service groups. Women made up just over 13% of Intermediate production and transport workers in 2007.
The concept of discrimination based on gender (this is me talking now and not a statistician; neither the statistician) will not mean a thing to anybody who hasn’t got the swing. The size of the differences between these categories is a wrecking ball. A society in which an economic landscape is differentiated so distinctly by differences in gender has a workplace communication problem. The problem in domestic environments goes without saying when we know next to nothing about the others’ work places.
No?
Funny are the naysayers. They cause me to remember being singled out for consultation that because I was “a doctor’s wife” I would know such-and-such about a medical condition. Even my reputation won for being a femme who holds strong viewpoints backed by some knowledge was discriminated against ie took on the chin a lesser status purely on the basis of my marriage and gender. Forget about my qualifications and status in society and culture. Do a mob if they thought about it honestly suppose that a non-medical man (say, a plumber) married to a female medical practitioner would be swept up at a party and manipulated ostensibly to account for their specific knowledge about medical practice?
No because our societal consequences do not run on songlines of knowledge and appreciation of human need and comfort, but on what societal tendency is in vogue or entrenched. We accept until we are challenged…and even after…things we believe on the basis of nothing but systemic manipulation and discrimination according to race, colour, culture, status and creed. Add gender.
People like to get a leg over others and get as much as others if not more of the social pie.
There is not enough of everybody (speaking statistically) employed in enough of the same or similar environments to practically disseminate information and educate each other regards what’s going on. No society needs the discrimination and penury women are subject to, but it sure as hell does not need the emotional and cultural deprivation Australia is suffering as result of the absence of a common language and roadmap based on an understanding of gender, of how to choose the tools needed for each common task and allocate basic resources.
Leaving it to hit and miss or ‘Strike!’ from the sidelines and side-lined is an abysmal method of governance. If it is not clear and if we cannot take for granted there are many shades of love and many descriptive differences between men and women … and proscriptive…and that we have to understand this language (Gender) and accept dialogue about it and its fallacies, we cannot heal the consequences of this loss and waste of the talent of both men and women that is affecting our country and economy so badly. Ask women if you have not already ….who try to tell you and you and you … how it makes them feel. Refer to your brothers, husbands and sons who are turned on to issues of gender discrimination and its saddest consequences. Think about how you feel challenged.
Who am I addressing? All of us. Does anyone honestly think I am proposing myself at a centre of a universe after the breadth of experience I have clearly had? Sitting on a sideline, come out and reveal yourself as gender challenged, but willing to concede the waste of time you and you and you apportion argument about it; argument particularly that it doesn’t happen in our place of residence, workplace and affect our very own children who are now independent and having their children.
Look at the government we’ve got. The satirical line of The Year Of Three sung by The Axis of Awesome at the end of the Australian Broadcasting Commission’s programme last night, Q & A, lays it on as thick as a layer of nothing but spreadable butter in reference to gender and the current Prime Minister: [he] put a whole woman in his Cabinet and lots of other splendid shit. SEE LINK: http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s3878650.htm
I may write some more if anybody shows interest that I do in reference to gender. How I came to this week was in light of current circumstance and looking out some .pdf files I saved down a while back. I cannot see from where I derived them individually . Nevertheless their contents are displayed on this website as follows:

Shoe – I presume all your stats are correct. I might just add that similar stats for say each decade between 1950 onwards would be revealing. I remember our local paper doing a rather good article on the first female apprentice motor mechanic. In Albury-Wodonga there are more young women getting into trades and excelling (thank goodness). Women drive taxis here too – something I never saw decades ago. (Just to put some perspective on it – women used to have to quit their job (in many employment areas) when they got married – I couldn’t understand that even way back in the 60s when I saw it happening. Living ‘in sin’ was not common.) I just think we must all endeavour to bring up our daughters to be as strong, independent and educated as possible. And, that sons must also be brought up to respect women in all ways. It is a fact that we are all a bit slow on gender and employment and achieving etc in Australia. I think it’s a hanger on from British rule and the free settler entitlement mentality – see treatment of Aboriginals, so-called orphan kids shipped off to Australia and treated badly – if you weren’t part of the born to rule you got treated like shit. Finally, my grandmother was the only girl in the family – six brothers. She got 1 year at school and her job was to help cook and clean and wash etc. She was illiterate and never had her reading glasses. Finally, finally, women must speak up otherwise shit keeps on happening.
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Yes, 1950 statistics would be revealing.To think how recently that is, that your grandmother was deprived of choice. It engenders in me fear. And now we have this juncture when political consequence presents young women with this terrible situation … trying to remember how Julie Bishop phrased it when challenged about the scarce number of women in government, that there are some coming up or through? That really is shit happening right there that she feels compelled to protect the status quo.
Your comment provides so much to think about, Vivienne.
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To add more perspective, my grandmother was born in 1897 (or 1896) or thereabouts – she was never 100% certain. She came to live with us in 1957 after grandfather died. She died in 1988. She was lovely.
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That really is perspective, Vivienne. She was living through our modern era and seeing these enormous changes in social meaning. So interesting that you were growing up with a grandmother in your home. My own touchstone is my grandfather came to live with us c. 1957, although his years were advanced (leastwise poor health) and my experience was mostly of seeing him nursed …primarily by my loving mother and my brother who was a High School senior. Grandad Bill was born in 1874 (so that’s a lot of difference, isn’t it!) and died in 1960. But that was excellent happy time.
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Happy birthday, Vivienne lass, in your birthday bonnet! 🙂 That is cool!
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As an only child I always took everything in – all the stories of stuff long ago. My greatgrandmother lived to 96, dying in 1966. I knew her fairly well too but she remained living in Adelaide. She visited us regularly as did we her. One of the many sons fought in WWI and WWII – enlisting when too young and when too old. He survived minus a few fingers and lived in Melbourne. Shoe, I think you and I are the same age. I’m 64 this Sunday 1st December.
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Birthday lass soon. We are close. I was 63 on 15 July. Isn’t that unbelievably neat. Lol. We both have neat birthdays so can hardly forget. 🙂
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One small difference – I was born in the first half of last century and you were born in the second half of last century. But there is less than 5 months between. hehehe 🙂
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Wouldn’t 1950 place it in the first half of the 20th Century if 1901 was the first year?
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Well Happy Birthday Vivenne for tomorrow, may there be many more.
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Happy Birthday for Sunday, Viv. Mine is on the 11th of December, so you are another lovely Sagittarius 🙂
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Happy Birthday Viv…Gee, you write so youthfully I thought you would be about 49,… 52 at the max.
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Yes, Algy I knew someone would come to the point of when a century starts. It all goes back to the first year of counting. I’m one of the few who stubbornly disagree that we don’t start with the number 1. The whole thing about Jesus seems to ignore that a whole year had to transpire before he turned 1 and to me that means that the first year was a big 0.
Helvi – I remember too that you are a Saggie.
Gerard – we may be older year by year but it doesn’t mean our minds and attitudes get creaky and fossilised or whatever. I’m really pretty cool!
Birthday celebrations were held last night at the wonderful Broadgauge restaurant in Wodonga. Second daughter’s birthday is the 29th so we have a combined nosh up in style.
Thanks for the birthday wishes.
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On the 14th December we are off to see Jimmy Barnes and Ian Moss do a big gig at the Woolshed joint east of town – it’s near where we first lived when we came to Albury. One of my birthday presents is a trip to Melbourne with daughters and lots of Korean BBQ yummy tucker. We have our priorities in the right order!
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Happy Birthday for today, young Viv!
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The ed. and I had a short conference earlier (ed. sent me an email and I have replied).
Just sayin’ for now. There are errata.
Ed, wanted to know what something meant. I added that I had too found a confusing bit. Either I chopped words out or put them in the wrong place and who knows, but excuse me for now …it is sooo hot here. Back later. Chores to do in the garden to compensate the heat of the day.
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I need to (must) read this again before offering any half decent comment. I had a lovely lunch/afternoon in Rutherglen.
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This is a hard one for me. One sister is an Engineering lecturer, the other got a Shell scholarship to Cambridge to study mathematical physics, then got a very senior position with an Australian multi-national from which she retired in her forties and built her dream mansion. I am the black sheep as I’m just in IT.
I have a nephew who’s married to a doctor and his life does take a bit of a back place to hers – because her doctor training requirements are so all consuming at this stage in addition to her actual doctor work (hospital training, then further specialist training).
I think a lot of it comes down to women’s expectations for themselves. We were raised to think it was normal for women to do these things – I was completely unprepared for the hostility from men who felt personally insulted that I had a job that required more smarts than theirs, or that I earned more than them. Quite bizarre really. Sometimes their wives felt very threatened as well.
All those areas still have significant discrimination towards women.
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It comes down perhaps to our collective expectation what we want our society to ‘look like’. How do we want it to affect productivity. What do we want it to display. On a personal level, what can we make of a society in which we know a skilled female worker ought not be affronted in her workplace by the appearance on a wall of a travel poster displaying a bare-breasted female teenager in a rice paddy field hat and sarong skirt ‘Come to Sunny ….. ‘ . Aggravating enough when the worker is fulfilling a specialist function, but because she ignores the poster as best she can is asked what she thinks of it. There are a trillion examples. it’s not an isolated example.
This is what our culture can be naming it.
If truly you think it’s women’s expectations for themselves that a lot of it comes down to, when are we all going to escape that idea, Voice, or discard it? It’s another specific drop-off point in our unhealthy society and isolates women.
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I have no doubt whatsoever that a lot of it is women’s expectations for themselves; certainly at the level of what educational qualifications they get or what professions/careers they undertake; if any.
It’s no coincidence that 3 girls in my family went into Science/Engineering type roles. Not just doing a degree, but getting work in the field for which we trained. It’s how we were raised.
Don’t think you can teach me anything about discrimination towards women in the workforce. I’ve seen more half-naked posters on office dividers than you’ve had hot dinners. It’s not always about bullying the woman though – in which case they get taken down, positioned more discretely, or apologised for. For example, in one case the guy who had a poster of women playing beach volleyball was a beach volley ball player; and he apologized and presented this excuse before I’d ever even noticed the poster, and did so in a friendly way. Other times, it’s been an all male workplace until my arrival. One place I felt uncomfortable because the poster was positioned next to the whiteboard, so I got the key, snuck in after dark and painted a women’s lib symbol on the poster in bright green; getting my Japanese friend to write in Japanese “XYZ did this” and suggesting next morning that the trendy lefty guy in the office had done it or one of this friends. This defused the situation for me. (That was when I was silly enough to think Japanese was a secret language – fortunately the Japanese post-grad who turned up one day and asked “Who’s XYZ” didn’t arrive until several months later.)
Other times though, the posters are accompanied by unpleasant remarks and used, as you more or less say, to express that they have some kind of problem with a woman being there and want to make it the woman/women’s problem too.
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I’ve still to re-read Shoe’s piece. But, Gawd ! Voice, I don’t see this as all being about posters on walls in workplaces. Does that still happen – where men and women worth together? these days?
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I saw the posters thing was relevant. Thdy’rd used to exclude women. Even if the posters are rare there are similar methods. Have a look at Ophelia Benson’s blog. She discusses it a lot.
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Is there a link for her thoughts on this in the Australian workplace. Never heard of her so checked out her website. Looks very interesting and good. I’m looking for the many instances where the nude posters (or whatever) still abound in Aust workplaces.
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The poster theme is from ‘shoe’s comment Vivienne – I just ran with it throwing in a couple of personal anecdotes. I can’t speak for her, but I think it was a random example of women getting put down in the workforce.
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Yes Voice – I just thought you ran a bit too far with it – beach volley ball and all.
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Sorry Vivienne I confess to thinking tangentially again. I don’t agree with the idea that we’re talking about an Australian culture problem so I glossed over it an went to what I think is the real problem, which is a world problem.
I can’t think of any instances of her covering Australian workplaces but she has covered Gillard’s misogyny speech. Her particular focus is on philosophy departments and science departments in unis.
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SM – the article by Shoe commences with these words ‘Let’s have a bit of a look at the status of women in Australia.’ It is not up to you to disagree about what it is about. You can of course suggest that the subject is bigger than Australia.
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sea mendez, hi. If you are saying that the status of women issue is a world-wide problem, yes, that is so true if we are referring to stats. Poverty of women I only know about related to women with children and it’s something horrific. But I am in the dark as to whether you mean the status of Australian women is contingent on the global status of women. The latter might be true. Coming back to focus on Australia, I don’t know what you mean referring to not covering Australian workplaces. I’m completely in the dark (I am sorry!) what you mean by covering Julian Gillard’s misogyny speech. I wasn’t thinking about it at the time. I can’t think now what is ‘covered’ so I will find the speech and listen to it again. Thank you for the comment.
And you’re saying I am speaking mainly about philosophy departments and science departments? I haven’t done that. If you are referring to me, here of course and what are you meaning. I don’t understand that.
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sea mendez, I am right across what Vivienne is referring to. My time was spent writing an article I began with a clear statement what my interest is. I think it’s pretty straight forward …although it does contain a couple of typos that don’t seem to be troubling anybody or of any interest so be it until they are…
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Shoe – SM was referring to Ophelia Benson who is on about philosophy and science depts. Tangents and stuff.
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Thank you Vivienne. I will have a look at catch up with that.
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…than I’ve had hot dinners?
I got that far and anyway, have to get out into the garden before everything expires. Lost interest.
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We’ve all found ourselves more interested in talking than listening on occasion.
The garden takes priority – dead is unrecoverable.
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You’re intolerable.
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You’re intolerant.
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Is there a real dispute here? Am I missing something? I’m confused as hell.
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Voice – you’re mean.
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Hopefully ongoing free character assessments don’t oblige me to keep returning the favour.
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I know you believe I am blunt but you seem to totally not see a problem which sometimes, not always, comes to the fore in your own written words. I had the same reaction as Shoe did to one particular phrase and how it came across. You can very hurtful and mean.
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…before I head off.
I am confident that you’ve whatever or whatsoever than I’ve had hot dinners. I promise you I don’t have many hot dinners. I am so aggravated by the choice of language without any consideration, time spent thinking about, regards what another’s personal reality might be unseen. Would it occur to you that is like a knife? Would it occur to you that I might be actually hungry? Have you forgotten what language is for on a personal level?
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Errata – delete “hot”. My apologies – I had thought that expression common knowledge to native English speakers.
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Don’t worry Shoe. It never takes long with some to get into fights. Some people just thrive on it. Expect sea mendez and DNHF to pop up soon.
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@Voice I understand exactly what you meant by the expression. You know perfectly well I do.
Yes, I am intolerant.
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I am sure that the numbers you are quoting are right and that gender issues remain a battlefield in many places. There are also ingrained societal norms that are hard to move away from. In Eastern European countries, architecture, engineering etc. are very often taken up by women as well as men. There are many more women on building sites and professions are less gender defined. I don’t know how to adjust this unbalance in Australia. We are very fond of ‘convention’.
I am no expert on much but feel that one way might be to abolish same sex education. When I watched the comedy Ja’mie I know that the same could never have been made elsewhere. I often watch the ‘Jane Austin’ dressed school uniformed girls coming out of their schools and I swear, I am watching a re-run of Ja’Mie Private school girls. Look no further in trying to understand where the bullying bitchiness is born.
The same with private boys schools. The manic sport. A few years later, the almost daily procession on TV ABC News, of grown footballers, large chinned, scowling, dark suited, coming from courts being charged with assaulting girl friends, wives, drug taking, drunkenness etc. mumbling they would never do such a thing. Yet, almost each day it gets repeated.
It’s not easy being of either sex.
Very good thought provoking article Shoe; well done.
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I am very taken by your thought, Gez that Ja’aime ‘could never have been made elsewhere’. It hadn’t occurred to me. Of course it couldn’t. Body language, manipulative gestures, accents, the cultural mix would never seem in some environments as realistic …one of this race and one of another and so on … so that the effect of even our smaller population and so much more space to do everything in becomes also apparent to me thinking through the idea. In a place of plenty with so much relative to others, the drama unfolds each week showing the wiles of this horror of a girl and her complicit hangers-on. Her body language dazzles me. I know look-alikes on buses, trains, in streets, in public parks. How she dominates territory. Gets other kids into trouble. In the latest episode in a scene in the school ground where Ja’aime is trying to extend her control to scattered students and groups entirely disengaged from her, that part of her brain that ought to be receptive to rejection and considerations of empathy appears to have been knocked. Surely she is everything we fear in these respects.
She commands such power. How extraordinary she managed to romp away with so much power, but it was by turning up.
Thank you Gez. If we had an editorial board discussing all this material we write and reviewing it before we publish reckon we might polish up like a bought one. 😉
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True Shoe. This is your 45th article. A complete book really.
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That’s nice you’ve got a tally, Gez. I have never thought to look. Adds up.
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Oh, of course, I see. RHS folder in list of ‘Rooms at the Pigs Arms’. Funny.
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