Gay Brisbane man faces deportation to Pakistan and possible jail as relationship not recognised
AM By Nance Haxton
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-03/gay-man-faces-deportation-to-pakistan-as-relationship-not-recog/5183462
A gay man who has been living in Brisbane for four years will be deported next week after his application for a partnership visa was refused.
This will put him at risk of being jailed in the country of his birth for being openly homosexual.
Ali Choudhry grew up in the United States and has few contacts in Pakistan.
He cannot read or write the local language.
He has been in a relationship with Brisbane brain surgeon Dr Matthew Hynd for the past four years.
Mr Choudhry and Dr Hynd were one of the first gay couples in Queensland to register their civil union on March 12, 2012.
It was a significant day that they celebrated with family and friends.
We’re so used to seeing the Pacific rendered in colour, with beautiful, happy shiny people with hibiscus flowers tucked behind their ear.
Ben Bohane
Nearly two years later, Mr Choudhry’s application for a visa recognising his relationship with Dr Hynd has been refused.
He says he cannot understand why theirs is not considered a legitimate long-term partnership.
“We applied for a partnership visa to try and keep me here, and keep us together,” he said.
“For us, for whatever reason, it took about two years, and then even after all that time, it came back as a no.”
Immigration Minister rejects appeal
Mr Choudhry faces harassment and possible life imprisonment in Pakistan for being gay.
Dr Hynd says they do not know what to do.
“The worst case is, Ali will be deported next week on his birthday,” he said.
“You know, what do we do now? To go back to a country where, you know, there is life imprisonment for being gay.
“And, I mean, he grew up in America, he’s never lived in Pakistan.
“By country of birth, yes, but this is a country where he doesn’t read the language – he can speak it – but how are you supposed to then get a job?”
Survived floods to set up business
Mr Choudhry lost all his possessions in the Brisbane floods.
He has since set up a photography business in Brisbane, but is preparing for deportation on January 8.
“Marriage equality and things like that are things that really do need to happen and happen soon, sooner than later,” Mr Choudhry said.
“The response that I got on my initial day in there were, the fellow who was there that I should just get married.
“I mean, if I could, if I had that option I would do that.”
Two weeks ago, he was notified that he must leave Australia after his visa review application to Immigration Minister Scott Morrison was also rejected.
Mr Choudhry has now lodged an appeal to the Migration Review Tribunal, but may not find out if that application is accepted before his deportation.
Mr Morrison was not available for interview.
His spokesman said in a statement that same-sex couples are assessed no differently from heterosexual couples regarding immigration matters.
The spokesman said while they cannot comment on individual cases for privacy reasons, all applicants must meet relevant criteria to be granted a visa and that these extend beyond whether there is a genuine and ongoing relationship.
Dr Hynd says the ramifications of the visa rejection for both of them both are dire.
“We have no idea what else we can do other than invite maybe the Immigration Minister into our bed and say, hey, this is two guys sleeping in the same bed.
“If you do not believe that, you know, we’re in a relationship, then I just don’t know.”
Carisbrooke said:
Voice, I’ll be off the air today, as I am going to M M.
I am going to bet on No7: Invisible, in the big race. MM Classic
I suggest No 11 for you
No 5 for helvi and she could double up with # 16.
Number 3 for EMMJAY
Number 4 for Vivienne
Number 9 for atomou (long bow ; coffee) Italian unfortunately.
Number 8 for Algernon
Number 13 for Big (quasi medical)
No 18 fopr hph AND…#16, RACE 4 for hph
And for gerard RACE 7 # 10…followed by #10 for Hoo in The MMC.
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atomou said:
What ARE you babbling on aboot, Cazo?
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Carisbrooke said:
Sorry, ato. it was a bit cryptic.
There is a big race-day today. Something that i am sure that you wouldn’t be interested in….
Hung and I share an interest though. We referred to it in The Muse.
While I was looking at the names of the runners, a silly idea came into my silly head.
I wandered aroun dthe sales here yesterday. back in The UK, two of my kids had ponies and one of them (my son based in Sydney) won many rosettes for cross country racing. A very tough sport.
The animals are beautiful.
That’s all.
Just trying to liven up a blog that would have foundered otherwise.
One kicks against the pricks sometimes ato.(excuse an English idiom, my friend.).
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Carisbrooke said:
The Magic Millions …………………http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/waterhouse-takes-two-as-magic-millions-record-2014s-first-milliondollar-baby-20140110-30lsp.html
I live about TWO kilometres away.
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Big M said:
Yes, horseracing, the sport of kings…and complete mugs!
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Voice said:
No Horse
1 UNENCUMBERED (3)
2 GEROMAYO (8)
3 I AM THE GENERAL (15)
4 CELESTIAL DRAGON (5)
5 NORDIC EMPIRE (19)
6 PINCH RIVER (12)
7 INVISIBLE (7)
8 DIVINE SERVICE (4)
9 VIENNA ROYALE (10)
10 CYCLONE (1)
11 SHEER STYLE (21)
12 OAKLEIGH GIRL (6)
13 STROAK (14)
14 TOTALLY SURE (16)
15 RUBY SOHO (2)
16 ECHO GAL (17)
17e SAGATONA (13)
18e PINK PERFECTION (9)
19e STAR DROP (11)
20e BURLEIGH BULLET (20)
21e TALES OF FASHION (18)
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Big M said:
Is this some cruel joke (he said having survived a stroke!!!)?
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Voice said:
Don’t ask me. I just put up the cipher decoding table in an idle moment on an idle day to save anyone else who might be interested the trouble.
http://www.racenet.com.au/news/96496/Latest-betting-picture-%E2%80%93-2014-Magic-Millions-2YO-Classic-%28post-draw%29
But FWIW I believe Carisbrooke’s original explanation.
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Big M said:
Question directed to Cariz, not your good self, Voice.
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Voice said:
The roles of America and Pakistan in the article are highly suspect. If he’s grown up in the US he would have a strong possibility of permanent residency (green card) and then citizenship. American citizenship is the Holy Grail of immigrants to the US and the green card isn’t far behind. It’s odd he’d jeopardise them by moving here. It’s a red flag that things might not be what they seem. Very poor journalism.
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Carisbrooke said:
Be careful with your syntax, grammar and deliberate spelling mistakes Voice. gerard can sniff those out and tell whether you are posting under other pseuds, don’t you know.
He has lectured on this in here, and won awards outside of The PA. He got commendations (not condemnation), from linguistic experts.
I know you think that I am being humorous, to elicit rollicking laughter and derision, but I’m not at all. No no noooo, I’m accolading him, because it’s extremely difficult, don’t you know.
I have difficulty telling custard from hph.
And “Susan Merrill” from…..Aagh, now that “would” be a secret.
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Someone Else said:
Voyce very luvlie is. She allways rite and clver and nise and bootifull and wood never post under another pseud becios that evil is.
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Voice said:
What do you think about this article, Someone Else?
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Someone Else said:
It hily suspekt.
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Voice said:
That’s two of us. Case proved.
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The Real Someone Else said:
I think someone is trayininig to still my names!
This is VERi notie!
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Voice said:
Someone Else sounds like a lovely person. Stop trying to chase him away, The Real Someone Else. We should all be nicer to one another.
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The Real, Real Someone Else! said:
Their both noties. Thei pincht my aidentitals! Shoo, shoo, away, noties poopl!
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Voice said:
OMG Caz. You mean Susan Merrill is … Therese? I’ve always thought there was something familiar about Therese’ style.
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Carisbrooke said:
My lips are sealed.
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Someone Else said:
Tel that too Ali Chowdery.
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Voice said:
The appeals to sympathy based on language difficulties in the article are highly suspect. Pakistan has two official languages, Urdu and … English. It also has dozens of regional languages. Public schooling is in Urdu, not the local language. So not knowing how to read and write in the local language is par for the course.
The wealthy elite is educated in private schools in English from the get-go and English proficiency is the key to high paid government jobs.
So much for “this is a country where he doesn’t read the language – he can speak it – but how are you supposed to then get a job”.
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Voice said:
There are a number of points in the ABC article that make it obvious they weren’t telling the full story. It just didn’t add up.
As it turns out, he applied for a visa while he was in Australia unlawfully. They always routinely disallow that – you have to make a case for being an exception, not just do a standard visa application.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-07/petition-opposing-gay-mans-deportation-garners-120000-signatures/5188784
‘The spokeswoman for Mr Morrison says same-sex partners are assessed no differently than de facto heterosexual couples.
She says Mr Choudhry did not satisfy the requirements for a partnership visa.
“Mr Choudhry came to Australia as a student in 2009. He applied for a further student visa in March 2011 but was refused as he had not enrolled in his course,” the spokeswoman said in a statement.
“He was then unlawfully in Australia for four months before lodging a partner visa application.” ‘
He hasn’t exactly been honest with the people who took up his cause; trying to pretend it was a case of discrimination against gays.
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Carisbrooke said:
Oh dear, I wasn’t going to tell on that. it makes gerard unhappy when his whinges aren’t justified.
The wallowing and hand-ringing; ect; the chance to vilify the Ozzie government…you know.
That’s the trouble with posting links without doing the research.
Did I tell you the one about the moon being made of green cheese?
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Voice said:
It’s only a trouble if you prefer to base your opinions on reality. If it’s the other way around, it’s a bonus.
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Big M said:
Ali has been given a reprieve: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-07/petition-opposing-gay-mans-deportation-garners-120000-signatures/5188784
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Carisbrooke said:
Oh dear, youv’e spoilt gerad’s misery now.
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atomou said:
S’il vous plaît, Cazo, permettez-moi!
It’s not about the homosexuality, Cazo; it’s about the persecution. About sending someone to a country where he is certain to be jailed. Seeking refuge and being granted refuge, or asylum, or a safe haven, is always, but always, a way of escaping ill treatment, something which is an inexorable human right, which applies to you as well as to the man in the story. To not grant this man asylum is to reject humaneness and our duty to that. The very next person this could apply to could well be you, or far more importantly, me! (I DO have some peculiar ideas about Zeus, after all!)
The govn’t should argue only inasmuch as the man’s claim that he would suffer if he were to be sent back. That, I believe is the complete campus of ours and every other country govnt’s right: To investigate if this man’s claim is honest and correct. Once the facts are established on this matter only, then he should be allowed to stay, if they are correct, or told to piss off, if they are not.
The miserable hands of govn’t should not be allowed to reach any further because whatever it is their hands do, they do it in our name; they involve us and we could well suffer similar fates in the hands of other govnt’s.
In the meantime, the calls I hear from many quarters, of bombing the boats out of the water, of torturing them and killing them summarily, send nasty chills of nazistic proportions. I’d rather the world floods our land than be known in fifty years as the holocausters of the world’s asylum seekers.
I would rather curtail the reach of the govnt’s hand on this issue, than allow it to grow and you know how and why the govrn’t always stretches its horrible arm in every direction.
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Big M said:
Beautifully expressed.
Hopefully we can cancel the mandatory endoanal ultrasound?
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atomou said:
I wouldn’t go that far, Big one!
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gerard oosterman said:
Even Malcolm Fraser is now calling the secrecy surrounding Abbott’s boat people treatment a reminder of Joseph Goebbels tactics during WW2.
Heaven knows what is happening in Manus, Christmas and Nauru. The face book joviality surrounding a detainee swallowing nail clippers by those supposed to look after boat people. This is Auschwitz stuff.
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Carisbrooke said:
Atomou, he could have gone back to The US!!
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On the boat people: don’t we all want “no boats”.
That’s the ideal situation surely? No one rotered helicopters, no leaky gas balloons, no, kite flying, no leaky boats and no drownings. No parachutists, no swimmers and no risk.
I know that some of you want people to get on boats, but the majority of us don’t.
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atomou said:
Not at all my mate, Cazo but you could ask Clive your questions. He’s certainly got good, logical answers to them:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-10/palmer-seeks-to-visit-christmas-island-centre/5194720
Clive Palmer wants to visit Christmas Island detention centre to ensure welfare of asylum seeker children
….
Billionaire MP Clive Palmer says he wants to visit the Christmas Island detention centre to ensure the children of asylum seekers are not denied a happy childhood….
“I have always believed that keeping children behind bars was wrong but the birth of my daughter Lucy last month has renewed my commitment to these kids,” he said in a statement.
“Whether they took this dangerous voyage with their parents, or were born in detention, every child deserves a safe and loving upbringing with a range of experiences, not just the inside of a cell or an exercise yard.”
…
He says offshore processing – a policy supported by both the Coalition and Labor – has only “increased the pain and suffering of genuine asylum seekers”.
Mr Palmer supports allowing asylum seekers to fly to Australia and be quickly processed at airports.
Under his plan, it would be up to an asylum seeker to make their case that they are a genuine refugee.
If the applicant’s claims were rejected then they will be flown home, but if they are accepted Mr Palmer believes they should then be given access to welfare and allowed to work.
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Carisbrooke said:
Well, I’m not clear? Don’t we all want NO boats?
Or is there a section of the community that wants them to keep trying?
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atomou said:
Cazo, it has never been about boats! But never! It’s been about politics and shows just how lazy our politicians have become. In all nations, the easiest way to win govn’t is to play the populist card. To keep your populous uninformed and in the simpleton’s mode: hate, phobia, ignorance, so they (the politicians) whirl about in the swamps of distraction and bafflement.
What is the right thing to do with people who are fleeing our own devastation of their country, our own impoverishment of their country through war and “free trade treaties” through destroying their agricultural land with leaking petroleum pipes, with buying out their wide rivers, their water, by making slaves of their population, forcing them to work in places where their days are numbered.
What is the right thing to do with people who are desperate to escape torture and persecution? That’s the question. And the answer is not to blow up their rickety boats, or to do the absolutely stupid thing of putting them in new boats and turning them back!
I thought Gillard was unintelligent enough, unimaginative enough and insensitive enough but these mongrels are beyond stupid and gruesome! Way beyond that.
Any minute now you’ll hear Abbott announcing military conscription, voluntary at first, of course! And the shouts of redneck agreement will be heard just as loudly!
I thought Gillard was taking us back enough -almost touched base with Howard on many issues, including this one- but this buffoon and the horde of buffoons around him will be taking us back to the days of a sack of flour and a tin of tobacco for a day’s work!
It’s not – and never was- about the boats, Cazo! True dinks!
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Carisbrooke said:
So, atomou, if I may politely ask, “do you want the boats leaving Indonesia or not”?
I’m not interested in all of the obfuscation. (Malcolm Fraser, Clive Palmer et al).
Is it yes, or no?
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Carisbrooke said:
And just a small PS.
Why does a section of the press and about 2% of the public want to know how many boats were turn back?
Do you want to know about motorbike accidents in the Northern Territory, or how many people didn’t turn up for work at Kalgoorlie?
What’s going on? Can’t we just concentrate on our lives instead of hounding our government because there are not enough statistics about illegal vessels from Indonesia.
What about Nigella, did she or didn’t she. What about Assad? Is he going to resign, or not/
Who cares about something that is obviously retarding?
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Carisbrooke said:
…And what about The Paki’s sphincter? is it the right size for a migrant from The US….or not?
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Big M said:
‘…And what about The Paki’s sphincter? is it the right size for a migrant from The US….or not?’
Why the childish obsession with someone’s bum, are you jealous?
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atomou said:
Cazo, to coin a well coined phrase, size doesn’t matter. Nor does the birth place of its owner or the owner himself. It’s not about any of this!
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Carisbrooke said:
No, I’m just being silly, to show my contempt for the whole subject.
What’s next, articles about knitting yurts, for passionate parishioners…Or, the type of shoes that Christopher Pyne wears?
Hands up who wants people getting on boats from Indonesia.? ? ?
Let’s get to the bottom (excuse sphincter reference) of this.
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ytaba36 said:
Isn’t there something about those without sin, cast the first stone???
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Carisbrooke said:
Well, he can always go back to America. Why should we grant him, citizenship, just because he has a sphincter like a horses collar?
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Big M said:
Clearly it’s not the whole gay marriage bit, that worries you, it’s the slackness of their sphincters. This can occur in both men and women. There’s an excellent review of endoanal ultrasound, which is the preferred diagnostic imaging mode:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3474057/
Perhaps ALL Australians should be screened with this technique, and those with a sphincter like a horses collar be shipped off to America, or Pakistan?
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Carisbrooke said:
Good come back, Big. I applaud you for injecting some spunk into Emmjay’s website.
…But we need more.
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Big M said:
Well, anal incontinence (AI) is disabling, not only for the sufferer, but the whole family. That’s why, here, at the Pig’s Arms, we strive to sniff out cases of AI (not Artificial Insemination, that would just be rude), and offer help where we can. We are collecting money for our first endoanal ultrasound machine. All donations gratefully accepted.
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