The Dump is:
For posting comments that don’t get up at the Drum, and for having a pleasant, mirthful or enlightening off-topic discussion.
It’s not for personal abuse of other commenters.
Please do that somewhere else if you must.
Play nicely or piss off.
However, why doesn’t a poster add a link for us to read and comment on here, much quicker. Maybe we can do a bit more bagging here, not that I speak for the moderators, yet.
NB: Being tiresome and boring, racist, sexist or just plain creepy is not playing nicely.
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The Pig’s Arms exists because a dozen or so years ago our other favourite playpen – the ABC’s Unleashed blogsphere started to go off. Like a sack of prawn heads in the sun. Something had to be done.
Moderation was taking forever. Comments seemed to be rejected randomly – outrageous ones appeared and reasoned ones were pinged. When they released the Drum / Unleashed ….. things actually got worse !
So many pieces from professional writers appear with no obvious merit. And the moderation has become, to put it frankly, appalling.
As a former contributor and a commenter, I was deeply disappointed at the plummeting quality from our pre-eminent media empire. And I resented so many challenging or dare I say, witty or funny posts in which we’ve invested seconds of our precious time – getting the chop.
So here, for all our benefit – is an open slather blog. Copy and paste your best rejected comments here for posterity. Does not matter whether you’re posting on the Guardian, First Dog on the Moon or wherever else.
And sprinkle pointers to the Pig’s Arms amongst your comments. Let’s try to rescue some of the old faithful.
Cheers,
Emm.
Window Dresser's Arms, Pig & Whistle 
It’s annoying when one gets a quality post; such as Azrael’s NBN promotion, that one cannot reply to.
That’s when the new regime is thoroughly and abysmally frustrating…FULL STOP !!
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Voix, Feet answered you with a different pseud. I guessed that you’d pick it up. However, as you’re only a woman 🙂 I thought that I should alert you 🙂
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Lill budwig, you got a soapbox entry. Looks like the mods have fallen asleep, Postings are still going and almost instant.
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I looked for the soapbox when you and Helvi were chuntering about it. But I can’t find it.
Has it moved? Perhaps you could guide me?
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When I click on The Drum, I get articles and the “word” soap box, but no soap box
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Actually it reads: Your Soapbox, but then it says, “best of the rest”.
Maybe it’s because I am using google chrome?
Back to Firefox 2moro!!
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I does seem to be very quick sometimes VL, I had two this morning yet a few minutes later it had changed. Looks like the mods have woken up and gone home for the weekend all the blogs are now closed.
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What I meant Algy, is that I couldn’t find the section. Do they just do away with it?
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Vectis Lad: The soapbox is there for those that can use it. I often don’t see it either, yet next to me on Helvi’s computer there is a soapbox.
My new computer is not sympathetic to soapbox and as I mentioned before has several other glitches..
Next time I go to ‘Good Guys’ for a computer I’ll make sure it has access to soapbox technology.and able to open links in my inbox.
Inbox and soapbox are probably both boxes embedded in the software that was supposed to have been included in my computer. Anyway, I am lucky that I can see soapbox and inbox on Helvi’s compute.r
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Does she know that you are a voyeur?
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sometimes on my computer the soapbox is there sometimes its not. One can see it then refresh and its gone. The soapbox seems to be totally random.
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The Soap Box with the chosen highlights of four posts has been coming and going lately. This is another new ‘thing’ – here one minute and gone the next then back again. I think it has something to do with updating and the operator is not adept at it.
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I feel that the coming and disappearing of ‘soapbox’ is some fiendish plot by the ABC Drum mods to get us confused, disoriented and become more malleable and just end up using marsh mallow words dipped in fairy floss.
I don’t think this will fool J.G.Cole though!
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Thankyou for your consideration, Vectis Lad. Were you Bantankerous Old Cugger, Pexist Sig, or Tondescending Cwit?
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Hi Voice, Yes all .
And others that I havn’t thought of yet.
I just nicked off to watch a snippet of Moulin Rouge. The costumes, make uo and camera work is divine. Broadbent (Denis Thatcher) is brill too. It’s a bit hammy, but meant to be. Anyways, I am not a Pexist Sig. That’s for sure. I treat all women as ladies–and any that are not crippled as goddesses 😉
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I seem to be mixing my plurals ect. I must be tired. Fireworks tomorrow. I don’t know whether to wander in to Surfers–there are two shows–or, watch them pop up amongst the hi-rises.
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VL, FeetBob, there’s a postata for you ,somewhere below 🙂
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Yes, I saw the feetbob. Quite sweet, I thought.
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Must be in the mods good books today, all my post up, Two soapbox entries, on backing up vivienne and the other giving ravensclaw a serve.
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Yes, we done good! Yesterday was a bugger – I was there a bit in the am and later in the pm all to no avail.
Now I am about to pack appropriate gear and head off fishing soon. Leaving hubby with instructions to feed Lola the last of the turkey for dinner. Meeting up with daughters and blokes – one of us ought to bag something edible but we have sausages just in case !
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I wanna come afishin wifya!
Sick of Mr Impenetrable Euripides!
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Did not catch a fish. None of us caught a fish. Not even a nibble. There were too many people out on the Hume in speedboats who insisted on coming close to shore showing off. The young ones canoed and swam and it was delightful. We moved on and went back to the river where it was quiet and nothing noiser than wild ducks. Caught nothing but still enjoyed ourselves immensley. Think the fish took off east.
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Hello all 🙂
Well done Algernon! Anyone giving that Cheerful redneck a kick up the bum is alright by me.
I see most of the Pigs Arms up today – Stuffed, Gerard, Helvi, atomou, Funston.
Good to see. Good to see.
To Stuffed – I agree with your assessment. They ARE killing it.
To atomou – Ellis, for all his failings, is still our Master of the Pen . I have yet to read a line from anyone else that comes close to his sentence/idea construction.
I’m off to try, for the 4th time, a response to that buffoon who crossed me on Ben Pojbie’s article. Is it just me? I found it…very UNfunny.
Anyone?
I best be off…I can hear the children laughing and arguing…..that or the early sounds of a melee….
Oh, just one last thing Stuffed – I sought to resume my long standing argument with Mitor over religion in donnelly’s article a few days ago. I sought to address some of his/her nonsense…..I posted 5 or 6 specific to Mitor’s posts and about 3 or 4 general ones.
Not one made it up.
Not one.
It seems the glory days of the 3 or 4 day , 12 posts engagement, are over.
Helvi is indeed correct.
We are being tweeted out of an adult conversation.
It is an awful, awful shame.
I miss it.
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That’s what we were saying yesterday JG, couldn’t get a damn thing up. Today seemed to be a free for all this morning. Now they seem to have got the deck chairs out ready for tomorrow nights fireworks and bundied off.
I preferred the days of a fornight engagement where you could have a decent debate instead of the cameo roles that seem to be all the go now.
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JG, Gerard was never keen on Pobjie, ‘tries too hard’ is his complaint , to me he’s not here or there.
I agree with you about Bob Ellis, I really like the WAY he writes, he’s very free…I don’t have to agree with his views…
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I left you a Finnish note below,╠╣ELVI.
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It’s even worse when you write complete articles and send it off with ‘happy christmas’ and you don’t even get an elipse back. It’s a strange response or non response really. I do it because I want to try and put words together which I enjoy doing regardless of the reward of getting it published. Even so, when I do get something up I am very happy and want to do a wild tango with Helvi.
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Funston, may I trouble you for one of your fancy fonts?
Funston has one, Helvi now too.
You choose. Font and Initial(s).
Or is the “fracture” unbridgeable? 😉
Helvi, I am with gerard there. There seems to be a forced humour there that I find….decidedly insecure.
gerard, do you have any pictures of that “wild tango”?
atomou, how many of these “new” names do you think are genuine? I have my doubts about 4 or 5 pseudonyms. JohnM seems awfully familiar.
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JG/Totem, are you possibly ‘Bloke in Beijing’ ?
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I don’t know, JG. Don’t care. It puzzles me that people could be bothered to think up new psueds and then post with them. What for? Surely they have better things to do with their life.
It doesn’t bother me what pseud I’m responding to. It isn’t the pseud anyhow, it’s the post, the thoughts that are posted. They’re all pseuds. JohnM seems like just one more what-about-personal-responsibility, simpleton redneck. The world is only made of two colours one of which is good, and stiff titties if you happened to be born on the wrong one. It’s a total waste of time for one to respond to his posts. His red neck is made of concrete… to screw up a couple of good metaphors!
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J ĵ Ј Ĝ ĝ . Cut and paste. save somewhere…Try one of those.
Incidentally, I can’t believe that I actually agree with ato-effervescent.
The post and sentiment is what is important, not the alias. That’s why I change it. I suppose some writers attach a sort of sanctimonious piousness to their messages (like Mulga): pomposity, actually.
Iv’e made this point before. I maintain my message, day-in-day-out. Be clear and think of the future. Don’t concern oneself with silly parochial baggage: that’s for the committees and the no-effecters; just tinkering with silly rules and regulations.
Just earn the money—so the government can spend it–and people can stay employed! They can’t spend the civil servants’ taxes: that comes from me! Don’t be mean and live off the public purse. Unlessen one is a nurse, policeman, or other wonderful jobber.
Pouring with rain…Off to walk the dogs!
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The fracture is bridgeable, J.G… However it is really more–a natural chasm–bought about at the infant and youth education stage.
There are fundamental differences 😉
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Good morning all.
Helvi – I certainly was not “Bloke in Beijing”! That cheeky sod was trying to take the piss….and only the most inoffensive of my responses made it through.
Atomou – I agree with you about the posts….I do however have a particular interest in the history and biography of the posters. It helps me both situate and discriminate. I would also like to know a little more about some of them, an impossible wish I know, but I am curious as to the life of say, Mulga, Reader1, R. Ambrose Raven, Tomokatu, Doug Quixote, and several others.
I wonder as to their stories……as I wonder about the stories of those right here. Clues
drop every now and again….a snapshot here, an admission there…..and a rudimentary outline forms. Perhaps we should write a paragraph on our lives and introduce
ourselves to eachother 🙂
Funston – thank you for the fonts. None however had either the 50’s Modernist verve of
your “F” or the bold elemental feel of Helvi’s “H”. Could you please put a little more effort into your selection?
And you are quite correct – the differences are “fundamental”. I am your junior by some 20 years……a lifetime some would say…..but not I. The difference is only one of
memory. You have more to remember….and spend most of your time remembering,
whilst i am smack in the middle of my prime; muscular years, robust, curious, pugnacious and sharp……complimented in equal measure by both sensitivity and grace…..;)
It is a wonderful pastiche.
I’m sure you remember it……lovingly. 😉
How will you spend this evening?
Tell me.
Your fundamental, unbridgeable, confederate StaggerLee 🙂
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JG Cole/Stagger Lee/Totem….I better stop there.
I too am interested in the profiles, in the history of the regular, long time posters.
Of those you mention…I know a lot about Tomokatu, we used to banter a lot and he’s quite open and honest…I know who Reader1 is..
I have a ‘profile’ on DQ, just based on some things he’s slipped through…I have a soft spot for Mulga, he/she has always been nice to me. Raven I don’t know anything about….I’ll never be Funston’s enemy, we been mates for too long on UL…
Hudson was very private but even so I feel I knew him…
Now to the profile of the young and muscular MR JG Cole…
PS. Gez and I have met Emmjay and Big M, both very much as I had pictured them. Madeleine once wanted to meet us in Canberra, sadly we were busy with other things that day. A pity.
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I wrote half a dozen responses to that moron JohnM but none got up. Yet he’s got about a dozen crap-packed posts up there.
Gives one diarrhoea but what can one do but go fishing?
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I’ve found after a good run its all but dried up. Must be the right wingers day out today.
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Yes, but don’t do it in my burley or bait bucket.
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Vivienne=good, Ravensclaw=bad
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What do you mean hung, ravenclaw is like being wacked around the head with a wet lettuce. they appear to be the defenders of the stupid.
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If I reply to it I call it Birds Feet
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I’m with you.
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Seeing Chris Berg yesterday ,I wrote something like this…
Dear Drum, thanks for your presents but as I already have too many Farnsworths, Reiths, O’Neills and Bergs, I have to send them back.
I wonder why they did not publish it 🙂
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I must be on the moderators naughty list today. Got one post up out of a dozen.
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Same here. Posted quite early for me on Donnelly – nothing (and I wasn’t rude) and now closed. Half a day is the new standard. I think they are being rude to their fans.
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That’s right Viv, they did not put up my one on Donnelly either; I changed few words and re-sent, it got up….I think the nice moderator had a day off today, the one who likes piglets 🙂
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I tried posting on the Donnelly blog with a couple of pseuds and got nothing. The only one aI got anything up on was the cricket blog, twice. 2:00pm seems to be the magis time then they shut it down.
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I’m beginning to think that they have decided to change the whole style of the Drum. Put the article up and let in some comment but basically shut it down in less than a day in order to prevent posters from arguing the point. But why leave the closed article there for so long? If you come to it late in the day you can’t comment. The value of some of the articles does not warrant leaving them up there, closed and lifeless. If this is what they are really doing then they are killing the whole thing off at the same time. What is the point
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Methinks, Vivie that they’re all on (probably well-deserved) hols.
Let’s be patient for a week more or so!
But I do admit, it gets a little exasperating, apoplectic, silly even!
Bjobe is giving me an uneasy sorta feeling. I think he’s turning his satirical talents over to the dark side but let’s not jump too quickly!
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More like wasting his satirical talents. Bob Ellis is already a parody of himself, the only vaguely interesting question being how conscious it is.
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I’ve thought of that but they haven’t done (what they are now doing) this before. If they are on holidays who is in charge now – someone is there. Just put a notice up saying site is closed for the holidays, back on the ‘insert date’.
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Sir Les Patterson, is the only reliable Australian commentator.
He had the good manners and presence of mind to:…from Wikipedia.
In 1986, Humphries as Patterson was awarded the Douglas Wilkie Medal for doing the least for football in the best and fairest manner, in 1986. His dislike for the game of Australian rules football was illustrated when he coated a leather football in cream cake, and fed it to a camel.
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Ellis is old. Tired yet still hanging on to a once well-deserved crown. Stunning wordsmith and, once, a most incisive eye. Lots of wordsmithing and incisiveness still there but, you’re right, Voice, it has all turned into a parody -a farce, even in these his intellectually dawning years.
Often gives me the shits and there’s no question about it, he has become quite the misogynist. I took this up with him a few months ago and the more he protested, the more it had become obvious. I let him flagellate himself to his heart’s content.
Mungo is still quite readable and I doubt he’ll ever become a misogynist, like Ellis.
These, plus a few more were what kept the soul of this country hopeful, during the Frazer years. I’ll remain most grateful for that.
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I don’t think anyone becomes a misogynist in old age, atomou. More likely it used to be less frequent in his writing because there were fewer women openly in charge of anything to feel emasculated by.
At least Hitchens, when he wrote that attention-seeking article about Why Women Aren’t Funny, did it with some amusing wit and genuine insight.
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I meant to say “up to and including the Frazer years.”
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Yeah but that would deprive someone -if not many- of a job and double pay, Vivie. You wouldn’t want that, now would you?
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And, dotage.
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The Editor Jonathan Green, is on holiday and the show is run on a skeleton staff and skeleton budget. Even the morning biscuits had to change from real butter made short-bread to Bon-Marie rye variety. Instant coffee with limited sugar etc.
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CONFESSION:
I had Christmas pud with a lung nesspreso, after my walk today…and (quietly)..a soupçon of (left over)tiramsu: bought from Horner’s bakers, the subject of previous discussions.
5 kilos to lose!!
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Quite possibly, Voice. Good point about the prominent women in his earlier years but there was Germaine Greer. Maybe she’d tear him to bits if he said anything nasty about women.
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Lungo, not lung. Not that it matters, in here, but it doesn’t paint the whole picture. The Lung has more coffee grains, so one gets a better hit.
Very pleased with the machine so-far.
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I’m suspecting that its just holidays. I find it a problem normally that they shut down at about 7:00pm.
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Right!.. off to rip out all of the tomato plants. We had a glut and after making passata* with about forty giant juicy toms–and keeping 10, I am going to turn the earth over, to let the bacteria go wild–al the time being careful not to kill the worms.
THEN I’M GOING TO KNIT A YURT!!
NOT pissata ╠╣ELVI !!
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VL, we used to make passata on the farm, I just had Aldi soya bread toasted with some of Gez’ Srawberry jam that he made fifteen years ago, bloody fantastic…I did not know they last this long…
Gerard used do his PISSATA only around the house…I had to waste our precious water to rinse it all away.
I have some Zucchini coming up, I was a bit late planting , we have also had too much rain here. Someone on Drum called you FeetBob 🙂
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I did not want to mention this on the Drum, but is Hudson really back, this one spells his/her ‘surname’ Godfey, the original was H Godfrey…people over there are playing with each other’s pseudos. At least Mulga is real.
VL, are you the new HG?
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Good morning Helvi,
I have no doubt that that is Hudson.
His signature style is very familiar to me.
The surname must have been a typo.
I must also thank you for your kid words yesterday. You flatter me unduly 🙂
But what topic Helvi?
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You know best, JG, just don’t make it too long…this is the Twitter generation.
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Hung, I saw your Costa Fortuna, and I knew it was you…gez complained about Feet Slipper, I told him not to worry as it was ‘only’ our Funston 🙂
Of course we all know who Gordon O’Donnell is.
There is a poster who has convervations with her/himself (i know which), I call this person ‘united states of tara’ or whatever that awful ABC show was called 🙂
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Well done Helvi. I try to mix it up a bit as Hung gets into trouble from the moderators for being a homophobic foul mouthed bigot, I mean could imagine Hung ever upsetting someone 🙂 Some other names I use are Jenny Taylor and Oopy Brown but what I find most amazing is how Gordon O’Donnell gets the most airplay out of all of them. On Alan Kohlers recent hysterical rant about the Fair Work Act all of my psuedos were rejected except for Gordon.
Jenny gets a good run on women’s issues but one of the most interesting attacks Jenny had to suffer was on one of the same sex marriage articles. Jenny said that in her workplace same sex marriage was pretty unimportant, well TechinBris took great umbrage at Jenny and aggressively pursued her even attacking another poster called Jenny in the same manner. It was a very interesting experiment. I only use Hung sparingly but I love to have a debate with Rob1966, he is gay, intelligent, right wing and passionate everything I’m not. I actually respect him even though I don’t agree with much that he says. Rob doesn’t get personal and uses strong arguments to have a debate. When the mods allow we have a good fight.
Even though I change my psuedo my style doesn’t vary. I like to use simple words, keep it as brief as possible, keep left at all times and support the underdog. Just my nature I guess. I don’t mind fessin up here about my different screen names as I don’t bait any of the piglets and in fact I wonder sometimes whether the Drum knows us all. I have tried many times to answer both you, Gez, Algernon, SO and others but rarely get posted even though one of the mods was allowing my comment “May I say I agree with you Helvi”. I have rarely been posted on one of Gez’s Drum articles no matter how many times I try.
JG is brilliant and atomou always gives another angle and Jules is a great balance for the piglets. Algernon, Stuffed Olive and Hung all come from the same parents as they all are lefties. The thing I love most about your posts is the lack of ceilings. You constantly amaze me how you set virtually no barriers to a person or their thought processes, absolutely amazing and I love you for it. I envy your children and I believe that you demonstrate a fantastic parenting technique in what you say and the way that you say it, well done girl. Crikey, look at all these words, very un Hung like. I didn’t know that he knew so many. I think it must be that Hung’s mental health is on the mend. Sorry for the hurt. I was lashing out. If you weren’t around Hung would have a bit hole in his life. Don’t ever change and make sure that Gez knows what a lucky bastard he is 🙂
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Thanks Hung, that was a lovely Chrissie present, ‘un-earned’ of course…I noticed
Jenny Taylor, but as I don’t write much on gay marriage blogs ,I did not pay extra attention.. 🙂
I recognize Cole/ Totem and Jules/Funston/VL immediately…really all the people who have been writing on UL as long as Gez and I 🙂
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Yes, but will anyone ever reach the level of your simple ‘yo’.?
No matter how often I read it, it remained funny. Yes, I still am amazed with my luck having met Helvi.
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Hello Hung,
That’s a damn fine post!
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JG, You obviously can write very well, and you are also well informed in many areas…
Now, why don’t you write an article for the Drum, say something favourable to Labor, we have enough IPA boys on the other side…
Put picture of Tom Hanks or of a dingo there if you are shy or worried about being recognised… How about it?
…or at least for PA?
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My parents weren’t lefties at all. Mother a mad died in the wool Lib. She even blamed her second divorce on the Labor Government ! My father never let on how he voted but he may have been a bit left thought kept it entirely to himself to avoid being clobbered by his wife.
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Good Looooord, Vivie! How did he manage to die in the wool?
Reminds me of the wood worm that was found dead inside a brick!
Tell your keyboard, it’s “dyed in the wool.”
They’re absolutely outrageous these keyboards. Do what they want when they want and how they want. Not an iota of subordination to be found anywhere!
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ato, it was she, who was ‘a dyed in the wool Liberal’, Viv’s mum…you men, you pedants 🙂
It’s easy to die in wool, have you ever been to a shearing shed, all that shitty wool can choke you…I had to wear ear plugs at the shearing time (alpacas), all that smutty talk….
Viv, was your mum really mad or just eccentric or a bit odd?
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Viv, my father had a farm and he used to belong to a country party, it was a progressive party not like the National party here. Everybody was open about who they voted for and before elections everybody put pictures of their chosen candidates on their fences or walls.
Gez got interested in politics when he joined the Labor party when we lived in Balmain.
My family was into politics, I was the only one out, and my brothers and sisters used to complain about it.
Going through Howard years made me realise that I don’t ever want to back to that…
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My mum and dad were lefties but no one talked politics or told you how to vote in our house.
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They should have Hung. You need guidance. In fact all of you do!
Conservatives are the progressives . NOT the teamsters.
Somebody has to earn the money, for you lot to share out 🙂
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Yes my liege, you left off born to rule 🙂
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Hung, I’m unsure what my parents voted, they both grew up in the Eastern suburbs, what possessed tehm to move to Hornsby in the late 50’s is beyond me. Mums side appeared apolitical and Dads side being small business owners could have been conservative though I’m unsure.
What they both had was a social concience, I suspect they voted both ways. Dad is certainly left leaning these days and moreso as he gets older.
My politics was shaped by things like the Vietnam war, Whitlam and his sacking. Barrie Unsworth managed my rugby team as a kid. I also knew Nick Greiner. I knew most the heirachy of the NSW Liberal party through friends, there is some pure evil there.
However I’ve always been a leftie.
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Yeah I remember Barrie Unsworth, shortest serving premier wasn’t he?
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Bowral is a Blue Ribbon area, so when we get invited to dinners and parties I tell gez not to get into politics too quickly…we have met so many nice people so I don’t want to alienate anyone by party politics…best to get to know the folks properly first… 🙂
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I am in a safe seat both federally and at state level, so on my voting paper I write vote 1: safe
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Oh, my federal memember is Mark Butler is now a minister and the state guy is the new premier Jay Wetherall, he knows me, he shops at my local supermarket and I say “Gidday Jay” he replies “Gidday mate” 🙂
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Hornsby was always blue ribbon as were the neighbouring suburbs, though I suspect Hornsby didn’t know why it was Blue ribbon.
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Bad slip up there, ‘dyed’ of course. Mercifully she is also dead. So is my dad.
Mother was a hater. She hated my father, she hated Labor, she hated anyone who did not think like her, she hated some pacifist neighbours we had who were against the Vietnam war. By the time I was 22 she hated me because I didn’t marry a wealthy businessman and live on the Sydney Harbour, because I supported Gough. She didn’t meet my husband until we had been married for 8 years. We buried the hatchet (it was always in her hands, not mine) in an attempt to all be nice and I did of course love my grandma. But she could never help herself and the hatchet came out at regular intervals and when my daughters were 17 and 14 she went totally bonkers, refused to see or speak to us, disinherited me. I found out she died in August 2004 when friends in Adelaide rang to say they had just been to her funeral and thought I should know.
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Wow Viv how sad. My mum and dad were great they to are both dead.
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A bit of a joke as manager from memory as well was Baz, Hung. Dad and he co managed the team, Dad didn’t think much of him. He wore the cardigan then too. His son was OK though, well until the heroin took over. Got sprigged by some St Ives player during a grand final opened his leg up. St Ives in sport was a bit of a conduit for the Liberal party, played dirty and unsportingly. No team spirit or fair play in them whatsoever.
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Hung is the lucky one in the political seats department. All blue ribbon here – Albury has Susan Ley and Wodonga has Sophie effing Mirrabella. State seats are Libs too. Susan Ley is plain lazy but seat does stretch to the South Aust border (insane) so maybe she does some good way out west but I wouldn’t know. Mirrabella is as nasty as my mother – they would have been great friends. Mirrabella complains loudly and bitterly when Labor stuffs up with some defence uniform contract but says nothing when the Vic Libs send contracts to China for police clothing and has now ditched a policy favouring local sourcing. Not a peep.
Still looks like Algy and I have a fair bit in common (I think our histories make us stronger).
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WOW, Viv, that is a story and a half…and you seem the most level-headed of all piglets…you got grandma’s and dad’s genes 🙂
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My reply is off the line…how unruly of me.
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I’ve found hatred consumes people. My grandfather (step) was a hater went completely loopy in his final years. Refused to see mum, myself and my sister. Died four years later. Then again. I found out I had a great grandfather into my twenties, the family shunned him after he married his mistress six weeks after the death of my great grandmother.
My sister in-law is a hater too. though shes come around in recent years.
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Yes, Helvi – but that was just a snippet ! Her hating was so bad that she even cut herself off from her grand daughters and never knew how successful they became. Remember she was an only child and so am I.
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Noticed VoR copped a bit of a serve on the asylum seeker issue
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I didn’t notice. I am busy at the mo, and just breeze through.
Then when I go back, I only answer the replies to mine. Mulga sounds ill.
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J.G is totem something, or something totem.
Put your Johnsonese detector on, when next you scan. It will go off the dial.
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Are yes, I tried to reply how brilliant his rebuttal of Mitor was but didn’t get published
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Algernon, see you over at the Costello piece giving our mutual mate, Mark from Launceston a right going over well done. Don’t who is worse, Mark, Mitor or custard
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Oh and special mention to SO, fighting the honourable fight
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I’ve enjoyed being a litlle more active at the dumb as I’m on holidays. I note some of the posts are being left open a litlle longer. It will be back to norrmal come January though.
Yes I enjoyed that, we had a good debate then he just lost it. custard and chipinga are just trolls no originality at all, throw the manure sandwich at them an they just jump on it.. I’m not sure about Mitor had him completely confused yesterday. At least he displayed a sence of humour unlike some of the others.
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Alge, am I the only one who thinks that Mitor is female, never mind the masculine pseudonym?
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They wouldn’t publish my reply to Tory Boy
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I’m not sure whether Mitor is a male or female Helvi, Mitor can be fairly hard headed, yesterdy thought didn’t seem to be. I’ve always assumed Mitor to be a male I suppose.
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Were you polite Hung, I wouldn’t be to Tory boy.
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Fineti (JG?) said to Tory Boy: Since you a conservative and a CHILD, we don’t expect you to understand. How good was that!
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Very good. I’ve wondered where Elijah Thomas has gone, He occasionally pops up then disappears. Wonder whether he posts as something different nowadays.
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What on earth do The drum moderators want. I wrote a perfectly reasonable post, agreeing (partially) with Manne, for a change – and they censored it.
I don’t believe that they are doing their job properly. It appears an ad hoc deletion system. Perhaps based on the number of coffee breaks they have, or the latrine urgency.
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It is an awful business Funston. You will find no greater ally than myself in your disdain for their caprice!
How’s the driveway……and when are we going to see the pics?
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JG, who are you blogging as at the Drum?
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Oh I use Gordon O’Donnell as the moderators see Hung One On as a fouled mouthed nasty bigot that’s homophobic, not like me at all 🙂
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HUNG…”JG, who are you blogging as at the Drum?”
Surely that’s obvious. Think of Hudson Godfrey mated with Donald Brook and add in some Johnsonese.
Then a pole 2 worship.
The make a dusted soufflé 😉
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Still none the wiser me Lord, you know I a bit thick. Anyone here own up to naughtee?
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And while we are at it what about you My Lord?
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I owned up to , ‘Feet Slipper’, the twin (_o_) brother of The Speaker. The other twin being a hunchback, that should be kept in a cupboard.
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Didn’t pick it My Liege, well done. On the Costello piece I used Costa Fortune. The moderators love picking on Hung so I use it sparingly
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You should be able to tell. I rarely deviate from my honest and forthright style 😉
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Hello Hung, I am writing as Totem Lesson II…..one of my favorite early Pollock paintings.
JGCole seemed to get up the long skirts and ruffle at the milky white thighs of the repressed spinsters on the Moderation team……..a little like Hung One On, I imagine.
It won’t be too long before I need to change again.
Having an adult conversation is becoming increasingly difficult.
How are you Hung?
Oh, you want to know who Funston writes as?
Mate Abbott’s 22 seconds of silence with a ……..lead balloon…….and you got it!!!
😉
Pssst, what’s a ” Johnsonese”??
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Hi JG, yes me much better thank you. I hope I didn’t offend you. I was just explaining to Helvi I was lashing out due to my hurt and loathing. Your reply to Mitor was one of the best pieces of blogging I have ever witnessed, you Sir are a genius. Don’t worry about Funston, he is a true gentleman of great character. While I don’t support many of his views he is a great balance here at the Pigsarms as most of us are dyed in the wool lefties. I respect him, he emails me when I am in trouble and helps me come back to Earth.
The crew here the Pigsarms forgive me my unbelievably bad behaviour and for that I love them all and always, I count you in this group. Yes I have had some shit but who hasn’t. I look forward to my future and even my shrink can’t believe how well I cope given all of the tragic events that have occurred to me over time.
If you don’t want the Drum to know your pseuds than email me so that I can try and support your line of argument. As an administrator I can see your email address so I will send you mine. If this is not okay just tell me to fuck off.
I don’t know who Johnsonese is either.
Cheers
Hung
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J.G..you have floored me. But then you are an Aussie I suppose. I had high hopes of you–but I can see some fundamental l fracturing at the base/origins.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/johnsonese
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Ah Funston……I would say that that now makes us even 😉
I categorically deny this “Johnsonese” charge.
I refute, rebut and shall present, forthwith, countervailing evidence to declare those that thus brand me so are nothing but scandalous bounders who insist upon sullying my good name…..and many pseudonyms….for their own serpentine ends.
I find myself greatly distressed that a gentleman’s “style” be placed under such unwarranted duress; that its honourable features be trampled, ridden roughshod over, and gracelessly paraded about this good and fair town!
Such uncouth, odious and lumbering trickery I shall countenance no further!
Funston, you cad!
Foils at dawn!
I shall bring a second.
I suggest you do the same.
🙂
Cheers old man……”fundamental fracturing” you say?
Got any of that paving grout left?
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You are most welcome Hung….and your kind and supportive words are greatly appreciated.
No, I am not offended. By all means unburden yourself should the need arise.
We all carry demons of one variety or another…….and where else but in the company of confederates could one do so….freely and without judgement?
Everyone here has welcomed me most cordially……warmly and respectfully.
I can ask for no more than that.
Thank you to all 🙂
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JG, I just posted on the Brull Blog defending your beautiful language use, re: ‘unpacking Hitchens’ frailties’…
Sort of pedantic versus creative 🙂
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Hi Helvi, thank you very much for your support. It is indeed a bittersweet experience…..trying to communicate an idea and being hijacked by both the Moderators and a pedant. I am frustrated that he got the last word in…..leaving on a error is always difficult for me to accept :)…….and several of my posts never made it through……strange how they prioritise….hardly surprising that a very muddled conversation results.
Anyway, I thought my idea was a simple one.
Apparently not.
I tried to throw my voice in to support you – it was culled.
I tried to throw my voice in to question Funston – it was culled.
Hudson made a return!
Mulga too joined the fray!
Always good to see……
It is lovely to hear you had fun with the children 🙂
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Mulga replied to my critique of his point, with the same old exaggeration. Falsely linking (in my view, anyway) The US to every bomb that has ever exploded.
Anyways, I have just got back from delivering some Veuve Clicqot to deserving peoples——– after a quick cuppa, I am going to seal the concrete pavers. Phew, talk about purgatory, for supporting Hitchens’s view on Hussein. . . 😉
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I notice, too, that he didn’t deny my accusation of him being Raving!!!!
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The old boy isn’t far from the truth Funston 😉
And you should be laying pavers fro the rest of your borne days for supporting Hitchens view of Saddam…..if not in substance then certainly in timing! 🙂
What exactly was it that changed the Englishman’s mind Funston…..on that rainy drunken afternoon in Washington??
Your an old Saxon…..tell us. 🙂
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Well he is right and you are wrong. Simple really.
My feet are now waterproof. Toward the end of my ‘sealing’, my thongs came off, leaving me barefoot.
No amount of hot water and soap seem able to dislodge this stuff. Still I suppose it will repel marks off the pavers.
Especially with all the activity and elbow bending on Christmas Day. The red wine and grease can try its level best–but will be thwarted–as the dove soap was on my feet 🙂
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Right and Wrong………are indeed vexing questions.
but not the one I asked 😉
when EXACTLY did the death of Iraqi’s first…….bruise the delicate English sensibilities of our whiskey drinking subject?????
That’s the question Funston……
I dpn’t mind a chap changing his opinion……..I just want to know……when.
Christmas lunch on your new pavers you say?
What time would you like me there?
It is 8.45 and time to read.
see you tomorrow.
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I don’t know, or if I’m honest, care, when he Started agreeing with me.
It’s something that has always been obvious to me.
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Hahahaha
HahahaAhh
Ha
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It appears the paving sealant has scrambled your mind Funston…….AND given you a sense of humour!!!!!
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VL, today on the Drum I have been accused of being; precious, arrogant, envious….
I could not be bothered to convince them that the opposite is true 🙂
Number Two grandson spent four days with us, we just took him back, halfway to Sydney….
We had a lovely time, he went to sleep every night listening to Ceasaria Evora…on the way home he asked me ,once again, to tell the funniest, saddest, naughtiest story about him when he was little. He knows them by heart, but we had a good laugh again remembering…
So much more important than Hitchens, Kim Jong Il, or any political issue 🙂
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True.
The movies of the poor suckers in N.Korea, convulsing at the demise of their despicable dictator, are quite moving in their clear demonstration of how people can be manipulated into grovelling, before the very institution that has caused their misery. A quite nauseating display of cruelty.
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I too wrote on the Drum and got rejected and also now feel dejected, head sunk in gloom.
The horror of so sudden and without any warning, and so close to Chrismas too, seeing again the picture of Costello, all out in the open. Oh that stumped nasal look. It came flooding back, years of forgotten hell. They rejected my post. Bastards……..I could now walk around, head held high..
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There you go, first day of holidays and the dumb has a server error!
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To your first scenario, gez, I posted this but did not get up. Can’t understand why?
…and trips over his eyebrows.
“Those eyebrows” thought Janette, “Oh, those eyebrows! They’ve turned my dance steps into goose steps! I get goose bumps at the mere fantasy of them…”
Then she spread her arms to him and he fox trotted into them.
“Darling, John!” she sighed.
“Darling, Janette!” he sighed
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Ato,
delicious post.
There are many that don’t get there. I am beginning to think that it is a technical glitch. After sending and getting the return reply I often quickly change away from un-leashed. Perhaps one should wait longer before changing the page. I am not sure but can’t understand that even innocuous replies often don’t make it.
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In response to Ravenclaw’s Green bashing on the Sniffer Dogs blog, Yorick Hunt wrote:
Ah, the old “provide stats to discredit my ludicrous rant – and thereby waste your time by legitimising it with a response” ploy.
Where have we seen that before, Craw ? All over the Drum like a herpes rash.
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Well done Emmjay! I saw it…..and was shaking my head with a smile wondering how it got through.
I see J. Wilson is on.
Time for a new pseudonym i think 😉
Helvi? Look away.
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JG, we just got home, read some replies on Wilson’s blog…you are too easy to spot (but so are we all)…
I have not read any of the articles on Drum today, Started on Julian Barnes’ book, read it all way from Sydney, love it…It has only 150 pages, it’ s finished too soon.
I’m sure you would like too.
Thanks for the support yesterday.
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Helvi, once again I am deeply, profoundly disappointed at the Moderation of Wilson’s article. I dropped about 7 posts, none were published. I tried again, only 2 made it. I have tried to engage those that have responded to me. But am thwarted EVERY time!
Yet they continue to respond to others. It is , once again, a one sided affair.
It is shameful.
So, you are another of Barnes’ admirers? That makes about 4 of you now. I shall have to read to join the conversation.
And you are most welcome. I thought it a most peculiar response.
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JG, on the same blog someone called Gerard a jerk, someone must have alerted the Mods, it’s now deleted and rightly so 🙂
I was ‘gently’ critical of Brigitte Dwyer’s(?) article, some much harsher ones got published, but not mine.
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Forgive me Helvi, i am beyond consolation! Those fucking buffoon muttonheads at Moderation ( yes, I am restraining myself) are treating us like children and am utterly disgusted!!
At everything!
How dare they distort and manufacture!
How dare they disrespect the voices of others (like myself)!?!?!
I supported atomou’s sensible post – it was culled.
Mitor’s juvenalia was then published……and my response to his dross was also culled!?!?!
I am stunned.
I am appalled.
arghhhhhhhhhhhhhrefghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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And now Wilson is responding to me with the baby dummy quip “don’t read me then”.
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRYH
DDDDDDDDDDDFFFFFFFFFFFJJJJJJJJJJJJLOP!
Fucking appalling!
I am deeply, profoundly, embarrassed to find myself in such company.
I don’t know whatever possessed me to think that I could find adult conversation on a national forum.
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JG, you can stop swearing (like Conroy and me), many of your ‘haikus’ popped up after all.
I have always thought that Mitor is a female poster.
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Helvi, I apologise for the language. In my defense I would like to say that it was an honest expression of my feelings.
Let me continue that now:
1.What “popped up” (except for one) were the tiny tweetish rebuttals. All of the longer, more deliberate, considered and specific, arguments failed publication. All of them. This is not the first time that that has happened on her articles. I am not holding her responsible, I am simply stating the fact that no more than 2 or 3 detailed rebuttals/questions make it to publication…..and I suspect they are included to provide the fuel for the likes of herself, her blog stablemates and her supporters.
2. J. Wilson continued her disrespectful treatment of adversarial voices. Rather than argue specific points she turns to the quip; juvenile and irrelevant. I was a recipient, as was Budovski, as were many others. I find that approach contemptuous. She also steadfastly refuses to respond to legitimate and specific questions. Her tactic is misdirection or condescension. Neither of which I can countenance.
There are more…..but i am upset and disappointed at it all.
I believe Mitor to be a chap in his late 30’s with a young family. He has not been to University and wears that regret heavily……bitterly.
But I could be wrong on all counts. Funston could in fact be right….after all, what do we know…about anybody?
I argue with him primary on the religious.
I have spent the better part of 6 months, perhaps longer, on trying to get him to locate his contradictions…..trying to get him to see beyond his hatred and fear.
I noticed atomou trying to do the same yesterday.
Anyway, I understand you and J. Wilson are friends, so I shall refrain from spilling my angst over into your space.
I hope you had a lovely day on your birthday.
Tell us a little of it if you care.
And was seeing Gerard in a pair of fishnet stockings a surprise? 😉
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JG, as I said before JW is no friend nor enemy of mine, I defended her because she was at times unfairly attacked, and after all I had asked her to contribute to the Drum for some balance after all the MTR articles.
As for Mitor, to me she sounds like a female,also she has mentioned her kids and referred to a husband…not many males talk about their kids…
Perhaps some of your longer contributions are too academic for a such fast-moving format as the Drum…on Friday afternoons they pile them up for only to close them after few hours.
As for the Birthday, it fell on the same day as our Balmain mates’ Christmas do…
Good as always…something bothered me somewhat, there were so many interesting, attractive, well read, well travelled women without partners. A French woman lamented that she had exhausted all avenues and after listing her disappointments she put it down to Sydney being full of lovely gay males, good as friends, but…I promised to keep my eyes open for her… 🙂
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I did well on Unleashed/Drum today. However, for the first time had one post censored – they cut out the last sentence whereby I suggested Dove should bugger off from my beloved ABC. Various articles now closing for comment just as I was warming up. Bummer.
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Don’t you love it. Friday theys seem to take off early, s by the time I get home they’re done for the day. Much the same during the week though I get the odd post up. With Holidays from the end of the week they’ll probably shut down for a month knowing my luck.
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hmm
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Sorry, John, your comment fell into our spam trap – your Email address ?
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A succinct and truthful summation, which marries what I have been writing in here for 4 years.
Expect a revolution from the right; the cultured and the educated ──── although they have a daunting task, as the highly controlled army are at God’s whim. And God of course leaves it all to The Ayatollahs ──── who of course know how to administer the best medicine!
4 times, no avail
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Just to prove that The Pig’s Arms is not a total whinge-fest against the ABC, there’s a beautiful piece by Sally Sara – as she prepares to finish up her stint in Kabul.
Check it out here http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-12-04/sally-sara-farewells-afghanistan/3711410?WT.svl=news3
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Yes I read that Emmmmmmm, however it was short on opinion. I would have likd more detail. She didn’t give much away.
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Emmjay – after the quietest week I’ve ever had on the Drum forums – 2 posts on 20 or so attempts – I have followed your counsel and changed name…..with immediate results!
I issued 4 posts under J.G.Cole and my email….at the same time I issued 2 posts under my new pseudonym with no email (ta Funston).
Only the new pseudonym was published!
(Was J.G.Cole that offensive?!?!)
Anyway…onward I go!
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My pleasure, JG – onwards and up them, that’s what I say. I am both ashamed and proud at the same time of the pseud I once got posted on Alan Moran’s rubbish – I was really annoyed by the ridiculous climate change denialism coming from an apologist for Big Coal, so I posted under the pseud of “Yorick Hunt” 🙂 Such class 🙂
The most amazing thing was that they published it – obviously not taking the time to say it aloud 🙂
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Just having a pop at TOMOKATU, on behalf of Mark…(remember, he chased him in here to call him a bigot)…It probably won’t get up as I have been insulting.
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There can’t be any guarantees, can there? Business is fickle and so are the buyers of their products.
The owners of companies have to make radical decisions about marketing budgets, obsolete lines, investment, expansion and contraction.
There is simply NO case for saying that a worker should be paid AND then take a share of something that they are NOT responsible for. The employers don’t have job security. They don’t even have asset security.
Yours is a typical attitude of greed: get as much as you can without any risk.
Well that’s OK, but don’t expect the job-creators to keep you on when times change.
The shoe and garment manufacturing of yesteryear has gone East, along with the jobs–yet you still want your job?
Why don’t you get off your a**e Tomo and be creative?
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VL, and now we have chased Mark away , he seems to write perfectly sensible posts on the Drum….if we get too tough we’ll have no one left…
I was hurt by Hung calling me a racist, but there has been more hurtful comments by others.
My comment to you was on the Union blog….just a harmless little one-liner, nothing serious.
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You can always rely on The Brits. We stay the course and finish the job…..don’t you worry about that.
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Where were you then J.G. ?…Below.
They don’t allow now, sigh .
PS. I was Hadron Collider……then.
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Morning Funston.
Hah! I was there….I remember that exchange.
And, if memory serves, I was under my previous pseudonym.
YOU were Hadron Collider?!?!?!
God God man!
Anyone else I should know about?
Go back about 2 years.
That reminds me – if I known you were Funston when I first walked in here I would have punched you in the nose and said “Good day to you too”!
😉
I had nothing published at all on Young, Farnsworth or Campbell’s articles!!!
I may need to change both email and name.
It appears that ABC Mods read this site and have noticed me calling them “fucking capricious muttonheaded soft fools with no genitalia”……or something like that.
I am chatting with atomou, gerard, asty and Voice on the other page.
Join us Brother Vectis!
Come…..join the fray……
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Gee, deleted already, just like the Drum
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VL, I remember that party at Horton’s place, that nice bloke Hudson was there too, I miss him he was honourble and never nasty.
I hope it wasn’t our JG who finally chased him away from the Drum. I remember a six-week discussion on Wilson/MTR(? ) blog, whatever he said he was always ‘wrong’….it’s a pity..
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Helvi.I remember it well….perhaps too well.
Much was lost on that day – Hudson, my pseudonym and my……innocence.
‘Tis a pity indeed.
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It is a glorious sunny day here….we have friends coming over to sit in the garden and drink and eat and chat.
Expect you all in about……one hour?
See you then!
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If you ever said anything sensible JG one could reply
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You are not Hudson, he made sense
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If you were Hudson you would know Hung One On
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Hadron Collider :
25 Apr 2011 9:12:08pm
A poster below exuded, “love your stuff David”. You’re ever whimsy, ever pleasant and ever partially fey–and I love it too.
My choice would be to have dinner with some of the worthies mentioned, with the addition of David Attenborough & A.A.Milne. The prolificness of event witnessing is not always apparent at the time── and only seems to be a life changing event in retrospect. Apart from the signing of The Magna Carta I suppose.
I would love to see a piece from you extolling your favourite moments; in turn giving us (your fans} a chance to boast. Fully pseudoed of course 🙂
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David Horton :
25 Apr 2011 9:47:10pm
Thank you very much Hadron, much appreciated.
Are you suggesting additional “moments” or more discussion about the “why” of each? I was hoping with this list that people would ask “why” about the ones they didn’t know, or about the particular aspect, or combination of people, I had chosen. Perhaps I need to do a more selective but expansive list in the future?
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chris ozman :
01 May 2011 8:12:18pm
No, perhaps you just need to give up David. Your never-ending, self-important replies (unlike almost all other Drum Contributors) quickly wears thin.
The supreme air of confidence you insinuate in your writing, that I am of the rational age and you other poor fools who have “beliefs” are sad, mislead individuals of the un-enlightened era really makes me vomit. Leave room for thought, and respect those whose opinions differ from yours. This is the difference between knowledge and wisdom.
I know which one I humbly seek.
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Helvi :
26 Apr 2011 7:39:07am
Hadron, can I come if I bring Astrid Lindgren and a plate of Fairybread; oh no, now Pippi Longstocking wants to come too.. 🙂
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David Horton :
26 Apr 2011 2:05:27pm
Now Beatrix Potter has heard the commotion and wants to come. So I guess that means Edith Nesbit too. But for heavens sake not too much noise or Enid Blyton will be there before we can lock the door.
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Hudson Godfrey :
26 Apr 2011 9:57:33pm
Lewis Carroll wants to come too, asks if you’ve room for a walrus 😉
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David Horton :
26 Apr 2011 10:14:48pm
I am the walrus.
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Hadron Collider :
27 Apr 2011 9:02:35pm
“I’m not lost for I know where I am. But however, where I am may be lost.”
A.A.Milne
I feel like that in some of these articles 🙂
JL
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David Horton :
28 Apr 2011 5:20:53am
Me too, JL, me too. I will endeavour to keep us both lost wherever we are.
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Good old Joe Strummer, he got the last say about that odious jerk Slipper.
Sneaked a Greek reference in, especially for atomou 😉
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Wow,! that (below) got up.
And Ruby got my point and answered on her blog.
Gerrad, forget my question about The Neutral Carbon tax. What do you think of the situation in Syria.
I just need a giggle before I go to bed 😉
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I suppose the ALP, can at least claim that Slipper is ‘our’ bas**rd now?
He can’t be there for long, he won’t have a seat much longer. However Gillard, ‘the lady who ‘is’ for turning, must see him as useful for a few months. Good riddance.
I put a couple of asterisks in, to see if it gets up.
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VL, this morning nothing came up before eleven or so, three of mine and two of gerard’s did not appear. I think there was some mishap again…later on the same or similar posts of ours were put up. It’s all very mysterious over there. Rather a boring day at the drum.
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European wank, wank wank, It is someone else fault not mine…
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This won’t get up either.
It’s great in here. I’ve got me own place.
The biggest ‘windmill tilter’ in history, presiding over farragoism and getting lauded by the left. Laughable really, excepting that they take it all seriously. Day after day, Gillard and T.W.G.T running around stamping out tinder & kindling, with buckets of froth.
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Trantor, must be having an affair with one of the moderators. She writes the same myopic drivel week after week, and I can’t get one sentence up—week after week.
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