The Dump is:
For posting comments that don’t get up at the Drum, and for having a pleasant, mirthful or enlightening off-topic discussion.
It’s not for personal abuse of other commenters.
Please do that somewhere else if you must.
Play nicely or piss off.
However, why doesn’t a poster add a link for us to read and comment on here, much quicker. Maybe we can do a bit more bagging here, not that I speak for the moderators, yet.
NB: Being tiresome and boring, racist, sexist or just plain creepy is not playing nicely.
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The Pig’s Arms exists because a dozen or so years ago our other favourite playpen – the ABC’s Unleashed blogsphere started to go off. Like a sack of prawn heads in the sun. Something had to be done.
Moderation was taking forever. Comments seemed to be rejected randomly – outrageous ones appeared and reasoned ones were pinged. When they released the Drum / Unleashed ….. things actually got worse !
So many pieces from professional writers appear with no obvious merit. And the moderation has become, to put it frankly, appalling.
As a former contributor and a commenter, I was deeply disappointed at the plummeting quality from our pre-eminent media empire. And I resented so many challenging or dare I say, witty or funny posts in which we’ve invested seconds of our precious time – getting the chop.
So here, for all our benefit – is an open slather blog. Copy and paste your best rejected comments here for posterity. Does not matter whether you’re posting on the Guardian, First Dog on the Moon or wherever else.
And sprinkle pointers to the Pig’s Arms amongst your comments. Let’s try to rescue some of the old faithful.
Cheers,
Emm.
Window Dresser's Arms, Pig & Whistle 
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2013/07/26/police-name-four-suspects-over-cianjur-boat-sinking.html
I see that the Indonesian press, calls the human cargo, ‘illegal’.
it seems high time that we discontinued giving Indonesia; 550m AUD pa.
And in the most recent boat capsize they were only 50 meters – (that’s to the end of Algernon’s garden) – from Java.
How on earth can we rescue these people, if they are in Java.
Note that this tragedy wasn’t even reported in The Jakarta Post? What’s going on?
Now if anyone can blame this on our government, I’d like to here how?
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I had a quick look at what the French press had to say about it. It’s sometimes interesting to get a more distant perspective. Turns out that Miss World was held in Indonesia this year, and Miss France came second.
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That’s the problem Jules. There have been many such incidents where the boat was very close to Indonesia shores and the Libs blamed Labor every time. This latest one had the boat in difficulties some kilometres out and it turned itself back. You can’t now pick and choose who is to blame. Though I don’t blame Australia at all. Just saying.
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Hey Carisbrooke, You’ve been a bad, bad boy! I leave you alone for a couple of days and you create all this chaos! Try to be nice to people, or do you want to be sent to naughty corner? If you want to insult anybody, go ahead and insult me only. I don’t mind.
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I don’t know anything about you. I thought that you were Hung one On, however someone said otherwise.
You wrote that you knew everyone, very very well. So how do you explain that?
Maybe you are another of Helvi’s pseuds?
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Are you smoking dog-poo ?
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Thank you for civilly advancing the discussion, hph.
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Sea, this is something between me and him. Sometimes he insults me, and sometimes I make fun of him. But I never humiliate or dishonour him, and vice versa. Even though he insults me every now and then, I still like him. You know why I like him, Sea? …because he is one of those rare right wing nuts who is NOT a psychopath. And I don’t like right wing nut psychopaths – I dislike them immensely. If I rub him the right way, he agrees with me, silently. Sometimes I agree with some of his comments at The Drum, too.
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Just got back from walking my dogs.
A couple of things.
I don’t know your real name Vivienne, and I don’t want to know. We are pseudonyms in here. However you shouldn’t have butted in with my tiff with Helvi/helvitnii/brokomon/gerad aldygaga. It was between two pseuds.
Now you meant libel, when you wrote slander. However, that would be a first. A pseud suing a pseud! What a quaint idea. And stupid.
Helvi/hevitiny/Brokon, bullied ‘atomou’ out of here and bullied ‘Voice’ out of here and now they are bullying “sea mendez,” who they say is ‘Voice’ – and me. Yes me. helvi/helvitini (whoever she is) threatened me!!!.: “cop the consequences”, earlier today. I left months ago because everyone obviously tacitly supported Hung’s abuse – violent expletive ridden abuse. Also, as I made clear on many occasions that I objected to using swear words and violent language at MPs ect. it’s a cop out, if you can’t use the correct words to express yourself. And I objected to atomou being bullied. A tag team he called them I think.
I look forward to any libellous action with great relish. Relish as deep as my pockets!
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Excuse me ,Carisbrooke. I write under one name :HELVI, which is part of HELVItyni, as I had problems with wordpress, can’t even remember what that was about, so I changed from Helvi to helvityni because of it and use my ONE e-mail address not sharing Gerard’s…
Gerard used to sometimes write on Unleashed as Brokon, he was being silly and humorous, he wasn’t hiding, everybody knew it was him……
I don’t even read your or Voice’s and SM’s posts, I hardly come here anymore. I was shocked when I saw the murderer post of yours. . This is my last post for you.
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It was Brkon not Brokon. Now go and wash your mouth out. I write under my own name but admit to having used Brkon as well.
If the worry is 4 letter words, gee, close you ears when reading some of Atomou’s. Not that I mind or care.
Here, just in case in case you think I am worried about mere words. ( that’s all they are Carisbrooke): Fuck, Cunt, Prick, pee pee, poo poo, Dick, donger, snatch, willy, woo woo, wra wra, wop wop, wip wip. etc.
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More bullying. There’s none so blind as cannot see.
Here’s some swearing; ‘you are a nasty sanctimonious prick’. Angry at the world for some reason. It comes across in everything that you write.
And you and Helvi are forgetting the reason that I, and The Coalition are so angry.
Once more for the last time: 100 deaths. It doesn’t seem to sink in, despite numerous genuine bloggers pointing it out in The Drum.
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Correction; one thousand.
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I’m not suggesting suing anyone. I used the word slander as I don’t regard anything ‘published’ here is publishing in the real world. Vivienne is my real name. I wrote about it ages ago when I commented on Unleashed as Vivienne and then another person used my name but wrote the opposite views. Everyone butts in here Jules. I found your comment offensive personally because I see it as your view of anyone who doesn’t agree with you and Abbott and Morrison & Co. By the way I completely missed Hung’s episode. I don’t think I have ever bullied anyone.
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No you haven’t bullied.
It’s about the deaths Vivienne. it’s always been about the deaths at sea.
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Carisbrooke I still think youre out of line. You should back down but now I’m hoping you dont. I’m looking forward to the trial of the century.
You touch on a point that frustrates me. The double standard and blindspot that exists around standards of civility. Its a theme that fascinates D-N-H-F.
If its sauce for the goose…
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But you’re Voice? You’ve been accused. How do you plead?
Anyways, I’m off to watch the end of SBS news. I watched the beginning, eating pisang susu with home made chocolate sauce.
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Accused indeed! 🙂
And you’re well behind the news, Caz. His first comment here was a rebuttal of that
extreme flatteryaccusation. A rebuttal that I supported with the addition of a comment that it was about time Helvi stopped it. I add here it’s about time her husband stops it too.Oh, and when I made the comment, her husband DELETED it. Gerard used his privileges here at the PA to delete another commenter’s comment. Just after he’d used his privileges to put up an article attempting to bully atomou, and just after he’d used them to delete a comment of atomou’s re objected to. (I reinstated both deleted comments but decide to re-delete atomou’s because reinstating made gerard’s nasty sneer about Greeks and atomou’s subsequent meltdown reaction re-appear).
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I’ll say it straight. No jokes. No subtlety.
If some people didnt resort to personal abuse (not to mention group abuse including racial abuse) so often, I’d take their proteststions about abuse more seriously.
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I am asking Mike if he could arrange to put Jules in solitary for a suitable length of time. I find his latest comments regarding Helvi and Gerard an abomination in the extreme.
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To think that Hung One was banned for a lot less. At least he was genuinely contrite and never bullied.
Odd, how personal bullying keeps rearing its head here. Is there a gene? I bully issues but never contributors. There is a difference.
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Come on, gerard! A hit piece on Atomou? Not bullying? Why do you think it was taken down? Why did your friends admonish you?
Since when did bullying the issue involve naming someone in the headline?
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It is sad that sandshoe last week made an impassioned plea for this to stop and was feeling alienated as a result. There are some who are more intent on trolling, hurling abuse and just being downright unpleasant.
I know that when Emm banned HOO he didn’t take that action lightly, It affected him to take that action but it was in his best interests and I’m sure if HOO looked back on it he’d say the same.
This abuse though is on a greater scale than anything that has happened before. I don’t get what a couple of those who are trolling get out of this or why they aren’t prepared to contribute or even interested in contributing. Perhaps its time they had a long hard look at themselves, took time out an moved on.
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Arguing is not trolling Algernon. trolling is specific. You can look it up.
We are having a full scale written argument. I can’t see that it ia abuse either. metaphors, similes and synonyms, are often used in arguments.
And this doesn’t compare to the insulting abuse that Hung wrote – several times.
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Algernon I think trolling is an accusation thrown too easily. Its been thrown at me at The Drum and I resent it. I have my thoughts, I want to express my thoughts. I cant help but see the accusation applied to me as an attempt to shut me up.
I’ll admit I’ve breached a standard I set myself. Out of respect to the Landlord I decided not to get into bickering. Yet here I am today. It was my decision. I engaged. I’m not blaming anyone else. It takes two to tango and I’m tangoing.
If he wished to eject me I’d wear it. Its his pub and I do hold him in esteem, even if we disagree on idealogical issues. But I’d hold my head high with other patrons. I’ve done nothing I havent seen several others do.
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Here’s a definition from Wikipedia “In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.”
If you think what is going on here is an argument then I’ll eat my hat.
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I responded to a post by gerard, about asylum seekers dying.So hardly off topic.
They do die. Tony Abbott has been saying it for years.
I said it today and blamed the people who caused it. The Alp and their supporters. And as the most vociferous, in here – for enticing them – have been Helvi and gerad, I let them have it. they have called and called for more boats and to let the arivals striaght out into the community. The result of that attitude is that more take the trip.
I laid it on the line, because it’s obvious to me that there is little though given to what’s happening.
One has to be brutal to get the point over.
I remain dubious as to whether I have. I am not sensing any guilt from the encouragers. At least a small apology to their families should be made. I know that it’s hard to eat crow, but even The ALP have acknowledged what they h did.
Nobody in here has? ??Maybe I’m the only one that cares (that is sarcasm Algernon, as I’m sure that you do care).
To be honest, I’m fed up with pointing things out to people who are too dumb to see what members their own party have admitted.
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It would be truly amazing if asylum seekers were reading The Pigsarms.
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I think he went too far. I’m dissapointed he didnt back down when I prompted him. I will note in his defence he’s not alone in expressing extreme hostility here. Some are more subtle than Jules. Some are better at brinkmanship. I think Atomou’s been on the end of that and could tell you more about it. Something about Greeks and cottage cheese from memory.
Just an observation. Im a blow in so I wont lecture the landlord. In fact I feel Ive imposed too much on his patience the last few days.
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Carisbrooke, could you please refrain calling anyone here a murderer. Thank you.
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If you read my reply to sea mendez , you’ll see that I changed it.
Carisbrooke says:
September 29, 2013 at 9:43 am…Conspiracy to murder.
You see you and Gerard are guilty of enticing, even though you knew that people would drown.
I, on the other hand, want them to stay in Indonesia, where they will be safe. Hence, I support rejecting the boats – so they don’t attempt an activity that kills them. The activity that you and gerard encourage.
So you ‘are’ guilty.
In fact conspiracy is pretty serious.It often carries the same penalty; usually a custodial sentence.
You can’t deny it, as it’s logged in writing.
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Jules you have now totally slandered two very good people. Your logic belongs in a garbage pit. I can’t really think of any printable words to describe your mindset other than very very sick.
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Grow up.
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29 of September, posted at 7.15 Am, as a reply to Gerard: Murderer.
Please, do not do it again, or cop the consequences, I am serious.
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Grow up.
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Can you imagine parliamentarians anywhere in the word going to a man’s wedding such as Michael Smith’s?
George Brandis and Barnaby Joyce did just that. What sort of cowboy outfit do we have in power? Ok, let Barnaby Joyce through the gate, but Brandis, our Attorney general?
Here is just a whiff of the man.
Michael Smith is unashamedly ‘old school’. With a family history in the military and a background in law enforcement, he considers himself a defender of Australia’s traditional values. ( meaning Anglo ‘white’ values )
He’s as “mad as hell” that Australian politicians are failing in what he sees as their fundamental duty – the defence of our national borders. (As if we are under any threat of an invasion)
He believes in “keeping Australia the way it is” and fears that by “importing tribes” to who can’t assimilate we run the risk of homegrown terrorism. ( you mean those bikie gangs are all Nigerians?)
He relented somewhat during his trip to ‘Go back were you came from’, but on return soon reverted to his racist’s views and used his radio waffle to whip up xenophobia.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-28/capsized-boat-passengers-say-they-called-australia-for-help/4986920
Survivors say they rang Australian authorities for help on Thursday when both the boat’s engines broke during the voyage.
They say they tried to fix the engines but failed.
Eventually, the motor pumping water off the boat ran out of petrol and the boat started taking on water, asylum seekers say.
They then hit rough seas and capsized only 50 metres from the shore.
At least 28 asylum seekers have been found alive, but local authorities fear about 80 people were on the boat.
Survivor Abdullah Al Qisi says that as the boat broke up, only those who could swim made it to the shore alive.
A section of the boat’s hull washed up on the south coast of west Java. Photo: A section of the boat’s hull washed up on the south coast of west Java. (ABC News: George Roberts)
After the sinking the beach was littered with broken pieces of the boat and the bodies of about 21 people, including many children.
One survivor told ABC News he had lost his whole family because Australian rescuers did not come when they phoned a day before the sinking.
“We called the Australian Government for 24 hours, they were telling us ‘we’re coming, we’re coming, we’re coming,’ and they didn’t come,” he said.
“We sent them the position on the GPS, exactly where are we, and we drowned and nobody came.
“This is because of the Australian Government. I want them to know that.”
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I knew a survivor, who said that he had walked across the Simpson desert and a Treasurer that swore blind that he would produce a suplus, even when – as we no know – ho knew that he couldn’t.
So, I aske the question, why is Abdullah Al Qisi’s version of events more reliable than anyone else’s?
Well of course, it isn’t. And why would you ring Australia, when you are in Indonesia – and expect help.
A police official from the district of Cianjur near where the boat sank has said his officers were only alerted to the incident after bodies were discovered floating in an estuary on Friday morning. –
Also this: A spokesman for BASARNAS (Indonesian search and rescue) also says his office was not advised of an incident involving an asylum-seeker boat until 8am local time on Friday.
However it does make one question the honesty of people who one minute dismiss anecdotal rhetoric, yet embrace it the next.
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There’s no reason to doubt the honesty of eye witness’ account. He saw what he saw.
What he didn’t see was going on (or not going on) in the control rooms in Indonesia and Australia. He didn’t see plane and the merchant vessel that apparently attended couldn’t find them. He didn’t hear the general alert issued by Australian authorities (even though it seems they were in the Indonesian SAR zone).
This is classic Gerard. Draw a conclusion and hone in that facts that suit. Ignore utterly anything that doesn’t suit. When the latter are placed before you, stick your fingers in your ears and repeat the former.
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No, it was the ABC that made the conclusion. Here, just in case you have missed it, perhaps dosed off again;
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-28/capsized-boat-passengers-say-they-called-australia-for-help/4986920
Classic Voice, Sea-mendez and a host of all the other pseudos C.Birch uses, not just skirting on the edge of personal abuse.
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I was referring to the man saying that he rang Australia. We can’t verify that at this point. I mean who did he ring and when.
Gerd, why are you using blogger’s names when instead of a pen name?
Please don’t do that. It’s against all of the principles.
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I’ve read the article. Its an ABC article and true to their professional standards it doesn’t draw conclusions. This is an extremely basic misunderstanding on your behalf.
It faithfully reports a victim’s conclusion that the Australian government is responsible. A conclusion I suspect you have also drawn. If I’m wrong please set me straight.
Your Idee Fixee about my identity used to amuse me. This next bit is honest. Its not a dig. I now find it distressing on your behalf. You really need to get over it.
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The only conclusions the ABC (not gerard) can draw are from some of the survivors. I prefer those (the ABC’s) then those from Carisbrooke or Voice. The Government uses ‘no can tell’. So, wat de ye wont?
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A very fundamental blogging principle, Carisbrooke. It’s a complete disgrace.
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Maybe gerard could tell us which Australian government vessels were within range, capable of conducting a night-time search and rescue close to the Indonesian shore, were ordered not to attend.
Within range is of course dependent on fuel load and fuel consumption at the relevant speed. I’m sure gerard can tell us which vessels were close, capable and provisioned.
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Gerard didn’t say they were within range or any such thing. He has, to the best of my knowledge, just posted information from the ABC without comment from himself.
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Jules, they always ring Australia first – have been doing that for some years (fact). They don’t want to go back to Indonesia – that is just as it is for them. The survivor’s version is just that – things as he saw it.
I could get picky about Abbott not spending his first week with Aboriginal as promised, but I won’t. Abbott didn’t write that down in blood so I can’t hold him to account.
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Could you imagine Italy or Greece invoking the armed forces to return the thousands that flood their shores each week? Take them back to Ethiopia, Nigeria, The Sudan, Syria, Iraq. Lebanon.
Australia is colluding in crimes against humanity.
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What do they do with them, gerad? And how many of them are there? For instance, how many Nigerians, or Iraqis are there and why?
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You might be right there, gerard. As far as I’m aware Italy didn’t use the armed forces for forced repatriation of boat people – they used the police.
Yawn.
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I can’t see why our boats shouldn’t patrol The Greek shoreline, after all we are now supposed to rescue the boats when they are a few meters off Indonesian soil. I wish that they would make up there minds.
One minute they are telling us to fuck off; the next minute, were told that we need to be stationed so close to their shoreline that we could pick Durians off the tree.
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And it has been that way for some years now Jules. This is not new.
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We aren’t the only country in the world with patrol boats. I expect the Mediterranean is full of Northern European ships waiting close to the shores of Northern Africa to take Middle Eastern refugees to their home countries. We’d only cause overcrowding.
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Off to the farmer’s market. There’s plenty of immigrant’s stalls there. They sell some luverly stuff.
They couldn’t come by boat, they didn’t have the money. Genuine refugees don’t. When they flee they just have their T shirts.
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That is not correct Jules. Some do and some don’t.
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From the SMH today : ” Two of Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s most high-profile ministers claimed thousands of dollars in taxpayer entitlements for attending the wedding of close friend and Sydney shock jock Michael Smith.
It was a little less than two years ago and Smith had just left 2UE after a falling out over his attempt to raise allegations about then prime minister Julia Gillard’s relationship with a former union official and the misappropriation of funds.
He was tearing up the dance floor.
The shock jock did not have a best man. But two close friends spoke: George Brandis, then one of the Abbott opposition’s lead attack dogs and now Attorney-General, and deputy Nationals leader Barnaby Joyce. Mr Joyce read a poem called Fair Dinkum Love. Senator Brandis made a bridal speech before dominating the dance floor.
According to travel expenses lodged with the Department of Finance, the duo collectively billed taxpayers nearly $3000 for flights, hire cars and incidental expenses incurred on the trip.
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Senator Brandis claimed $1700, including more than $1000 on return flights, $143 on a hire car and the overnight ”official business” allowance designed to cover accommodation and incidentals.
He told Fairfax Media on Saturday that he regarded the wedding as a chance to ”foster collaboration” over Mr Smith’s work covering the then prime minister and the Craig Thomson scandal and it was therefore ”primarily a professional rather than a social engagement”.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/ministers-claimed-costs-for-wedding-trip-20130928-2ul6a.html#ixzz2gEXDifjI ”
So that is all just fine and dandy apparently. Can they get any more hypocritical? Probably.
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Its not hypocritical. They’re born to rule, remember?
I talked to a bloke about accounting at my brother’s bucks. Might claim the lingerie waitresses as tax deduction.
Speaking of hypocrisy, that situation did offend my feminist sensibilities. I declined an invitation to eat sushi placed on one of them. That was too much.
Once again I (the arch-conservative) found myself to the left of a vocal-progressive in the form of my Greens-member, humanities-academic, brother.
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Yup – do as I say not as I do.
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Yes, I saw that (I was just off to the farmer’s market).
Their explanation ids that it was in the furtherance of developing their contacts. I’ve yet to see any real detail.
Perhaps, I could get a trip to Canberra, just to heckle Sarah Hamstrung Numb :
And then claim it.
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You could do that Jules and charge your employer which I understand is yourself. But if you have since got a job with your pal Newman, send the Queensland Govt the bill.
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Interesting that this cost more that the Slipper farrago. will the Federal Police investigate as they should given the precedents. Or is there a different rule for the born to rulers.
I wonder what tomorrows stuff up will be. This is making McMahon years look like something approaching responsible government.
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Someone needs to refer it to the police which was what Brandis did re Slipper. Labor has to do a Brandis – they could and they should.
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Totally agree. It’s the only way to stop all the accusations.
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They are not accusations. These are facts.
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Of course the expenses are a matter of fact. Whether they were illegal or not, is not a fact.
Get it?
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They are not legitimate according to the handbook. There is absolutely no doubt. Get it !
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The latest from Brandis: “Attorney-General George Brandis says he has paid back almost $1700 claimed in parliamentary expenses to go to the wedding of a radio shock jock.
Senator Brandis said although he believed the function was work-related, there was “uncertainty” about the entitlement.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/george-brandis-pays-back-wedding-expenses-20130929-2um4m.html#ixzz2gFYo4tkR
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Seems it was paid back today once he got caught out illegally claiming money. No one can do a Slipper on him now. Quick off the mark once the public gets to know he truly is a cheat.
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He seems well suited to being a politician.
It’s good that we can keep account of all this in our society.
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Not finished yet – Brandis has not paid the money back. He says ‘he will’.
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For the benefit of anyone who comments anywhere – when MPs claim expenses they are not approved by some separate authority or person. The MP approves his/her own claim in accordance with the rules and his/her own standards of what is part of the role of an MP. In other words, all these expenses get approved by one person and that is the person making the claim. Expenses are automatically paid.
In this case Brandis has a lot of explaining to do. Joyce sounds like he will reimburse the Comcar expense he claimed. Chatting with some bod in some media in not the handbook.
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They should let the police examine the evidence – as they did in The Slipper Saga.
I wholeheartedly agree.
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To do as happened in the Slipper saga a person has to bring this to the attention of something like the Police. Any questions raised in the parliament stay in the parliament (if it ever sits again that is). The normal procedure has been for the relevant MP to be given the opportunity to repay the wrongly claimed monies. Just like what happened with Reith and Abbott when found out to be doing the wrong thing.
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I should add that Slipper was never given that opportunity. One rule for some and another others stinks.
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Slipper falsified documents, I think.
Didn’t he forge some vouchers or something, I can’t remember now?
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No he didn’t forge anything. The suspicion was that someone forged Thomson’s signature.
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I think Slippers problem was the vagueness of the description on the Cabcharge, that was his problem. Under Howard in 1996 both would have offered their resignations. Under Abbott it seems to be do whatever you like just don’t get caught.
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Asylum seekers on capsized boat called Australia for help.
By Indonesia correspondent George Roberts, staff
Survivors of an asylum seeker boat that sank off Indonesia say Australian rescue authorities told them help was on the way, but it never came.
Survivors from a boat that sank off the south of Java said they had raised the alarm with Australian authorities, passing on their exact location at least 24 hours before their boat sank with the loss of an estimated 59 lives.
At least 28 asylum seekers are dead and 30 are feared missing after the boat sank off Argabinta, a remote area of the coast off the Cianjur region of west Java.
There are reports that as many as 120 people were on the boat, which got into trouble in rough seas off the coast on Thursday.
The beach is littered with broken pieces of the boat and the bodies of about 21 people, including many children, have washed ashore.
A statement issued from Immigration Minister Scott Morrison’s office has confirmed that Australian authorities received a phone call about the vessel yesterday morning.
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Murderer.
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Your charge of murder is a bit rough, old chap. Maybe dial it back a little.
So was help on the way? If the wreckage washed up on a West Java beach I’m guessing it had a fair distance to cover.
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Just strolled out and picked up the paper. Morrison claims it was in the Indonesian rescue zone. Australian authorities did respond. Alerted a merchant vessel and dispatched a “Border Control” aircraft. Neither could locate the striken vessel.
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Oh and customs rescued another striken vessel on Friday.
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Gerad and his mates, have been yelling, loud and clear that they favoured the pull factor; enticing people here with dreams of release into the community accommodation and welfare payments.
It was always obvious to anyone thinking logically, that offering that, would increase the numbers of people intending to travel and risk their lives.
Toooo late, The ALP realised what they had done and tried to rectify it by their form of deterrent; firstly Manus Kamp, then Kevin’s Kamps.
Regardless of this, the blame kept falling – in gerard’s eyes on a group of people that were powerless ; the Coalition. All they (the Coalition) could do was stand by and point out the deaths that The ALP had caused.
Bearing in mind, our quota of 20,000 intake was one worked out by various strategists and specialists. (Although I notice in the debate that Albanese had with Shorten, where they were hurling feather dusters and cream buns at each other, Albanese, offered to increase the take if he wins -the leadership, then The Prime Ministership.
The boat that capsized after leaving Pelabuhan Ratu in the district of Sukabumi on the south coast of western Java, leaving bodies awash in an estuary.
Hardly in the Australian jurisdiction.
However they were coming here, heeding the calls to enticements of being settled in the community.
In law one could call it conspiracy to murder.
Meanwhile there are people waiting in camps. Genuine refugees, processed and ready – however passed by, because of the conspiracy to entice.
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I’ve noticed this about you before sea mendez. You can’t just take headlines and extracts at face value. Oh no, not you. You always have to try to find out the facts and the context. What a spoilsport!
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Voice, there’s a scene in one of the Bourne films. A dedicated team of about 30 is working computers at the CIA. They log Bourne’s passport entering Algeria. In an instant they dispatch an assassin who tracks him down and in a crowded city in less than an hour. Lucky the assassin wasn’t sick that day or at a birthday party or coaching his daughter’s soccer team.
People watch this stuff and form impressions. They assume governments are capable of this real-time omniscience and this unerring competence. And that security agencies don’t suffer the same resourcing problems that community services do. Someone says ‘Search and Rescue’ and they hear ‘Rescue’ assuming the Search bit is a fait-d-acc… a fate-d… a foregone conclusion. Finding and rescuing someone in the ocean takes time, resources and luck. It doesn’t always go smoothly.
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Speaking of search and rescue – has anyone caught sight of atomou today? At last report he was about to partake in some barbaric family ritual involving meat pies and beer.
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Some more homework for you. ( While watching the football competition.)
http://www.smh.com.au/national/australia-ignored-boat-rescue-call-claims-survivor-20130928-2uku2.html
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Don’t get me going geard. It’s people like you that have encourged these people to risk their lives.
As I’ve written before; you have blood on your hands.
After you started encouraging them there has been 1000 fatalities.
1 fucking thousand. You should hang your head in shame.
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1. No Australian has ever encouraged any of this. Stop tell lies.
2. Who knows the truth of this matter – we aren’t being told anything but headlines now have survivor saying boat was 50 metres off land.
3. It is all pretty crazy now but by your standards it is all now your fault and Abbott’s fault.
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It’s been widely acknowledged that it is the pull factor, and that when Rudd came in he changed things for the worse.
The Drum and The PA, has been full of how callous it was to try to stop the boats; The only method available of stopping the deaths. 100 to date.
I could table the posts, which of course anyone can read on the www, and then be pulled and beguiled into spending the huge sums on dangerous travel.
I wasn’t aware that you were ignorant of all this Vivienne. I knew that you couldn’t have been proud of The ALP’s Kamp empire, however I would have thought that you knew the reason, that you built them.
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Actually it was the PUSH factor Jules. You never get a thing darn thing right even when you are trying to use factual information you get it totally arse up. I certainly did not/ do not support sending asylum seekers to Manus or Nauru. People have always wanted to come to Australia for many reasons and asylum seekers are no exception. You came here Jules. Over the years I have said relatively very little on the subject except to say I can’t understand the claims about the problem when we have 180,000 (not long before that it was 250,000) people migrating here each year. I’ve always said let in more asylum seekers/refugees and less ‘ordinary migrants’. they are all people. I say that it is your understanding which is selectively ignorant. I have always believed that this ‘issue’ and the matter of dealing with climate change should not be politicised but that is the nasty and foul way of Liberals.
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The figure is 20,000. If any elected government want to increase it, that’s OK by me. That’s what we elect them for – to make decisions on our behalf.
There is a push factor affecting approx 40 million world wide, however people only drown when they are told stories about the successful jumping the queue by boat. These stories are compounded in writing in blogs like Emmjay’s; here. Wherein gerad pleads that Australia is huge and the potential for supporting Asylum seeker is infinite.
The economic refugees in other countries monitor the sentiment. in other words r they are reading what you have written. Well not the destitute worthy refugees. They don’t have money to buy iPhones, computers and RayBans – as the sailors do.
if one says, as gerad and Helvi did, “I can’t understand why we can’t let them all in”, it entices them on to the boats.
They are not going to bother going through a UN process, when they are enticed by a few Australians fighting for them to get on dangerous boats. they ‘will’ get on dangerous boats. It’;s the dangerous boats that kill them, not the UN application process.
It seems clear that Gillard, was seeking to deter asylum seekers, because in her ‘breaking silence’ piece of writing in The guardian, 14th Sept, she says this , “In reviewing all this, Labor needs to be clear-eyed about what failed and what worked. The new approach of resettling refugees in a country other than Australia is working. It had been canvassed internally for some time and Kevin did well to so rapidly reach agreement with Papua New Guinea. Having instituted this arrangement, Labor should be publicly clear about its effectiveness otherwise the Coalition will claim credit for the fact fewer boats are now arriving.”
Anyway, it doesn’t matter, we’re stuck with Kevin & Julia’s effing Kamps now.
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Some homework for you!
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-27/steffen-ipcc-report/4984656
Those on the left, can just write yes and those on the extreme right, can just say nay.
Those endowed with extreme honesty can tell the truth 🙂
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The IPCC met in Stockholm. That should bring out my aquaintance D-N-H-F come Monday. The mods mark him hard these days. We’ll see how he goes.
I’ve convinced him to curb his enthusiasm and only post here if rejected at The Drum. He got a bit out of hand the other day I reckon.
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Now that I’ve read it, can’t see what your comment here has to do with it.
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It’s just a general jibe at the way the support is split up. Nothing sinister.
I was thinking that you and I, together with (some) others inside, and outside this blog,come into the last category.
One thing that I can’t stand is sheeple, supporting something regardless of whether they understand it or not. Although in this case the evidence is more comprehensive than it was when people/writers/bloggers, started taking sides.
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Climate change is not a matter about which people should make jibes. It is a very serious matter and it is happening. Abbott’s government are acting like complete ignorant fools.
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The anti Aboooters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVG3FeVt1mw
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OMG. You just made me look at the time and its LATE. Got to get on with things. Bonne journée.
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I am preparing my innards for some horrible treatment tomorrow!! It’s tradition!
Every time the Hawks are playing in the grand finale, we must assemble at my brother-in-law’s (a psychotic fan) house and eat Four ‘n Twenties with sauce -the real dog’s eyes with dead horse!- and drink beer till we can’t remember why we are there.
Luckily, this traditional ceremony is seldom practiced!
Yes, Up the Hawkers! Hip pip! etc!
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You’re a braver man than I, atomou!
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And, truth be known I’m even more of a man than you, at least until tomorrow!
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I wish I knew the antidote to Four ‘n Twenties but I suspect it isn’t beer. Perhaps you could line your stomach with ouzo in advance. Good luck.
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How did I do that? Must have pressed a button somehow. Anyway, La Chatte, c’est moi.
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Mais… qui êtes-vous la chat ou la petite vieille dame? Ou les deux?
Ey? Own up now!
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I play both of course. Who else?
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There IS an antidote but it is not a dose of anything one drinks or eats. It is to dance the Zorba most vigorously after each mouthful, which, though most Greeks love this dance, none of them does it after eating pies. Kalamari, perhaps, but never a pie.
They do not wish to dishonour the traditional agony that follows this crap eating ceremony.
Personally, before sitting at the table I utter the words, “Mr Four ‘n Twenty” we, who are about to die, curse you!”
It does nothing for the innards but it does give a lovely, loving, understanding hug to one’s soul.
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Pity the tradition cannot be changed. Anything involving torture should not be repeated. Such a sad story Ato.
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Does a 4 & 20 contain any meat?
Carn Freo.
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Only but a carnage of carnal matter, Algie! A mere caricature of flesh!
I don’t know what else is in the wretched thing but I know from experience that after each pie I eat, I feel quite unwell for many hours later. Lacking in spirits or something. Not my full vigour, as it were. And alcohol, these days (even ouzo, bugger it!) including beer and wine, give me a dreadful headache! Damned if I know why that’s the case -about the pie or the alcohol- but it’s very annoying!
Yes, Vivie, torture should be outlawed. Particularly two years running. (It was the same last year, though the Hawkers lost and brother-in-law nearly divorced my sister because the poor darling can’t tell what all the fuss is about and spends hardly five minutes watching the game with us.)
Oh, the fun of it all! Mrs Ato, of course is just as psychotic about footy but she shouts wildly at the achievements of another team, that of the Hawks’ nemesis, Collingwood.
However, when either team is out of contention, she and brother-in-law hold hands and stick together, and have endless discussions about each and every player in the whole of AFL and about each and every hand, foot, genital and bowel motion each of them performs or has performed since the beginning of time!
I am besieged!
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I’ve got it atomou! Courtesy of Sea Mendez. Perhaps you still have time to rush out and get a medical certificate. One thing those pies are bound to be full of is sugar.
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No point in getting a med cert, Voice. There is no escape from the jaws of tradition!
Sugar, salt, shit, strychnine, spew of underpaid workers… all the rotten esses have been assembled to effect the sickness.
My take is that the pies are made to control the population. A form of eugenics. The elite, who have the money don’t eat them but the poor who don’t, do -and die!
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On days like these I console myself with the memory of Socrates in his last hour. He was condemned to death by drinking the poison hemlock and though his devout students have organised an escape, he staid, stoically within the walls of his jail and accepted his punishment, utterly unfair though that punishment was.
But shit, I hope I don’t die!
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Ato – you may be allergic to preservatives – in the wine. Not sure about beer. But I suggest you try to buy some La Cantina wine and then go for O’Brien’s Ale (gluten free) as a possible combo which might not result in a headache. Ouzo and brandy and gin should not be a problem on the preservative issue.
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The hour is fast approaching and my stomach is dancing the dance of the hot coals in apprehension. Brutus’ devoted wife, Portia suicided by shoving hot coals in her mouth. Not entirely an unrelated factoid.
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Some people have all the luck!
A cardiologist told me I have to serious about controlling my migraines. Need to avoid precursors which for me means work stress, cakes, feasting/partying hard and excessive coffee to cope the next day.
Can’t do much about the stress. Could’t he have waited until after next week’s league grand final to tell me?
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SM: Doctors are the classic wet blankets! They just love to spoil fun. Make you forsake even the slightest bit of joy in your life. They remind me of fanatical priests, imams and rabbis! “Thou shalt not eat but the meat of a bean! Thou shalt not touch but the jaw bone of a dead ass! Thou shalt not play but with the knucklebones of goats…”
Bastards, the lot of them!
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Well on the plus side one of my precursors is bright light. Perfect excuse not to mow the lawn today. And there’s a darling ground cover with gorgeous little yellow flower emerging from the lawn. Any ideas what it is gardeners?
I’ve done some inside work and now I’m sitting inside reading The Herald with my sunnies on, lest a glance outside set me off.
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I can tell you how to treat it. Use all your forces of charm, tact and persuasion, or whatever means you normally use to enrol the co-operation of your children with your wishes. Then put a bounty on it. Get the kids to dig it up with a weeding fork, paying only for pieces with roots. If there’s too much to count individual plants, pay by the half hour.
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Cape weed – mini version. Wild strawberries maybe. An attractive weed but you shouldn’t smoke it.
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Half time at the footy. Been reading the papers and half watching. Not impressed by the play so far – bit scrappy. Still windy but sun is now out. Tandoori chicken ready for the oven.
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It was a pretty ordinary game really.
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I could have written this.
However it was a shrewd journalist, but I do love the way that – even form across the seas – she’s picked up on what I have been saying about the crying and yelling about Abooot’s ears..When you read here description of the left. You are looking into a mirror.
Latest article from Melanie Phillips of the British Daily Mail
Whatever your political affiliations are – this is an interesting read
Something truly astounding has happened. The best political candidate for a country’s future has won a general election.
Even more astonishing is the fact that this achievement was something David Cameron and his inner circle had given us to believe was as impossible as being reincarnated as an olive.
So what is this miracle? That a true conservative has won a general election on true conservative principles.
This has just occurred in Australia, where the leader of the Liberal (conservative) Party, Tony Abbott, has been elected Prime Minister by a landslide.
As head of the Liberal/National coalition, he unseated a Labour government which had been in power since 2007.
But here’s the rub: Mr Abbott stands for all the things which, in this country, the Cameroons repeatedly claimed would make the Conservative Party unelectable.
An Oxford-educated devotee of the late Lady Thatcher, Mr Abbott wants to cut taxes and is against gay marriage, thinks man-made global warming theory is bunkum, wants to reduce immigration, and intends to end increases in overseas aid.
He also displays a robust understanding of the current threats to the West, and just who are its true allies and true enemies.
His views would not only make the UK’s armchair appeasement tendency choke over its rhubarb crumble but also discomfort the current would-be saviours of Syria in the White House and No 10 Downing Street.
For unlike President Obama and Mr Cameron, the new Australian PM understands that in Syria, the alternative to the bad guys may be even worse guys.
Needless to say, on account of Mr Abbott’s views, the usual suspects (yes, they have them Down Under, too) duly wrote him off as unelectable and tried to finish him politically through scorn, insults and abuse. He was called the ‘mad monk’ (he once trained to become a Catholic priest), ‘Putin-esque’ and ‘misogynist and sexist’ (that particular smear fell from the lips of Australia’s then Labor Prime Minister, Julia Gillard).
He is none of those things. I have met him a couple of times. He is funny, clever, thoughtful and considerate. Now, after the election, he’s had the last laugh.
True, he was up against a Labour Party busily committing electoral suicide through internal divisions, broken promises and general incompetence (sound familiar?)
But unlike the British Cameroons – who bizarrely decided that, faced with the similar electoral meltdown of the Labour government under Gordon Brown, they nevertheless had to adopt Left-wing policies – Mr Abbott stuck to his conservative guns.
This meant that, unlike the poor old British electorate who were faced with a choice between Left-wing, very Left-wing, and off the graph altogether Left-wing (you can decide for yourselves which party fitted which description), the Australians were presented with a clear choice of government.
Moreover, people positively respect principle, which they associate with courage and straightforwardness.
These characteristics produce, in turn, a measure of trust and respect, even from political opponents. This all leads to success at the ballot box. Who can be surprised by any of this?
Only the Cameroons, paralysed as they are by the fashionable prejudices aired at metropolitan dinner tables and the terror of getting on the wrong side of the BBC sneerocracy.
Even worse than that, they appear to have been influenced by the loathing which the Left displays for them. Or maybe they have absorbed the views of some of their wives, as we are told happens in the Cameron household where the progressively-minded SamCam is said regularly to bend her husband’s ear.
History is littered with examples of great men who made catastrophic errors of judgment because they didn’t have thecojones to stand up to a woman with a hold over them.
Whatever the reason, the Cameroons have staked out positions which make then indistinguishable from the Left.
They are then mystified that they can’t seem to win elections. In desperation, they grab hold of a few right-wing policies – and become even more mystified when the public promptly condemns them as insincere.
Yet evidence is all around them that conservative principles actually do win elections. Stephen Harper has shown that repeatedly as Canada’s Prime Minister, as did Mr Abbott’s Australian mentor John Howard, who won four general elections in a row. And at home, this is precisely where UKIP’s appeal also lies.
Tony Abbott is a ‘conviction politician’, with a strong moral sense rooted in his religious faith.
Indeed, while his social conservatism has made him a boo-figure for the Left, more thoughtful observers realise that it is those very same conservative principles which provide him with the compassionate edge which the Cameroons have so desperately tried to adopt.
What they didn’t realise was that striking shallow poses over such fetishes as man-made global warming, gay marriage or international aid was not compassionate at all – quite the reverse, in fact.
Adopting positions which distort scientific, social or political evidence in order to support an unchallengeable belief sets one social group against another, supports the victory of the strong over the weak, and replaces truth with ideological dogma.
In other words, this pseudo-compassion (which the Left wears on its sleeve to proclaim its own virtue) is actually responsible for creating a more brutalised, selfish, and irresponsible society.
By comparison, Mr Abbott’s beliefs are sincere; he lives a compassionate life – for example, doing community work among Aboriginal Australians to improve their lot.
And while he opposes gay marriage, he has a lesbian sister who has campaigned for him – thus giving the lie to the calumny that anyone opposing gay marriage is a bigot who poses a threat to homosexuals.
Above all, however, he is patriotic. That does not mean he indulges in sentimentalised lists of Australian achievements (in the way Mr Cameron did last week with regard to Britain’s successes after a jibe from the Russians about us being a ‘small island’).
It means he always puts his country’s national interest first. You could never imagine Tony Abbott surrendering Australia’s ability to govern itself to some supra-national entity, as did British governments with the EU.
Nor claiming he would restore that sovereignty, then backing away from that undertaking, as Mr Cameron has done.
In other words, in a world made super-cynical by the supreme slipperiness of politicians, Mr Abbott is as solid as they come.
By sticking to what he believes through thick and thin, he has shown he is not motivated by the desire to win power just for power’s sake – the characteristic with which David Cameron is associated and which repels so many voters.
In addition, Mr Abbott did not buckle under the volleys of insults and brickbats hurled his way. He has thus achieved something rather more remarkable than just a general election victory.
He has faced down the intellectual thuggery and demonisation by the Left, and shown that a politician who refuses to be cowed by this apparently all-encompassing intimidation can win big.
Mr Cameron has congratulated the new Australian Prime Minister-elect, saying it would be ‘great to work with another centre-right leader’.
One does wonder whether Mr Abbott sees Mr Cameron the same way. For the British PM has done everything he can to damn the positions Mr Abbott takes as being in ‘closet racist, fruitcake’ territory.
Not surprisingly, however, some Tory MPs have got the point and are calling on Mr Cameron to adopt similar policies.
After all, look at what Mr Abbott promises to do. Axe the carbon tax. Reduce overseas aid. Limit immigration. Cut taxes. Invest in infrastructure. And he is a passionate Anglophile (another difference from many British politicians!).
In short, Britain has every reason to be envious of its Aussie friends. Can we clone Tony Abbott, please, and put him into Number 10 forthwith?
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Clone him? Shit, I’ll pay for the fare there of the real thing and his accommodation for the next three years if this fascist fool who wrote this simplistic drivel, can make sure he stays there!
She can have him all to herself!
Zeus almighty how have journalistic standards fallen to such a miserable level!
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Yes she does write well. And the truth. But it hurts, huh?
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If this is the truth then it is the truth as seen through the keyhole of Murdoch’s funny; and if this is good writing then it is good by Goebbels’ standards. It should read like an abject insult to the minutest form of intelligence, Cazo. Forget you’ve ever read this nonsense. Pick up a good book. Titus Andronicus for example. Much more value for your effort.
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Dunny, not fucking funny! I thought I’ve fixed this pay auto correct crap.
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poxy not pay! Fixed it now!
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Ato its the Daily Mail, It’s about the equivalent of reading the Sunday Truth.
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Its a pity. I can’t access the articles here on my mobile so I come to them late..
Seems a sample of 12 is sufficient to draw conclusions on a national culture. And to support the hypothesis that rich people in The Netherlands are less likely to return wallets we rely on a sample of 5 or fewer, taken in a street that I suspect would attract a cross section of society even if its in a rich area.
I would point out that a minimum scientific sample is considered to be 10. The bigger the conclusion, the more precise the conclusion, the bigger the sample you need.
People speculate about my motives. Well let me tell you. I hate it when people ‘know’ things. I hate this easy answer bullshit. I try not to know anything (an impossible task given the inherent short-comings of my apish brain), but I try.
A seven minute interview with a person trying to sell a popular literary (as opposed to a technical or statistical) work on education is enough to sweep aside my concerns with philosophical and technical concerns with PISA.
Did you know that in the 2006 PISA reading test only 10% of students sat all 28 questions? Should this shake our confidence in its use as a benchmark?
My use of ‘sweep aside’ probably isn’t fair. I suspect its more a case ‘don’t understand’ my concerns.
Always captivated by the headline. Always hunting for the easy, prejudice-confirming answer.
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I finally got around to having a look at the PISA website as I admit to knowing next to nothing about it. I don’t see that it is meant to be a benchmark. If it is being used as a benchmark then I would say that is wrong. Students are randomly picked out for assessment and apparently it is all voluntary. It is perhaps just a tool and apparently also it is not based on the curriculum (of Australia in our case).
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Saying Korea is better than France because it has better results is implicit benchmarking. Saying we want to get into top 5 is explicit.
Once you have the measurement people will use and abuse it as a benchmark. Governments or individuals who use it a substitute for sporting rivalry.
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Sounds like PISA is being manipulated for things for which it was not designed nor meant to do.
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Seems to me that all Australia has to do is arrange to select these random 15-16 years so that they put up the best – i.e. not so random! It is easily fiddled by the looks of the system.
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Vivienne you’re on to something. The high ‘China’ score is based on a handful of students in Shanghai.
I wonder if they’re in the habit of returning lost wallets.
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I’d really have to read hundreds of pages of stuff on the PISA website so I probably shouldn’t be making this assumption. I don’t think the PISA thing is of much use to anyone as far as educating kids goes.
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“Which half?”
Ha haa… This is very funny. Good reply, Helvi 🙂
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Foreign aid cuts: saving lives is a low priority – By Mike Steketee
Jim: 26 Sep 2013 2:41:33pm
“Charity begins at home. It is more important that spend out taxes on local problems like the 100,000 homeless in this country before giving $4.5 billion to foreigners.”
My reply to Jim:
“Why not? Australians spend nearly $20 billion each year on gambling and most is poured into the country’s 200,000 poker machines.”
…is not there yet!
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Now it is!
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Saw it earlier..Jonathan Green’s blog had over seven hundred replies when I last checked.
I wish all the ABC’s own people would have been more critical of Abbott and his hopeless mob before the election…
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In the news; Indonesia not impressed with Abbott’s policies, or with Ms Bishop, who seemed a bit nervous there in New York, not surprised.
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Jonathon Green has written a very good piece on the new ‘boat’ policy of not telling us anything much.
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He’s written rubbish and is obviously not on the same side as the electorate.
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You’d know all about that. Rubbish that is.
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Well, I do read your posts – so yes.
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Vivienne, I think it was yesterday or the day before, Scott Morrison was in the news on TV. They showed a ten-second segment of his speech to the journalists. I did not understand a single word. So I went back ten seconds using ‘time-shift’ function in my tv and listened again. I couldn’t believe my ears! Even the news reporter who was presenting that particular segment acknowledged that he didn’t understand what he was saying. Pure rubbish!
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hph, I think it’s better if I don’t understand what he is saying, it’s only something revolting, hard and nasty.
For the sake of my mental , I prefer NOT to understand.
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mental health
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He could speak English clearly when in constant attack mode. Now he has to think about things from a slightly different perspective and he hasn’t got it down pat yet. I just heard gibberish too.
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I suspect he thinks he’s speaking civilly. The Indonesians have used strong language, and he probably thinks its OK to just pat them on the head.
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“A daily dose of misery, Malcolm is messing with the NBN, now Brandis is in charge of the Arts…
To laugh or to cry …..”
My minor contribution on Miriam Cusick’s article on ABC the Drum/Opinion
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Effing spellcheck, I had Miriam Cusic, and it made me change it to Cusick…
In future I’ll trust my own instincts…
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There is a discussion on the Arts/Brandis being the Minister etc. on the Drum. You’d never know it by reading any of the comments.
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Arts and Brandis; surely an oxymoron. Malcolm Turnbull perhaps. At least he has art (Bill Henson) on his wall.
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Very interesting interview on The Lehrer Report.
Take a look at this!
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Thanks for this Gerard, it is interesting..
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You are welcome. Hopefully, those below deck in he bowels of the ship, will sober up and read it as well. They have marine names but I often wonder if they are just land-lubbering serfs?
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Have you read it? Because I recon I’m more likely to read it than you. Just a feeling I get. I think you’re a little lazy in that regard. You’re not really one to read reports preferring instead the sensational headlines about them. You don’t even get to paragraph 8. That’s where journalist tend hide the facts that’s contradict the headline.
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I’m pretty sure D-N-H-F stands for Den Nordiska Herrefolket. I think he changed to the abbreviation after the mods tolerance to the offensive name waned. He’s also gone by De Nordic Meester Ras.
I know him, John Bull and Southern Cross Tattoo quite well. I can assure Carisbrooke none of them is Hung One On.
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Oh your dancing around it. I know D-N-H-F well enough to know he’d never ruin a joke with an explanation. Or sacrifice his mystique with a revelation. It’d be like the Stig removing his helmet.
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The Anglo’s repression of natural sexual urges leads to the unnatural consequence of pregnancy.
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I didn’t think that sort of sex had such consequences. Or am I missing some recent anatomical discovery?
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Sorry if I caused confusion.Anglos do it the correct way once they leave boarding school. This is a well known fact.
This is when they get themselves into trouble. A high rate of teen pregnancy is the inevitable result of stifling sexual urges.
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