The Dump is:
For posting comments that don’t get up at the Drum, and for having a pleasant, mirthful or enlightening off-topic discussion.
It’s not for personal abuse of other commenters.
Please do that somewhere else if you must.
Play nicely or piss off.
However, why doesn’t a poster add a link for us to read and comment on here, much quicker. Maybe we can do a bit more bagging here, not that I speak for the moderators, yet.
NB: Being tiresome and boring, racist, sexist or just plain creepy is not playing nicely.
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The Pig’s Arms exists because a dozen or so years ago our other favourite playpen – the ABC’s Unleashed blogsphere started to go off. Like a sack of prawn heads in the sun. Something had to be done.
Moderation was taking forever. Comments seemed to be rejected randomly – outrageous ones appeared and reasoned ones were pinged. When they released the Drum / Unleashed ….. things actually got worse !
So many pieces from professional writers appear with no obvious merit. And the moderation has become, to put it frankly, appalling.
As a former contributor and a commenter, I was deeply disappointed at the plummeting quality from our pre-eminent media empire. And I resented so many challenging or dare I say, witty or funny posts in which we’ve invested seconds of our precious time – getting the chop.
So here, for all our benefit – is an open slather blog. Copy and paste your best rejected comments here for posterity. Does not matter whether you’re posting on the Guardian, First Dog on the Moon or wherever else.
And sprinkle pointers to the Pig’s Arms amongst your comments. Let’s try to rescue some of the old faithful.
Cheers,
Emm.
Window Dresser's Arms, Pig & Whistle 
Rejected through time constraints on News comment Budget 10: “Abbott sets up election fought on mining tax.”
The government is hoisted with its own petard in a way. Glenn Stevens, the Labor marionette has consistently told us that we have to have high interest rates, because we are so fabulously wealthy, despite the income only affecting a small section of ordinary Australians.
The principal recipients of this wealth are the top heavy numbers of civil servants who’s wages come from the taxes– and whose numbers grow by the month. (Another $20m just announced for refurbishing the suspended ETS offices in Canberra.)
Now their saying we are not wealthy enough and we need to whack 40% taxes on certain industries.
Us poor bottom feeders, who have proper jobs would like to see lower interest rates–to pay down debt–and a reattainment of the mineral giants, with an increase in their taxes/rent/social philanthropy, negotiated by someone with brains and business acumen…. Say Malcolm Turnbull.
Abbott is only partially correct. Not only do we need to cull the cicil servants. We need to get rid of The State Governments; their quangos and duplicated departments.
We could spend the money on the police force, schools and hospitals.
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Reply to your last sentence:
Spend big on education. Education helps us to live better, eat healthier and be more active, not so many hospital beds would be needed.
Education enables us to get better jobs, earn more money and to be happier, so no more crime, no more stealing; we would live more morally , so less money needed for policying!
Helvi’s law to good living, simple?
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Well, Jules, not even Abbott can get it totally wrong. Cutting the bureaucracy is an excellent idea.
In a two person small business, every day I get the unstated message – “add value or fuck off”. This will be the message to state and federal governments.
I also think not cutting front line service staff is good.
While we prepare to sack the NSW government, how about sacking the board of Telstra – that could save a quid too.
But I think the miners are bullshit artists about the new tax. They’ll be printing it for decades yet and I want my small business tax cut – don’t you want yours ?
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I can live with paying tax.
My point is that I am not against squeezing the miners. But Rudd seems inept at negotiating anything. I am terrified at the prospect of another stuff up.
I would rather have a businessmen negotiating what is essentially a business deal. No offence, but it is not a Labor trait.
Fancy standing on the stage an announcing the words “NEW MINING TAX”, without any discussions with the victims. It was grandstanding worthy of amateur ‘ham’ acting.
The way to do it is to set up some talks after flagging some need to get more of the pie.
A long series of discussions with a team of well informed negotiators, offering carrot and stick approaches, would be my pick. Some well placed lobbying and some number crunching would be preferable. It is our cash cow to milk, but it needs p[eople with the opposite of the skills that have been demonstrated recently. I’m sure that I don’t need to table the lidst of catastrophes.
In other words they need someone like ME!!
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Well, some good points, Jules, but I’m not sure that many would suggest that Rudd is actually a Labor man.
I agree that the way the dialogue with the (sorry, I hesitate to call mining companies) ‘victims’ has been appalling. But then so much operational stuff has been too.
I dunno, I think the GFM has given Rudd et al the signal that expedience is all these days.
As for employing you, Jules, we have a position for a gardener and a chef. Would that do ? 🙂
Let me know if there’s any hitch getting a reference…..
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You’ve got my vote.
Rudd is a bureaucrat. His complete business incompetence was shown by his failure to grasp even the most elementary concept that flooding an industry with government money would lead to a feeding frenzy of rip-off merchants. He goes for heroic announcements, not heroic results.
Abbott is a cardboard cutout student politician who sees politics as a game where he is playing on the big money side.
Malcolm Turnbull is an egomaniac who could be good if his need to feed his ego coincided with the needs of Australia in general. Mining negotiations would seem to be a place where that could be the case.
They al scare the hell out of me.
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“When top level guys look down, they only see shit.
When bottom level guys look up, they only see arseholes.”
Never so true as in the civil service!
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And where they meet in the middle …. has a ring of truth about it.
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RE: position for a chef.
Why? Where’s granny? Off in the crusades, trying to make a citizen’s arrest of Dick Cheney and John Wayne?
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You leave granny alone! She’s worked hard and has a great sense of humour. Too bad about the idiotic conspiracy theories, but none of us with the possible exception of myself (nya nya to HOO) are perfect.
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Living in Paris was a real eye opener about ‘civil servants’. Most of us outside of Canberra have no idea about where the cushy jobs are. We keep hearing abut the OECD, but has anyone thought about working for them? Headquarters in Paris. Met a number of people thru the ex-pat network. If you can get into that you’ve got it made in the shade. Paris accomodation not only paid for you but found for you. Tax free income and all the perks. Some smart and motivated people, but Wow!
Struck by the number of experts helping poor people in developing countries. Fly out there and stay in hotels, and probably do genuinely good work, but they and their families are located in Paris, living in middle-class luxury (as opposed to oil sheik luxury), and salting away huge amounts of money, not to mention their superannuation.
Also struck by the number of the Australian ones who grew up in Canberra.
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Depressing story if one ain’t, Voice. It requires a certain kind of ethical flexibility – costing zillions of tax dollars and cushing it up …. to deliver hundreds of dollars of aid to countries already impoverished by colonial powers – and demonstrating what net gain for the poor.
But, Paris is Paris and moral flexibility is nothing new there !
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Or anywhere else. We’re mostly all just trying to make a decent living without actually directly cheating anyone. Some of us are just more honest about it to ourselves, and others of us stretch the definition of not actually cheating people beyond the boundary that most observers find reasonable.
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Just look at the huge numbers of people trying to get their share of the And Climate Change money.
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Too busy with packing and related issues to write anything anywhere. I couldn’t help myself and sent some critical posts about MY ABC publishing all this tweeting, twittering, biebering, razoring, devenying stuff, none of has been published.
I can be directly nasty about Deveny , but I have to leave ABC on it’s pedestral!
I worked it out!
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Having just had a series of perfectly inoffensive comments about my gerbera sink into the ether without trace, I wonder whether relevance could be a factor in what gets published. Just a whacky guess.
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One of my witty comments, which they spruiked on their front soapbox has disappeared together with the post that I commented on.
Someone, who has been axed, said that a passport was found in the ruble. And I said that it must have been a Russian passport. Boom boom.
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Yeah, I was wondering about that. And what was with your Emmjay song invitation comment ? Where, how ?
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Oh hi Emm,
Sorry, still incredibly busy so just havn’t had the time to write anything meaningful.
Unleashed is easier because it’s semi-anon, and one can write any twaddle.
It was in the conspiracy blog. A song for “Truffers” (lament actually)).
In firefox you can click on edit; then Jayell in find; and you will find it down the page.
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Whereas the comments here are considered masterpieces anyone would be proud to put their name to.
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Well i’s not that of course.
It’s just that we know each other–so there feels a sort of uspoken obligation to support the stoies…And rightly so I may say…..And just at the moment I have been busy..7–6 then too tired to write.
And since I have taken a break, I have realised how much time that I was consuming.
I had a project which has nearly come to fruition–so I needed to concentrate.
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Just my brain sparking. I’ll leave you to get on with enjoying the fruits of your labours.
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Classic, Jules. Too good for Unleashed.
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It was the conspiracy blog that I couldn’t find. Unleashed is so like that these days – shit everywhere….. Does it have title or an author ?
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It’s mndbogglingly stupid. They expect you to rememer the author or date.
Voice may know of an easier tracking system..
Any way it’s on 3rd May.765 comments
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I was going to butt out. But since you invited me. First port of call is always Google.
ABC Unleashed conspiracy
They have a classification system but it’s pretty arbitrary. Not their fault really, classification is a useful but intrinsically flawed process.
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With the ease of searching Google I find it absolutely amazing how much factually incorrect stuff gets put up on Unleashed, particularly in the comments. Even more amazing that people respond as if they believe it.
Stephen Colbert’s words about truthiness are 100% on the mark.
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They put a selection of blogs on the front page, but when they move them you need to remember the date…
I can’t even remember which town I live in!!
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Just put spell check on Firefox Toshiba satellite. It has windows 7 now. As I said somewhere else, my son installed it before he took off for the UK..
They sent some photos yesterday; walking in a wood full of bluebells. Very pretty.
I think that I will go back to the Asus, even though it has vista, which is freezing all the time.
I haven’t put my email systems in this Toshiba. I’ve just been too busy.
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With the ease of searching Google I find it absolutely amazing how much factually incorrect stuff gets put up on Unleashed, particularly in the comments. Even more amazing that people respond as if they believe it.
You must mean me.
How dare you!
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I dare all Julian. 🙄
I didn’t mean you of course.
Did you use the PROPER English dictionary for your Firefox spell checker?
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3099
OK. Why would you go back from a new Windows 7 box to an older box running a rubbish operating system that crashes all the time? Is it for the email? If so, tell me what you use and I’ll tell you how to bring it across.
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Yes, I have installed the English, English version.
I can do the email, but haven’t had the time (inclination).
I have outlook on the Asus and used to use windows live on toshiba with XP.
I have been lazy using the Asus, and it is awkward when there is only one computer being used.
I am doing this while I am supervising 4 cubic meters of cracker-dust installed/laid.
I’ve hired a compacter, which is fun. It is petrol driven and seems to have a mind of its own.
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First guess: A BBQ pit for the inaugural Pigs Arms picnic.
Second guess: Water tank.
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Actually, it’s disguising some broken concrete, down by the revetment wall. There must have been a boat ramp below it, which has long gone, and there was a sloping slab that was split.
Lipstick and brown paper hides a multitude of sin s.
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I think that Jayell has got logorreah, on the front page!!
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logorreah, courtesy of Tom Storm.
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Emmjay, you’ve been invited to write a song on the conspiracy blog!
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Looked it up. An interesting word, mainly because of its serendipitous extensibility to blogorreah, a condition that seems common on Unleashed.
Hence my unpublished gerbera comments. A reaction to the umpteenth NAPLAN, Republic, Climate Change, etc. articles and their associated comments.
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To Jo-Anne on the Rudd Government ….
So disappointed, Jo-Anne. So much promise, so little delivery. Whitlam II. No, less than that.
Last time I think Australia voted not so much for Rudd, but “Anything but Howard”. But we got “Quite a lot like Howard” with more cheesy smiles and less dottering.
As a lifetime Labor voter, I cannot believe how many things the Rudd government has screwed up.
Even now, taxing the fat cat miners hits nearly all superannuation funds – so it’s a back door kind of tax for workers forced to contribute super – and soon forced to contribute more.
But to contemplate an alternative in a rabble led by Tony Abbott, is just unthinkable.
Best we can hope for, I guess is a slim Labor majority, a rethink of policy taking advice from those who really do know and with luck, we might hope for fewer geese on the cross benches.
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On Kevin’s festival of dot points NAPLAN piece…
Rocky Di Sastra said :
Kevin, not a strong article, but with some valid points never-the-less.
I too have changed my mind about the value of NAPLAN testing and that bloody schools’ web site that’s causing a lot of grief.
I believe in general that what cannot be measured cannot be managed well, however the educational performance of kids is not easily measured and the statistics as well as the tests are immensely open to fiddling – by methods some of which you’ve outlined above.
At the heart of the matter, in my view is the fact that school is only a part of a child’s eduction. We depend on a school being a good environment fostering learning and we all know good and not so good teachers.
But a great school and great teachers can still result in an average ability child having a poor NAPLAN test result.
Our little bloke is one such child. He is reasonably intelligent but he performs poorly in tests since he has no sense of time and when he becomes bored, he just stops.
Moreover, we have visited friends who asked how come it was our other child was doing so well at school and their son was struggling. When I visited them I noticed that there was not one book in the house. No newspapers.
The parents were not readers. How then could they support the teachers and their own children ?
By lying back and watching TV and playing video games ? I don’t think so.
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Just can’t see this one getting there,
Gushy gushy goo goo, this is so good Ben, smoochy smoochy gush gush, just so good, wow, gushy goo goo
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Me neither, Hung – but a nice sledge though !
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Father O’Way :
07 May 2010 2:56:37pm
Fair enough Suzanne however do not mistake my views for boredom. I am currently helping a PhD student who is examining baked beans on toast, the outcome should be entralling.
I can never remember my own phone number however if asked by someone I make a number up.
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Big M :
09 May 2010 1:46:26am
Thanks bean to Gordon, bless his wholegrain name.
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Work this out. How does one follow UL? Plus Big M made the main page not only once but twice. Well done.
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Have you shown him the fart scene from Blazing Saddles, Father.
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Being studied in depth. How are you going over at UL? I having a hit and miss sort of time and can’t really tell which one will stick.
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Been a bit quite lately. Put some up over the weekend though noe have got up today. Trialling some new names Clyde Parmser has got a couple through. I see my favourite tory sycophant Elijah is back spruiking the Tory spin of the day, verbatum.
I’m still suprised what gets through and what doesn’t.
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I’m surprised that this one saw the daylight.
On Leigh Sales’ story today, Jonathan Green commented: All right ladies and gentlemen, parlour game…how about some suggestions for an 11th commandment.
I replied under Moses: 11. There shall be articles by the original Unleashed commentators 🙂
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Bless you, H !
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Just read the article H, very good
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Blog: Judith someone on eddy cation don’t make ya happy
perla :
05 May 2010 9:30:19am
I am a migrant who came to Australia with the university degree. I was happy back then… but when the Australians started to make problems with regards to my degree – I became very unhappy. I had to study again. I got the job, but was constantly discriminated by English Australians. I became very depressed and lost the job. It is 2 years now that I am unemployed. And I hear similar stories from other migrants all the time. I am getting slowly better – I am ready to leave this country and be happy again. It will be good for my children too.
Cetainly the education doesn’t pay in Australia.
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That’s a shame perla, close the door on your way out, thanks.
Can’t see it happening, can you?
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To all Piglets, I am not Boo Hoo who is infecting UL at the moment with his/her right wing garbage
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Thanks for that, HOO; we were all dying to know if you were the UL Boo…
The Guru, Jay of Emm, is getting lots of replies on the Happiness blog! Any minute now HR will be popping up…
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Thanks Helvi, I knew you would worry that I had shifted to the other side. Still waiting for HR?
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Hey – I made front page this afternoon with a comment on Big M’s comment. First one for Stuffed Olive.
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Hooray !
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Viv, you wrote :’You have excellent taste then, Big M!’
When I agreed with BM about Sidney Nolan being a good artist, I got a reply from Phil Mayne: ‘You are easily pleased, Helvi.’ 🙂
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Last we week did a test on trying to get comments up at Unleashed. A certain un-named person successfully posted one of my comments under a different pseud – from a different IP address – which suggests that the prevailing sour puss moderation is filtering me not just on names, but on IP address.
Nice that two “Hs” spotted it and replied !
So today (thanks to Julian’s reference to a Telegraph blog), I tried some subtle Pig’s advertising there. Might work. Nice to try – other news-based comment blogs to see if we can reach a wider audience with less crap moderation.
Also – Chris Uhlmann last week wrote a piece for “the Drum” on Rudd and Menzies – wow – only 5 months after we published one at the Pig’s – and I noticed that they’re starting to steal and republish old Crikey articles too.
Shitty, eh ?
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Yes, you are right; Kristina’s hair is soo yesterday’s and Pig Iron Bob was done at Pigs ages ago, Ms Razer has a top story tho with that Bieber Boy !!! 🙂
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Ben’s weekly wrap is crap
Thank Gordon you are here Ben, without you no one would know what shit really was, geez, thanks mate
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Flowerpot Men:
Easy as ABC Bob and Ben………….Every Friday, ad nauseam!
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Well that didn’t get up, but this one did:
Arthur Daly :
30 Apr 2010 9:18:56pm
Don’t you be so sure My Sunshine!
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I liked the Bob and Ben one.
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It’s actually Bill and Ben
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Not when there’s no Bill Ellis.
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Wow, made the main page at Unleashed, eyes famous now
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You have been twice on the soapbox today, twice the famous!
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Today on Warren Mundine’s article, replying to Pythagoras’ comment about the Unleashed editor:
Resting on your ancient Greek laurels Pythagoras? I challenge you to provide a single of piece of evidence to support your latest theorem … of the existence of an Unleashed editor.
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Is Pythagoras ato ? They used to have editors who did editing, as Gez can tell, but not anymore…
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Same UL article, can’t see it getting past the moderator,
Look I think before you all go down the path of the Greens you really need to look at Mrs Brown, what is her occupation and her fashion sense. The media will be hungry for this information once Bob gets into power. The other issue is Bobs religion. I mean will he pray that his wife will concieve a baby or not just like Abbott. Can anyone help me with information on Mrs Brown?
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Sorry guys, couldn’t help myself over this little gem
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stories/s2885729.htm
rusty :
29 Apr 2010 2:55:45pm
Wasen’t that long ago I listened to the leader of the greens Mr Bob Brown say “Go Tony “.
Hung One On’s reply that will never get up
No, I think you’re thinking of that sex scene in Brokeback Mountain
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Vintage Hung killer unpublishable response.
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Can’t help myself sometimes Boss
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“Firass Dirani was virtually unknown until he started playing one of the country’s most high profile nightclub owners on Underbelly, but now the dynamic actor has been crowned the 2010 Cleo Bachelor of the Year.” …. ABC News Bulletin.
Penetrating Helen Razer piece anticipated on Unleashed.
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Methinks Helen lacks penetration and there lies the problem
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One of the most admirable Hung qualities is unfettered naughtiness. Sweet, Bro.
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Emmjay, do you read her stuff? Iused to but it didn’t seem to make any sense so I don’t bother now. A poster on UL told me it was because I was a male and that females understand and enjoy her writings. I would have thought that that would eliminate half your potential audience.
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My very first comment on Unleashed YONKS ago was to complain at the surprisingly poor standard of writing – then unexpected on the ABC.
I don’t bother any more reading her since I know what the piece will be about and that the level of thought reflected in the words does not bear consideration.
Voice once accused me of mounting a one man vendetta – which I guess was a possible interpretation of my vitriol. Moreover I was pissed off about not getting stuff up while HR’s shit could find a place any old time.
In some ways, I owe HR a debt of gratitude – for pushing me into the blogsphere .
But we owe her nothing – including the time of day for her articles.
Prediction: the next (and really all the future articles) will be based on some other third rate news extracted from some girlie fan magazine upon which HR will heap scorn and disdain – using third rate writing.
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Emmjay, how did you know that she was going to write about Baby Bieber ?
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Uncanny, eh, H ?
I reckon I’m on the verge of writing an article on “How to write like the great writers …. Today – Helen Razer”
I’m suggesting the use of a template – that is, all the pieces have the same structure and thought pattern, all you have to do is pick nouns from four or five lists, and bingo – auto Unleashed piece !
Stay tuned.
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Email exchange with a Piglet:
Yes, health OK, but son and grandson relocating to UK on Saturday. So we are all a bit sombre.
He applied for , and got, a job at Greenwich University to start 19th of May.
I am glad for that , even though I was critical prior, when he resigned from Bond.
I’ll elaborate another time.
Snowed under with a project—and since I am secretary to myself—have been too busy to write.
Regards Julian.
From: Mike Jones
Sent: Wednesday, 28 April 2010 2:49 PM
To: ‘Jules7’
Subject: Pig’s Arms Comments
Hi Jules.
Listen, we’re poised to hit 10,000 comments (three to go as I write this).
As a major supporter, I thought you might like the honour of breaking the tape.
Hope this finds you well.
Kind regards,
Mike
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I WILL BE BACK!!
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Jules, Piglets are sorry to hear you losing your son and grandson to UK, but we are happy that you are staying !
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Thanks Helvi.
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Ah ha! Found the comment.
First, the important stuff. About ready to pick the first cherry tomato. Not bad for no work, although I couldn’t resist watering them a couple of time with some old Thrive I had lying about the place.
My third gerbera is thriving, although I may have to wait till next season to find out what colour the flowers are.
The business of having friends in other countries isn’t nearly as glamorous as it sounds, when you actually want to see them, and it’s considerably less glamorous when it’s your grandson I bet.
Depending on your son’s subject area, University jobs can move pretty easily between countries so nothing is permanent. Not that it is anyway.
A la prochaine.
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Voice, when I first got my vegie patch, I planted all kinds of tomatoes, Grosse Lisse, Roma…never remember planting any cherry toms, afterwards my vegie garden was full of cherry tomatoes, only ones thriving with no care.
We are still eating them, oven-dried, stored in oil.
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Yes I never planted a single cherry tomato either. Must have grown from the compost when I threw out a few that had been left forgotten in the refrigerator. I won’t get enough that I need to preserve them though; I pull most of the seedlings up to leave space for my native grass.
A few herbs are all I’m up for at the moment. Low maintenance, high reward. About to plant coriander seeds for winter. At this stage I might cheat and buy a few seedlings as well.
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Voice, coriander grows even here in winter,I put some seeds in a pot, all up and growing…summertime it goes to seed too quickly…
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Donc le Jardin commented on Ben Pobjie again today ….
Ben, ball-tearer of an article.
Pity about the poor quality of the events on which you are obliged to report.
Still, the skill of a master debater always come through, doesn’t it !
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Commenting on Tim Dunlop’s sly bucketing of Tony Abbott,
Michael William Jones III said:
Without a doubt the best Unleashed piece of the so-called modern era. Massively good.
Manne cacked himself and we had to get Hung to do resuscitation.
Irony and sarcasm trumped the temptation to go for the cheap shot. Superb – particularly labelling Gerard Henderson as “startling”. Priceless.
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I put 3 or 4 comments up yesterday and only one has appeared. I’m finding it rather depressing.
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Yeah, only one of mine got up, pretty disappointing, maybe it’s because I referred to Tony as Big Ears, I mean, is that thin skinned or what?
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Big Ears is fine by me. But they still, daily, allow Krudd. Again,
I put 3 comments up this morning and only one has appeared.
They were all one liners and pertinent and not rude.
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Yes Viv, very hard to follow
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Viv, mine are not rude either, but they don’t always appear. Still it has been better since I complained on UL and I was suprised they put those ones up…
They should have a weekly chance for us to suggest or to complain, or to praise when praise is due !
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I thought that Dunlop’s post was very good too, couldn’t stop laughing, Henderson startling…!
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I tried to get a bland one up on Gez’ blog under the name of “Darren Smith”. Nope, nothing ! Tough call – but Brkon managed a hit !
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And Edsel Lomax said today …
Gerard,
I think banning anything is going about it the wrong way.
If we had good education and the facts to hand, surely common sense would prevail and no sane, well-informed person would touch Coke.
Isn’t it ?
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I wrote something there as well. A bit about banning Melbourne Rugbees clubs. I think it has closed, even so 360 is , thanks to the untiring efforts of the Pig’s Arms and cohorts in the back of the Zephyr Ute, an amazing result. I shout you all a good time for a short time at the House of Pain. ( Extra pain no charge.)
Thank you all.
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On Ben Pobjie’s latest weekly wrap – which I think was a little more amusing if not equally predictable as all the others,
Armin Fineform wrote…..
Ben, today I chanced my hand and purchased a copy of “The Australian Rationalist”.
Lo (perhaps I meant to say “low”) and behold, there you was on the back page – hoeing out the same old row !
Boy, you’ve got more exposure than a bum on a nudist beach.
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Emmjay, I think I got a larf from that one as well which is pretty rare for me.
“more exposure than a bum on a nudist beach” love that one, can I use it?
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Sure, make it your own, Hung, my man.
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