The Dump is:
For posting comments that don’t get up at the Drum, and for having a pleasant, mirthful or enlightening off-topic discussion.
It’s not for personal abuse of other commenters.
Please do that somewhere else if you must.
Play nicely or piss off.
However, why doesn’t a poster add a link for us to read and comment on here, much quicker. Maybe we can do a bit more bagging here, not that I speak for the moderators, yet.
NB: Being tiresome and boring, racist, sexist or just plain creepy is not playing nicely.
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The Pig’s Arms exists because a dozen or so years ago our other favourite playpen – the ABC’s Unleashed blogsphere started to go off. Like a sack of prawn heads in the sun. Something had to be done.
Moderation was taking forever. Comments seemed to be rejected randomly – outrageous ones appeared and reasoned ones were pinged. When they released the Drum / Unleashed ….. things actually got worse !
So many pieces from professional writers appear with no obvious merit. And the moderation has become, to put it frankly, appalling.
As a former contributor and a commenter, I was deeply disappointed at the plummeting quality from our pre-eminent media empire. And I resented so many challenging or dare I say, witty or funny posts in which we’ve invested seconds of our precious time – getting the chop.
So here, for all our benefit – is an open slather blog. Copy and paste your best rejected comments here for posterity. Does not matter whether you’re posting on the Guardian, First Dog on the Moon or wherever else.
And sprinkle pointers to the Pig’s Arms amongst your comments. Let’s try to rescue some of the old faithful.
Cheers,
Emm.
Window Dresser's Arms, Pig & Whistle 
The GOP shutdown: a party divided against itself ,By Adam Lockyer
Steve_C: 18 Oct 2013 6:12:51pm
The Tea Party-ers are just upset that Gen. Patton didn’t get the opportunity to “go all the way” at the end of WWII!!!
That pansy Eisenhower stopped him at the Rhine, just to appease the Commie bastards!!
This is their chance to show that they got what it takes to wear his pearl handled shootin’ irons!!
They won’t let the wimps of their own party give in to a Commie who also happens to be a darkie and an Al Quida plant, like Ike gave in to the Ruskies!!
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I wanted to add this to Steve’s dark humour but I was too late:-
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General Jack D. Ripper: “Mandrake, do you recall what Clemenceau once said about war?”
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: “No, I don’t think I do, sir, no.”
General Jack D. Ripper: “He said war was too important to be left to the generals. When he said that, 50 years ago, he might have been right. But today, war is too important to be left to politicians. They have neither the time, the training, nor the inclination for strategic thought. I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.”
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But what do you make of the idea the GOP is divided against itself? Could there be different factions with different agendas? For example those labelled Tea Party who are obsessed about taxation, debt and small government? Perhaps they’re displacing a faction labelled ‘Neo-Conservatives’ who see the US has a moral obligation to export liberal democracy to the world. Perhaps they were enraged by and displaced in their turn conservative realists who didn’t see the US had moral obligation to export liberal democracy but were still interventionist in order to maintain something called ‘stability’.
Again I think Steve_C is a little confused. His placing anti-communist argument and geo-politics in the mouths of Tea-Partiers that they have not uttered. Their beef is with their fellow Americans. Democrats and (what they call) big-government republicans.
I’ve had the good fortune of spending a week on the remote south and west of the Island of Hawaii. I’ve had the misfortune of having two radio stations to choose from there. Hawaiian reggae on one, libertarian, tea-party, shock-jocks on another. Let me assure you they’ve got big problems with Bush and his big spending ways. They’re anti-intervention (at least they advocate punitive raids over nation building), they’re anti drug prohibition, they’re anti seat-belt laws.
Again I draw your attention to the premise of the article you’re talking about. The republican party is riven by factions. Do you agree or do you not?
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Honestly, Sea, I couldn’t care less if the Grand Old Party is riven by factions and has internal problems. Do you think I should be worried about it? Do you think they are going to morph into something more horrible? What and who else can be more horrible to replace those psychopaths in the GOP?
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Oh by the way, I forgot to include…
Tea Party is full of crazies who are very similar to Sarah Palin. At least Kissinger and Cheney are rationalists and they know when to push the ‘red’ button. Those cuckoos in the tea party will push the button if they think they are having such a bad hair day.
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God damn I hate it when people get their categories wrong! Tea Party article at The Drum.
Tea Party did not support the Iraq War. They weren’t even established then. They are vocal opponents of intervention and are isolationist. They are rowdy critics of Bush and Iraq.
If there’s one thing I hate more than arbitrary labels its people getting their arbitrary labels mixed up.
Tea Party is not neo-liberal or neo-con.
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Old Turd, perchance?
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The Tea Party is not a political party. It is a political movement. It was created in 2004. Its members are Libertarians, Conservatives, Republicans, Democrats and Independents.
After September 11 attack, they ALL supported Bush’s war on Afghanistan and Iraq.
When things started to go wrong for the US, only a few of them changed their minds and voiced their opinion against the war FULLSTOP
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We can not stand against big government here and support it abroad. We can not talk about fiscal responsibility and spend trillions occupying and bullying the rest of the world.
Ron Paul
Michelle Bachman voted for a resolution to withdraw from Libya.
Your 2004 time line is quite controversial (to say the least) but still after Sept 2001 and the Iraq invasion.
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They are just mad – Mad Hatters I guess at the Tea Party. Mad Haters too. Remind me of the Libs, a lot.
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Ditto.
Vivienne, google ‘The tea party crazy ideas and quotes’ and see how cuckoo they all are.
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Just noticed the Two Tribes article. You know who’ll like this, I thought.
CTRL – F – ‘VoR’… Bingo!
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I prefer Eureka to Bingo. Or perhaps Hallelujah. But you have the right idea. 🙂
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And now another slimebag MP is shown to have stolen money from the public purse:
From Port Stephens Examiner
By MICHAEL McGOWAN Oct. 15, 2013, 6:18 p.m.
PATERSON MP Bob Baldwin claimed more than $22,000 in parliamentary expenses so his spouse could accompany him on domestic and international trips made while he was an Opposition spokesman from 2009-12.
Read on…
http://www.portstephensexaminer.com.au/story/1843030/baldwins-travel-bill-claims-hit-22000/
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Another snouter. What is a collective term for these people.
A trough of porkers.
A Liberal of Rorters
A snout of Liberals.
An abuse of Liberals.
Any suggestions?
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Mine are unprintable.
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A very juicy rumour -though a rumour and no more at this stage- is doing the FB rounds. Abbott’s marriage is on the pebbles and the new recipient of his amours is a certain… yes, you guessed it, how bloody clever you are!, Peta Credlin!
Rumour only!
Apparently it was on Ellis’ blog (posted by him?) for a wee while before it was taken down. http://www.ellistabletalk.com/2013/08/27/a-minor-matter/
But, far be it for moi to be a monger of mere rumours! Never! Jamais! Mai! Nunca! Inoiz ez! Ποτέ!
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Where did my tit go?
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Testing, testing… titty where are you?
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Ah! There you are! Naughty titty!
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Was Bob being a naughty boy?
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But Peta Credlin is married to Brian Loughnane.
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Is it the done thing to turn on the notifications? I don’t. Sorry if thats rude. I kind of drift in and out. Actually Ive never once checked sea mendez’ email account so I wouldn’t know anyway. Is that done? You guys do seem to carry on correspondence off-forum.
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I don’t ever turn it on – Carisbrooke/Jules used to admonish me for not having it on ! That’s why I made that reference.
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Love the way the moderators stuck it up Hoo, in Jericho’s blog.
Bwilliant!
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You have such a poor version of “stuck it up Hoo” just goes to show what a true phoney you are Juliana. Why don’t you now prove your point to all of us here at the Pigsarms?
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So here is the thread for those of us that are interested,
atomou:
16 Oct 2013 9:54:28am
Please point to how many boats he has turned back.
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Waterloo Sunset .2014:
16 Oct 2013 10:20:25am
Hi atomou, The task was to stop peolpe drowning. The way it was to be achieved was to implement, or to yell that we are going to implement, boat rejection.
On the conservative side we don’t belies in Kamps, like Kevin’s, or drownings – so rejecting the boats is a tactic, to reduce deaths at sea; a deterrent.
The Labor and Greens, believed that encouraging them and stuffing them into hell holes was a deterrent, however it didn’t work. Smugglers and their associates, tell the travellers that if they part with $20,000 they will eventually get accepted. The travellers believe them.
With boat rejection, they know that it’s hopeless. So the result is – hopefully; no attempts and no deaths by drowning.
They can choose to stay in that idyllic part of the world, or return home.
A simpler way to look at Abooot’s mantra, is a simple translation: “Stop The Drownings”!
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tonywasaboatchild:
16 Oct 2013 11:30:22am
the na?ve would believe that stopping the boats is about stopping people drowning but in reality we know that’s political expediency. abbott and moronison don’t care about the drownings its a tool to use for their policy of we are tough and can stop the boats. just as abbott had to kowtow and say a very very big sorry to Malaysia for abusing them pre election he will one day have to say sorry to using the refugees plight as a political advantage.
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dw:
16 Oct 2013 11:59:21am
That is some wonderful spin.
It has nothing to do with drownings.
You will remember that not once were drownings an issue under the Howard government (which the LNP policy is claiming to repeat).
It was about ‘queue jumpers’, and ‘illegals’, and ‘we will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come’.
In opposition, the Coalition was praying for more boats to arrive, and for more drownings because it suited their political agenda. In these circumstances the message was never, “stop the drownings” it was “Stop the boats”.
The only true way to ‘stop the boats’ is to improve the political, human rights and economic situation in the refugee’s countries of origin. Perhaps our new position of leadership on the UN security council could be used to such effect.
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Waterloo Sunset. 2014:
16 Oct 2013 6:58:11pm
Actually, this is what he said: Mr Abbott said the sinking of the boat and the stand-off between authorities and 78 asylum-seekers on an Australian Customs vessel in Indonesian waters showed the Federal Government’s border protection regime had failed.
“You look at this terrible tragedy that’s unfolding in the Indian Ocean at the moment and you’ve got to say this is a comprehensive failure and it’s all the Prime Minister’s fault,” Mr Abbott told Fairfax Radio.
Mr Rudd maintained his border protection policy was tough but humane.
But Mr Abbott said the dismantling of the Howard government’s border protection policies had prompted the surge in people-smuggling activity.
“What’s so moral about policies which encourage people to take to the sea in leaky boats and give us the kind of tragedy that seems to be unfolding now in the Indian Ocean?”
Maybe you were away on holidays. Or, maybe you don’t pay attention.
What you should do though is repeat the truth; that would be fair, dw.
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Hung One On:
16 Oct 2013 12:00:05pm
Look Loo Water you and your kind couldn’t give a toss about drownings. That is just a LNP cover for blatant racism.
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Waterloo Sunset. 2014:
16 Oct 2013 9:00:49pm
I think that the moderator, should either remove your comment, or allow me to call it for what it is a blatant, trolling, unsubstantiated lie.
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Miowarra:
16 Oct 2013 12:17:16pm
No, Waterloo, the chant was “Stop the boats!” not “Stop the drownings!”
The chant was “Every boat is a policy failure”
Mr Abbott took “Stop the boats” to the election as a policy.
He hasn’t done it, not by himself nor yet in co-operation with anybody else.
Has he failed or was he just lying to win the election?
Choose one.
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Waterloo Sunset .2014:
16 Oct 2013 12:36:56pm
Well, he didn’t put a time limit on it, did he?
6 months seems reasonable to me.
I have to contradict you; ‘stop the boats’, meant ‘stop the drownings’. If you were alert, you would have noticed that it was mentioned hundreds of times.
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Benn:
16 Oct 2013 6:24:50pm
I believe Day One was mentioned…
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burke:
16 Oct 2013 2:44:21pm
You really thought they would come to a screaming halt on day one. You must think Abbott is Superman!
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Nick:
16 Oct 2013 4:40:04pm
He hasn’t failed because the boats are stopping.
Down to just one last week.
And he did win the election.
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lvc:
16 Oct 2013 2:13:36pm
“The Labor and Greens, believed that encouraging them and stuffing them into hell holes was a deterrent”
It’s hard to tell whether Labor or Greens would be more put out by your lumping them together like that. The Greens reject all offshore processing arrangements out of hand – and while that position might earn its own set of criticisms, it is certainly worlds apart from Labor’s policies.
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Give us a break:
16 Oct 2013 2:35:36pm
You carefully evade the question.
How many boats have been turned back?
I’ll give you a hint.
None.
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John:
17 Oct 2013 7:00:20am
I’ll give you a better hint.
How many boats have been turned back? Two that we know of, and possibly more. And reports on the ground in Indonesia are saying that it appears that potential people smuggler boats have failed to depart because people are becoming reluctant to pay the smugglers if they think that they are to be returned.
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seg:
16 Oct 2013 4:16:21pm
A more accurate way might be, “Stop The Reported Drownings”
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Harry:
16 Oct 2013 11:27:14am
So there are obvious signs the boats are being significantly reduced by a broad range of measures and you want to fixate on one small part of the solution. How narrow minded and pathetic. You really need to get past your blinkered partisanship.
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EVAN:
16 Oct 2013 11:53:11am
It is not how many have been turned back but how many never left in the first place.You do not do under cover work by telling the crims what you are doing.
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rusty cairns:
16 Oct 2013 5:34:36pm
shouldn’t the real objective be to stop the need to seek asylum.
can you tell me how many that have been turned around have found the asylum they want?
How many sent to Nauru or Manus have been given asylum and where?
Where have those that never left, go too?
If you want the crimes to stop wouldn’t you show how the measures your taking meant they wouldn’t succeed.
Put a marked police car on the side of the road and watch how many drivers slow down. Hide the same police car and watch nobody slow down.
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Tristan:
16 Oct 2013 6:39:38pm
Yet Abbott and Scott Morrison in opposition were more than happy to provide a daily running commentary every time a boat arrived, always available for comments and interviews, and demanding answers and information from the ALP.
Now that the Liberals are the government, their entire frontbench are permanently unavailable for interviews 39 days after the election, refusing all interview requests unless it’s from Liberal apologists like Ray Hadley and Andrew Bolt who have never won Walkley awards for journalistic excellence but have been dragged before ACMA.
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Nick:
16 Oct 2013 4:38:29pm
Two boat loads of people have been returned to Indonesia.
That’s called turning back.
Labor would of brought them to Australia.
Good example of “sticking it up Hoo”.
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Yes, Hoo – it doesn’t get much weirder than that.
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Actually, I’m in Sydney, visiting my mother who’s in P of W hospital Randwick.
I’m using my spare laptop.
Hung printed the whole thread to disguise this:
16 Oct 2013 9:00:49pm
I think that the moderator, should either remove your comment, or allow me to call it for what it is a blatant, trolling, unsubstantiated lie.
Of course they obviously agreed and published – or is there another interpretation?
They booted Hung out of the park. Game set and match.
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The moderator didn’t remove the comment Juliana so how can that be game, set and match?
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I saw it on the actual Drum article and again in the reprint. Didn’t disguise anything Jules. But it was put in context. And it wasn’t deleted. So, what is the point? I call people out when they tell outrageous lies. All the comments stay put Jules. Have you, btw, seen our fire fighting volunteer Tony Abbott. Seems to be missing. Haven’t heard or seen anything from the PM either.
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Good timing with that O/S trip with your mother a few years ago, Carisbrooke. Amazing she was still able to manage it then.
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Viv, The LNP didn’t mention drownings as a reason to stop the boats, bloody hypocrites. And now here is the icing on the cake, when “boat people” were sent into a town in the Adelaide hills a ruckus took place about how they didn’t want these “queue” jumpers in their town. Now the LNP are going to shut it down the locals are in furore about it. The seat is Mayo = Alexander Downer = Jamie Briggs who wrote Workchoices for John Howard. Again I say the irony is delicious.
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Yes, thanks for that Voice. She’s 91. I was up there today and the registrar was asking about our thoughts and the inevitable, they keep people alive with drips ect. That’s what they are doing…And it seems to be here last few days.
My brother – the Greeny from Sunshine Coast is down here too.
My sister ended up in the same hospital last night.
It was quite bizarre. She has 4 dogs, and one young retriever dislikes an old spaniel. She got bitten trying to separate them. I drove her to Randwick Hospital from her house in Coogee and they kept her in to operate on her finger today. In fact they are keeping her in tonight.
My brother (Paris) has been concerned about whether to come over to see my Mum, for the last time (he has been here twice this year), and we were texting, at 2am. I was sittng in Emergency. I pointed out how peculiar it was that I had never been to Randwick Hospital before and yesterday I had a sister in emergency and my/our Mum slipping away in the same hospital….Such is life!!
On the bright side it is my UK granddaughter’s 1st birthday today – on ‘my’ birthday. I’m going out to dinner tonight with my other son who lives here at Double Bay. I don’t know where yet.
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Not Double Pay! 🙂
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My money’s on a hotel in Woollahra.
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Had a supper last night ‘Fish at Coogee’, or like Coogee (namish) I think (walked there & back). Rustic and good. 20 bucks a head. I think that my sister had tow much wine (BYO and then BYo at home), hence the dog mishandling.
My son’s picking me up and we will go with his beautiful girlfriend somewhere. Somewhere lively, not too dear. Not like Lucios (last time).
I couldn’t live here. Her dogs keep barking. despite having a 800 m2 block to run around in My brother and I took the 3 retrievers to Centennial Park. They jumped in the water chasing ducks.
This is a mad house (dogs & renovations), my brother in law and nephew have gone to UK for a fortnight. he’s Scottish.
Oh and I nearly forgot. t was windy landing and the plane took off again, 50 meteres from touch down. We had to circle and get buffeted. Then land in smoke!
Be glad to get back to G.C.
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So come on Juliana, are you a man or a mouse?
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He turns off his ‘notify me of follow-up comments via email’ when it suits him HOO. Either than or he will reply ‘I’m bored’.
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I think this just shows the true nature of the person Viv.
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Hope your mum is on the improve and all goes well Jules. Perhaps next time you post a slightly unpleasant comment and don’t respond to responses in your usual quick time ….. well, don’t do it when you are off to a distant hospital to see your dear mum.
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This is called The Dump. Its’ to write about The Drum.
Hung one on abused me, here:
“Look Loo Water you and your kind couldn’t give a toss about drownings. That is just a LNP cover for blatant racism.”
I gave the moderator the opportunity to agree with him, by reading my reply and ignoring it, or agreeing with me by publishing my reply.
They published my reply, concurring that it was, as I stated, blatant trolling…. “I think that the moderator, should either remove your comment, or allow me to call it for what it is a blatant, trolling, unsubstantiated lie.”
Now all I have done is point this out, yet you are trying to bully me by siding with my abuser.
Perhaps you should think more laterally and fairly – as did the moderators! I don’t expect it though.
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Just because your comment was published does not mean the moderators agreed with you Jules. If that was so then one could take it that they agree with all comments published and takes sides. They don’t. It doesn’t make sense.
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So your saying that they don’t moderate??
Try writing that someone is a trolling blatant liar and see what they do.
Anyway, what’s interesting is your support of a trolling blatant liar.
Never mind, I think we can all work out what happened. NB, your the only one in here that’s commented?
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I don’t think you get it Jules. Let’s close the topic.
New one – still waiting on that recipe !
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At Tracy Holmes’ latest article. Mods wouldn’t let me insinuate (ever so subtly) that Curious Party is a soccer-fascist, history-denying, etymological-ignoramus after s/he used the phrase ‘real football’. Maybe that and/or hint a prominent weekly soccer column was the moral equivalent of Mein Kampf.
Strong words I know but I’m resisting the mad rush to a boring standardised world. Let’s cherish difference I say.
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Yes, let’s.
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You’re awake too, Caz? I’m packing up for the day. Bonne nuit. (Schlafen Sie gut, SM)
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I was, and still am, contemplating Sydney today or tomorrow. I was looking at flights.
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I’m free this afternoon. And still cheap tomorrow. Sigh, I just couldn’t resist that last.
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Didn’t someone (or sometwo) once (or was it more than once) say that you ARE Curious Party?
Comparing a soccer column to a Hitler manifesto is such a subtle way of cherishing difference that I would have missed it (your cherishing of difference) completely if you hadn’t pointed it out.
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I though that you were sea mendez?
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I knew I shouldn’t have gone there. At least I was able to resist signing my name Sea Mendez and pretending I did it by mistake. There’s hope for me yet.
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About October 2008 Vulgar Jumblebrain showed up at Unleashed. I thought it was Adz Inc at the time.
I didn’t realise until earlier this year who it actually was when I stumbled on a disclosure. I had been trawling through the archives trying to find instances of VoR beating me up in the comments. She used to do it in the olden days. Usually over Iraq.
I’ve only recently come to multiple Nyms and I experience a degree of ethical tension over it but on balance I feel its justified.
Anyway at that exact same time Oct 08 I had considered a parody of Mulga called ‘Dogma Tumblebrain’. How’s that for coincidence? I think mine is slightly better just quietly…
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“I didn’t realise until earlier this year who it actually was when I stumbled on a disclosure.”
Which was?
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Oh, get with the program Caz. It was a disclosure here by me the other day in a discussion with you! I think you are probably half asleep.
I really admired Mulga Mumblebrain’s intelligence, passion, knowledge and linguistic skills. But s/he did go over the top regularly. As for Vulgar vs Dogma, I lean on the side of Vulgar because it pleases the ear more, although Dogma wins hands down on making the point you were after. However … good things come in (at least) threes! Because Vulgar was not I.
P.S. I’m sure it was considerate and respectful beating up. 🙂
Although I felt quite sick and disappointed about our involvement in the Iraq invasion I just assumed that most people who supported it had been brain-washed by the media. I don’t feel any sense of superiority here – more a lucky escape. I wasn’t subjected to the Australian media at the time and intermittent exposure to US media really made the brainwashing obvious.
Since our governments of no matter what political persuasion have followed the US slavishly since I’ve been born, I’ve always assumed that was something we have to do for pragmatic reasons. But we could have weasled out of this horrible and pointless invasion somehow I think – sent a ship steaming over there and then pulled out when the UN didn’t back it, or something like that. The ALP failed MISERABLY by not opening an Enquiry about our involvement when they got into power. Obviously the Libs were never going to do it. An absolutely disgraceful omission. Rudd’s a ponce and Gillard had just about zero interest in foreign affairs.
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P.S. Respect for taking on Mulga. That was just a bit before my time, or when I was just entering. (Sucked in by a need to communicate about the Iraq war, although that Carisbrooke character has absolutely no recollection of anything I’ve ever said about it.) Julian London was one of the few who took on Mulga.
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The other day, I found ‘Rumpole of Surfers’, and Cobber The Larrikin’. . .I had forgotten some of my pen-names.
Off to walk the dogs then airport.6:22 here
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Elsewhere, they’ve made 3D hooves, raised the US debt ceiling till Jan, Rudd’s a bastard and the now out-of-the-closet SMH cannot accept Twiggy’s money in good grace.
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Mendez seems to advocate free market capitalism in most circumstances. He disputes people on the left who criticise it and people on the right who support it without knowing what it is.
Curious Party criticises from the left without knowing what free market capitalism is.
The nature of free market capitalism doesn’t seem to interest VoR much at all.
This of course is evidence of your deviousness. Carefully constructing at least three personas to aid your maniacal pursuit.
The soccer columnist I was talking about has an idea that a confident and mature Australia will decide to mimic Europe and follow soccer. Its an odd argument that I think is illogical. I’ve heard it before somewhere.
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Europe doesn’t follow soccer or any other sport – that’s for poor old uncultured Australia. Meanwhile, I was just scanning Le Figaro (a French newspaper, for Sea Mendez’ benefit/horreur) online and France winning the latest football match is right at the top of all the news articles with a huge orange Alert Info arrow, as well as in the Just In list as the only item to be not only highlighted in orange but also have an orange box outline.
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Scumbag Abbott! He can’t get his head out of that church of his. “Repent! Repent you sinners! The end is nigh! Hell and damnation awaits!”
Oh, Fuck off imbecile!
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I noticed that and thought much the same. No longer content to dish our the endless lecturing it is now a sermon – short version – repent. If there was a God she should strike him down dead for being a disgusting hypocritical selective believer. The planet Earth should make its displeasure known – open up and swallow him and then close up.
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dish out
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A brilliant ad from new zealand. Unbloodymissable!
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Damon Young’s article. In response to GRF first comment.
Mods wouldn’t let me berate Young for ignoring the important issue of stray and neglected cats…
A kitten is for life not Christmas! Responsible owners neuter!
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ABC moderators are pro gay marriage and pro The ALP.
They leave a fatuous post standing, complete with invention and often will not post refutations.
Bunch of commie poofters 🙂
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From The ABC, tonight: “18 of Labor’s 26 Senators are former union officials”.
Thank god we’re getting a few uneducated people as senators. With Clive Berlusconi’s cabal, we’ll be the “Invy of The woorrold”.
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Did you spot, Hadron’s comment?
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http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/post-sex-cleaning-query-about-penis-dunking-goes-viral-on-uk-website-mumsnet/story-fni0dqlb-1226737972446
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..And in the same paper….: http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/government-departments-start-publishing-credit-card-statements-travel-summaries-office-expenses-for-ministers-staff/story-fni6uo1m-1226737951122
WOW, that’s unbelievable.
Isn’t it?
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Can we see ourselves in this list? I’ll own missing the point. Or running off at a tangent.
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/how-to-win-friends-and-influence-people-online-20131010-2v9rd.html
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Must have been written by Adz, who disappeared. Or, changed his pseud.
He missed off attacking good-natured poms.
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Adz popped up at Pobje about November last year (and typical to my tangential form, I’ll try to work that into my critique of the article I linked to). He offered the amazing insight that Europe is safer than Australia and more responsible with alcohol because he slept overnight in a Stuttgart park and wasn’t attacked. Of course everyone who attempts to spend a night in a Sydney park is murdered by a drunk.
Which brings me to the idea that ‘missing the point’ might be legitimate. The author has the advantage in that they have time to consider and research. The commenter doesn’t. I think its fair enough for them to ‘miss the point’ if they find the author has got something wrong, been lazy or is spinning. It goes to the author’s credibility. That’s why I thought it was fair enough for me to ‘miss the point’ and go after Clive Hamilton recently, over how ‘le binge’ entered the French language.
I missed the window at the Pobje similar article but it inspired some reading. I discovered the responsible drinking French consumed more alcohol and died more often of liver cirrhosis than Australians (and other alcohol related deaths but focusing on cirrhosis makes it easier to exclude different counting criteria). I also discovered that Germans hadn’t been keeping statistics on teen drinking and alcohol related hospitalizations until quiet recently. When they started they discovered they had a problem.
In my opinion Adz, Pobje and Hamilton have all succumbed to what psychologists call ‘availability’ and ‘availability cascades’. Adz reads of an alcohol related murder in Sydney and survives a night on the streets in Stuttgart. He overestimates the risk in Sydney and underestimates it in Stuttgart. Pobje reads the alarming headlines in Australia but not in Germany (partially because they’ve been slower to recognise the problem).
My point is the commenter can’t sit down and look this detail up when they’re reading the article during a tea break. They can only ‘miss the point’ and hone in on what they know.
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Of course by honing in on ‘Missing the point’ I’ve missed the point.
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Home.
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I wonder what happened to David Horton?
We could do with some articles by him, now that politicking is over for two years or so.
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Cazo, he’s here:
http://davidhortonsblog.com
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Is it worth looking at?
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Absolutely, Vivie. David is a brilliant writer -goes back to our era(dare I say that?) and knows his politics back to front. At the moment, I think he’s battling against the big C but his writing is as vigorous as ever.
Love his stuff!
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I know he is a good guy. The last time I went there he was reminiscing about something. I’ll check him out again. Thanks Ato.
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Back from Brissie. A brekkie in Sofitel.
Love David Horton, ta.
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Reading Liberal supporters’ responses to Jericho’s article on The Drum is
a. a nightmare
b. hysterical
c. hysterically funny
d. depressing
e. deja vu
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They will tail off, as I have just written to mark james.
Usually The Drum is full of ALP supporters complaining about something. Now as it’s all going according to plan, hardly any Liberals will write. What’s the point?
Tony’s all over The pacific. doing his job. Julie’s looking terrific at The UN and swapping jokes with Obama, as well as giving The Russian’s what for on Greenpeace. They’re suddenly up against a real no nonsense toughy.
Not like…err, whoever it was before.
If The Drum doesn’t start trotting out some articles of substance, it will become irrelevant.
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I see you haven’t given up on the piss taking then, Jules.
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He seems to be apologising and, as usual, turning up late. I do wish he would learn to walk properly and stand to attention without his feet set at a quarter to three.
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Yeae! AAlbi’s head is normal again! Thank bloody Zeus! I would have stopped watching the program if she went on wearing that bush dunny on her head!
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I noticed.
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I’m curious to see if Rudd, has paid back his expense claim to attend The Slipper’s nuptials? Does anyone know?
Then I’ll let it drop. It’s obvious that they’re all at it.
The only thing that I ‘can’ be sure of, is that Julie, didn’t need any plastic surgery on the side, while she was away.
She’s got a figure that must make Sarah Hamstrung-Bung, GREEN with envy.
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What gives you the idea that your figure or your looks are so bloody immaculate that you can judge the looks and figure of others!
Stop it, Cazo or you’ll go blind and then you’ll learn the hard way, why figures and looks are absolutely of no relevance to the brain and the heart.
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Tell that to the sailors who were lured.
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tell it to Butes??
Off to walk the dogs.
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I’m getting the feeling that you’re blind already, Cazo!
The sailors of whom you talk, were “lured” by the song of the sirens, not their looks. They were too far away when their hypnotic lyres and vocal chords first reached the pink shells of the sailors to be seen by them.
So, first the enchanting song (that’s why they were called sirens and that’s were our modern usage of the alarming sound comes from) and then the disclosure!
Which of the many Buteseses are you talking about, Cazo, the Argonaut? He, too, like his mates was a potential audio victim. Victim of sound. He wasn’t of course, because Afro wanted a bit of him… such a lusty deity that girl… and so she saved him.
Once the affair was over (‘coz he grew too old for the goddess) he took up apiculture.
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True, i knew that, but was dashing off a post before I went for a walk.
It wasn’t just there sound though they had voluptuous yammerers 😉
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Fingers in the till…
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By the time the poor sailors saw what sort of yammers those beasts had they were already a pile of bones!
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Good one at’aesthete. You realise that no one in here knows what we are talking about?
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I wouldn’t hold that against them, cazo. They know other shit that we don’t.
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I understand. We all understand, I’m sure.
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Why would Rudd who if he attended Peter Slippers wedding which was in 2006 need to claim travel expenses. He could have driven there given they live in adjoining electorates. Do you have evidence that he claimed travel expenses?
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No not at all. I was just stirring. If you find out first let me know.
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In true form. 🙂
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There is a time to stir and a time not to stir. There is also a time to apologise. Will that ever happen?
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Alberici looks grotesque in her new hairdo. Gives her that “I desperately want to look high fashion” Bloody awful! Almost as bad as her politics!
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Really! Her hairstyle? I even took a look and I don’t think it looks high fashion. Of course, I might be (alright, am) out of touch with current fashionable hair. I don’t think it looks bad either. From time to time women change their hairstyles – if you’re a television presenter then your TV hairstyle is a professional decision. It doesn’t look like a style you can just roll out of bed with or comb into place- it might have to be done by a hairdresser. Perhaps it’s a one-off for that night. She’ll have a hairdresser doing her hair before every Lateline regardless of what the style is.
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Voice,
Albi’s hair looked bloody ‘orrible! Like a phallus put through a brick maker’s mould… and when he was takin’ the brick out of the oven, Albi happened to be walking below, on the footpath, and the black brick fell out of the brick maker’s hand and landed on Albi’s ‘ead!
I can hear him now saying, in distressful tones, “Sorry missus, didn’t mean nothi’ it slipped oot o’ me ‘and loike!”
I wonder if the brick maker ended up in Port Arthur’s dungeons after that!
She should change brick makers toot de soot!
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I quite like high hair although I can’t pull it off myself. The cut for her usual/previous style is very high quality – it might look more informal or less fussy but takes a lot of art.
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They should all do what The ‘new’ Julia did….. .. Cart here tonsorial paramour around in the country’s jet.
Of course we don’t provide ‘them’ with jets. We just pay for Bill And Anthony to go around having love ins at various venues.
Can you imagine the cost of those venues and all of the costs associated with getting their supporters there?
Still, I don’t mind, it’s all part of the kaleidoscope.
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I didn’t think much of the new hair do either Ato. Unfortunately it reminded me of some boy-band type of ‘do. I like the natural look. Maybe the hair stylist wanted to try something new, just for a change. Sometimes a change is not for the best. I think we always know when Juanita is going out for the night after doing the 7pm news.
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Lots is happening’
Listen to this!
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No new stories on The Drum. Strange. There has been a lot happening, expense rorts and all those weddings. What’s up?
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There is one now. Cricket on the ABC. Aaarrggghhhhh.
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And another on Clive Palmer. Must be the combination of daylight saving and a public holiday in some states.
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I got a first up for the first time – on Mungo. No one has disagreed with me, yet.
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Two responses already. I had another comment up and after a short time it has disappeared. I called the Libs thieving liars. They could have pulled those two words and left the other four lines. Bastards.
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Great, the comment is back. Someone must have had a second thought. Odd though.
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Couldn’t get this up at The Drum. David Lllewllen’s blog, the moderators are on half day coffee breaks today.
“In here” applies to The drum, of course, just in case I offend someone sensitive.
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One of the saving graces of human governance is that we often get human fallibility in administrations of democracy.
There have been numerous characterless people thrown up throughout the ages, from Harold Wilson, John Howard, Queen Victoria, Ronald Reagan and Angela Merkel. The list is long.
These people allow, “Those who always know better” like some in here, and smug journalists to perpetuate their theories as to what we ‘should’ be doing, while us ordinary folk can just get on without the interference that “Those who always know better”, want to impose; like Marx, Wayne Swan, Lenin, Pol Pot, Kim jong wotsisnames dynasty, The Chinese, post-revolutionary France and the mores of scientific socialism.
To an extent the Palmer Paradox, is a breath of air, for anyone is not a busybody, or wants a simple conservative life, where one can work hard and pay taxes commensurate with their ability, so that the community may be advanced, without perpetual hand-ringing, bossiness and endless red-tape examined by unnecessary quangos and committees, who’s only mission is to perpetuate their dull and boring existence.
I wouldn’t vote for him in a pink fit, however I defend the right of his voters, to elect him…As much as my dearest wish is for that s**t Assad (and his murderous brother)to be trampled to death in the march toward a democratised universe.
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Very insightful Julian, but hardly cerebral, when compared to this:
This is all very well but I don’t think we need any more analysis on the selection of a Labor leader. Shorten is a bit off in my mind on quotas. But please give us some good biting commentary on the Liberals’ latest goings on. Reith won’t do it – he’s always talking about Labor this and that. Come on – enough on Labor. There’s the Libs getting away with rorting and bugger all commentary.
Now that really is a brain-stormer.
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It certainly got them brainstorming. 80 odd responses to little ol me. hehehehe
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That’s not fair! Cazo wrote about half of them and they don’t count!
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Do want a good larf. Mark Dreyfus., who’s been leading the criticism on expenses, has just had to admit that he, too had a dodgy claim.
He claimed for a trip to Perisher – what a stupid plonker.
I’m not listening to any more of it it’s just committee stuff and wanking.
let’s get on with running the country.
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Well, sure, Cazo but let’s get all these stupid plonkers cleaned up first!
It’s a mindset thing. A brain thing.
The right mindset runs the country.
The wrong mindset runs the country down.
Clean up their shit-clogged, greed-infested brains and we’ll be cruising.
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It’s not about the who but about the what.
Tony Abbott defends claiming travel expenses to participate in sporting events, including Pollie Pedal
http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/19297096/tony-abbott-defends-claiming-travel-expenses-to-participate-in-sporting-events-including-pollie-pedal/
Pollie fucking pedal! Zeus fucking save us! (Pardon the Gallic)
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Lovely to have it on the front page at least of the ABC – proof that Abbott’s generosity with his time volunteering to do polly pedal and raise money for charity was all just part of the job. All expenses claimed and paid for. Where is Jules now – he really ought to apologise and admit that he was totally wrong as well as totally out of his depth. And this goes for all Abbott’s other volunteering. But, guess what – Abbott didn’t say he was volunteering. Just repeated often by his many supporters on the Drum. Not forgetting that some of those ‘smug’ bastard Abbott supporters had the nerve to ask what volunteering Julia Gillard (or me) ever did.
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I think that you’ll have to be more specific Vivian, I don’t quite follow you. Has he been directed to pay back all of his reimbursements for events he attended ?
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There is no such thing as being ‘directed’ to pay back. It’s on your own conscience. Abbott says all his bike riding was community engagement etc etc. It is up to Abbott to change the rules so no one can rort them anymore. However, all this proves that Abbott did not do the volunteering work which so many, including you, praised him for. Such a generous bloke, all in his own time helping out charity. It was all bullshit.
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“Abbott says all his bike riding was community engagement etc etc.”
Yup, I’d agree with that.
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The American “Shutdown” is by no means all doom and gloom!
With the “Intelligence” officers out of work, I can see at least two great silver -if not gold- linings:
1: The collective IQ of the world suddenly shooting up back to average and
2: The next war in their pipeline will be delayed a while.
I think that’s bloody good!
America, stay shut the fuck up!
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-03/an-us-government-shutdown-will-hurt-small-us-pacific-islands/4995422?section=australianetworknews
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I was referring to the rest of the non-american world, Cazo.
Of course it will hurt lots of people, even american people but I do see the silver linings in all that: IQ up, wars delayed. No wonder Queensland Uni is looking good!
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Yes, I appreciated your sentiment. It’s just that ramifications reverberate. hey that’s not bad, RR.
Best we stick yo out own patch and worry about what we can do..
I’ve gone off The Drum, there’s nothing to rail about. And now we have to agree with everybody in here, ‘whilst’ wearing a tuxedo and using a linen napkin. Dull really.
By the way thank you so much for replying and I love your beautiful paintings, sorry, stories.
Isn’t it wonderful and fine and dandy and terrific.
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There I thought I had a unique view on the habits and vices of the Anglo world. This one takes the cake though;http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-03/hamilton-curse-of-speaking-english/4993940
I reckon he has been studying my Oosterman treats but it is a free world and I can’t be too miffed about a bit of plagiarism popping up in academia.
I will never reach the level of Hamilton-curse etc
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When I read it I thought you were ghosting for him.
Or perhaps he is your alter ego… Hmmm?
I think I made a dent in his hypothesis. I find the hypothesis I offered is persuasive, if we want a causal link between the English language and social problems. Frangipanis rebuttal was stronger than mine.
I also think he’s flat wrong about how ‘l binge’ entered the French language. Apparently it is a growing social problem there too. It makes me wonder if we can trust his other facts. As I pointed out there continental Europe drinks much more and suffers more health consequences than Australia. One may check WHO figure quite easily. I also offered anecdotes about picking my way through German cities paved with vomit and broken glass of a Sunday morning.
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So who are you writing as – see nothing from sea mendez.
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Theyre going slow, sorry. Thought it would be up before anyone here noticed.
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Viv, have a look at the posts by Postmodernism and Clownfish, terribly defensive, too defensive as others, more confident Aussies, are pointing out…
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Slow as a wet week there today.
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Had a bit of a gander at the comments and don’t think much of any of them. I’m obviously not in the mood. Busy helping with preparations for daughter’s 30th birthday celebrations on Saturday. Have two terrines in water bath in oven. Have very large spit bbq on trailer (cheap hire from local fishing club). But, back to the Drum. It’s just exasperating as usual and too slow as others have noted. Obesity – too much money, not enough education and little sense. Not necessarily anything to do with speaking English. Lot of fat little only children in China too. Some Pacific Islanders are rather large !
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Put a beard on Clive Hamilton and who does he look like?
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Heads up, Gerard! You need to get The Drum NOW! Let me know what you think of my globalization theory.
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Anti postmodernism is way off the mark on the white bashing if you ask me. S/he’s misconstrued Hamilton. If anything he’s saying some white people do it better than others.
Frangipani’s points seem reasonable enough.
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Finally, finally, finally!
Just got delivery of my car! Six days without it drove me near Bonqus Quintilius Augustus Brutus!
The excuse for the delay is that they couldn’t get delivery of a door clip until late yesterday!
Blah but nevermind! It’s in my driveway now and looking glamorous!
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