The Dump is:
For posting comments that don’t get up at the Drum, and for having a pleasant, mirthful or enlightening off-topic discussion.
It’s not for personal abuse of other commenters.
Please do that somewhere else if you must.
Play nicely or piss off.
However, why doesn’t a poster add a link for us to read and comment on here, much quicker. Maybe we can do a bit more bagging here, not that I speak for the moderators, yet.
NB: Being tiresome and boring, racist, sexist or just plain creepy is not playing nicely.
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The Pig’s Arms exists because a dozen or so years ago our other favourite playpen – the ABC’s Unleashed blogsphere started to go off. Like a sack of prawn heads in the sun. Something had to be done.
Moderation was taking forever. Comments seemed to be rejected randomly – outrageous ones appeared and reasoned ones were pinged. When they released the Drum / Unleashed ….. things actually got worse !
So many pieces from professional writers appear with no obvious merit. And the moderation has become, to put it frankly, appalling.
As a former contributor and a commenter, I was deeply disappointed at the plummeting quality from our pre-eminent media empire. And I resented so many challenging or dare I say, witty or funny posts in which we’ve invested seconds of our precious time – getting the chop.
So here, for all our benefit – is an open slather blog. Copy and paste your best rejected comments here for posterity. Does not matter whether you’re posting on the Guardian, First Dog on the Moon or wherever else.
And sprinkle pointers to the Pig’s Arms amongst your comments. Let’s try to rescue some of the old faithful.
Cheers,
Emm.
Window Dresser's Arms, Pig & Whistle 
Moderator?
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What ?
The cat got your filthy tongue ?
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I think hph is either pissed out of his/her/its barking brain or is well out of his/her/its barking brain.
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“Like the big smiley the you put up (after lauding your friend) when I complained about your friend insulting my family.”
Insulting your family???
When and where did I insult to your family? I was merely exposing your state of mind and exhibiting it for everyone to see what a heartless and mean person you are.
Do you know the meaning of the expression “mourning for the dead?”
You don’t wake up in the morning of the funeral, get onto internet and lock horns with people you don’t know.
What a weak character you are.
You have never felt grief over the dead of anyone in your life. You are incapable of feeling sorrow for anyone.
You right wing people are all the same.
When you mentioned your mother’s death on these pages I left you alone and didn’t say anything to you for quite a long time if you noticed it at all !
And, I left you alone not because I felt sorry for you,
I did it because; I pay respect to the dead.
I paid more respect to your dead mother more than you ever did.
Now put this in your pipe and smoke it, you filthy mouth !
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That’s the Oosterman spirit.
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Mr. Oosterman is a gentleman. What would you know about “Oosterman spirit”? You like rough man. By the way, where is the one-eyed monster ?
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Are you fucking crazy, writing garbage like this?
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Lowlifes !
Even the best of them struggled hard at 7:30 tonight !!!:)
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Jules – just give us the link, the article takes up so much space.
Big M – that fibre optic went past my property – I saw the equipment dig, lay and cover. It’s about 240 metres from my house. It’s in the neighbour’s paddock – they told Telecom not to dig up the road and gave them permission to put it through their property. I forget the year but it was around 1980. The machinery worked very fast.
Now, 2G, 3G, 5G or whatever – Australia is a hell of a lot bigger than Korea. Apples and oranges and all that. Wireless internet in the bush is complete hit and miss (doesn’t work where I live). You have to have the best mobile phone in the country – we have heaps of black spots and places that just get nothing but constant drops outs. It’s all very well for you big city types 🙂 hehehe.
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Jules – explain how this 5G stuff gets ‘rolled out’ and how it would happen in Australia and what would be the cost.
What was silly about ‘You wrote: it is done because it is needed, full bloody stop!…. Of course I cannot argue against such a silly statement.’ It is needed just like it is obvious that billions needed to be spent on turning the Hume in to the Hume Freeway and then more on maintaining it. If you can’t comprehend that Jules can I assume you know nothing about traffic, trucks, and stuff like that. It was not long before you arrived in Australia that it was just a two way road and it was narrow and dangerous with no overtaking lanes either.
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PS to Jules – if you reply and I don’t it is because I am off to town to pick up a printing job. I’ll be back at breakfast time.
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OK, It’s the same as method sd 4G, which I currently use: different frequencies. I didn’t post the link, because sometimes The SMH doesn’t come out, as it’s paywalled.
Here’s a link from ONE YEAR AGO, that I picked up on. Well not actually this link, but several at this time.
So we have to build towers of course. However we already have a lot of those and they are easier to build than digging cable up across a vast country.
I admit that the towers are ugly. That’s my view. I hate them all. So I would be saying that you do some in cable and you do some with towers. Microwave can be used; my brother-in-law, provides it. Big business use it to project couple of ks between their buildings. It neess line of site (microwave).
Traffic and highways: transporting people is NOT what this discussion is about. my view on that is that we should build ultra fast trains. The problem wit that is that it is very expensive.
But you move people, which is more important than watching videos. And of course, as you can see, the technology exists to transport people very quickly and communicate and work at the same time.
I think that I have exhausted this subject now Viv, But thanks for your time, it makes a change from some of the (embarrassingly)silly things that are posted and some of the silly insults.
@ BIG, I just put up a Bunnings shelf-set to complement my shed. It was easy once I git the base done. I’ll be filling it up when I get my, “light-angel”. I saw them on TV, and they succoured me in. Although I haven’t actually bought them yet. I was going to see if Bunnings did a version.
Off for a walk.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2323816/Samsung-announces-5G-breakthrough-download-HD-film-SECOND.html
Sorry forgot link.
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suckered…ha ha.
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My mum had something like the ‘light angels’…bloody things have fallen to bits. Then she got hold of some solar powered light, which is completely pissant. I think Big M is going to be paying for a 240 volt light!
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Jules – traffic and highways = infrastructure, NBN = infrastructure. Same subject and they also cost big money. And you said I was being silly. I was being entirely relevant. When and if Abbott ever gets around to building something must it be delayed for years because its need is not proven and no cost-benefit analysis or because it will be out of date in a year or two. You know those roads need constant maintenance (spending). You know high speed rail has been a subject of discussion for over 30 years. It’s a big NIMBY. The Albury to Melbourne railway line has lots of problems after it was rebuilt – the train is either always late or in fact you find yourself on a bus. 🙂
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http://www.theage.com.au/national/bikie-amin-fakhri-makes-an-unexpected-career-move-into-the-construction-field-20140127-31iyo.html
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“Children who have been on either side of bullying, even for a short period, are up to five times more likely to suffer from psychosis in adolescence and adulthood.
Researchers assessed a cohort of children and found those who were either bullies, bullied – or both – were significantly more likely to experience psychotic episodes at the age of 18 than their peers, regardless of external factors.
The finding highlights that bullying is not just a harmless schoolyard rite of passage, and should be stopped at the root.”
Based on extensive studies done at Warwick university.
A bully in a schoolyard seems to turn into an internet bully…
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To Jules: further to this yesterday
Waterloo Sunset. 2014:
29 Jan 2014 4:43:13pm
What are you going to do if you get The NBN, Olive?
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Stuffed Olive:
29 Jan 2014 5:07:13pm
I don’t think it is going to reach me with Turnbull’s fraudband. If and when it happens I’ll get back to you.
Over the last 8 years I have had many files which could not be sent via email. Big data files had to be hand delivered on a dohicky stick. Sometimes such files could be compressed, other times they could be broken down, but often it was not possible. The analytical work I did was ongoing and their sending and receiving was cumbersome to say the least. I never know when such data files will be back on the cards, workwise, but I’d expect the NBN would make all that a piece of cake.
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How big, Vivienne?
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Way over 5mbs at the time. 10 or 20. They could not be sent via email. A lot of it was in spreadsheet form and had a lot of what I think you would call embedded data.
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20 is a lot. That’s equivalent to large pixled photographs and complicated drawings.
I send and receive architects drawings, engineering drawings,schemes,photographs, hydraulic plans and documents around the world.
Usually the files (scans pdfs, or jpgs) are not much more that 12 mb. And at – say 5mbps they take may take a minute, however at 12mbps (my average) it takes about 20 secs. If I want to send 50mb, I send it in two lots. Mind you 50 mb would virtually be a small video.
I understand that I will get The NBN, within 6 months. I got a note in my letterbox.
In the meantime I use 4G. My landline is exclusively for faxes. And I’m thinking of dropping the landline, since there is a system for sending faxes linked to email now. Well there always was, but one needed a landline connected.
I receive ALL faxes via email, since Telstra convert them by faxstream, but I kept my facsimile machine connected to send.
I can’t imagine going much faster, excepting of course if one goes over to internet TV. I don’t need that since I have Foxtel through satellite.
ALL businesses need cable and certainly ALL institutions need them. I get my advice from my eldest son who is doing a masters in IT. He’s just done his first tranche – on Java. He’s head of IT at a University in The UK. Naturally I won’t disclose where because of previously being ‘bullied’ about my family activities, Viv.
He reckons that he’s happy with 100mps at home and/or he’s happy with 5mbps, at home.
Work is another matter.
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We all do interesting things with the net. I think we do all know that not absolutely everyone needs to have the NBN but it is like the telephone, we should all have it and it will be available for whatever may come. A home user may sell the home to a person who uses the property for business and has much more need/use for the NBN. Everything changes over time and the change timeframe is getting shorter. Of course one just signs up for the plan with the capacity which suits the user, as they do now, so they will do with the real NBN. Whatever the Fraudband turns out to be I would say that it is a dreadful waste of money to do a piss weak job of it. It is, as others have said, like building a one lane Freeway. It will require so much more money to fix it.
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Jules, a long time ago I worked in Engineering – Civil and Architectural. The drawings were huge affairs, the filing systems monstrous pieces of ‘furniture’. Things have changed a lot in that area.
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Of course, Viv.
I vcan compress files and also send things by cloud.
I’m against storing personal stuff in clouds – as Steve Wozniak is – however it’s great for business, because you can use it anywhere in the world.Of course you still need to deposit it and then recall it—-Or your client needs to recall it. So it doesn’t matter whether you have Cable Conry’s ideal, or A Taliban Chieftan’s web service, the abilty for others to download what you send (wheter by cloud, or direct is linited to their speed.
That’s another reason that I was against rushing into this technology without doing the research and the costings. It was a problem on two levels. One was the costing (non-existent) and the the was the benefit. If money hadn’t been wasted we may have had the reserves.
I’m finding that I use Phabet’s more and more now through the wireless system. It actually seems strange to be tethered to a desk.
FYI,there’s a new atom 8″ tablet out now that runs windows 8.1. it doesn’t have a built in modem (with sim), but it does have WiFi. You can also plug in a portable modem. I have two portable modems and a portable router D-Link myPocket. I can use the internet pretty much wherever I go.And of course I can access all of my documents.
Anyway, you stick to your point of view. I’ll accept that. And I will be guided by what I know.
PS: the new Dell 8inch tablet will have a sim in the next version, probably about May/June. Then you will be ablr to use a full windows exoerience online anywhere. I understand that Apple is going to inastll sims and modems too, so the whole industry is changing.
There were something like 70 million smart phones sold in 2013. That’s where the progression is.
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Apologies for all of the spelling. I am rushing as I am headed out with the trailer. Talk soon.
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Jules, you wrote ‘That’s another reason that I was against rushing into this technology without doing the research and the costings. It was a problem on two levels. One was the costing (non-existent) and the the was the benefit. If money hadn’t been wasted we may have had the reserves.’ The technology is not brand new, untested, unresearched, unused etc etc. You are obviously going back on that furphy of a cost/benefit analysis not being done. It was never necessary and it has never been done for any major public infrastructure – it is done because it is needed, full bloody stop. But, taking you further on what you believe to be wasted money (which has nothing to do with reserves by the way) why are you not hammering away at Abbott/Turnbull for continuing with your so-called waste. They are going ahead with a bum job anyway, which on the known facts might cost $2B less but will cost users $1000s each and then much more to replace the worn copper they insist on using. Doing the job twice! It’s plain nuts.
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There has been a good deal of research in fibre in this country. Telecom ran the first long distance fibre optic cable in the world (Sydney-Melbourne), first fully fibre-optic telephone system in a large city (Melbourne), and, by the way, the first telco in the world to get broadband via copper working.
There are some concerns, mainly from paediatric neurologists, that we are generating more and more EM radiation, and that 4G, and it’s daughters, may bring harm to young brains. This is the bit of the puzzle that is poorly researched.
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BTW, my tablet of choice is the Sony Xperia Z, water and dust proof, 10 inch, bravia graphics, etc!!!
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Sending from my phablet:
South Korea to spend $1.7 billion on 5G ‘movie-in-a-second’ mobile broadband
Story by Jung Ha-Won
Published: January 23, 2014 – 9:15AM
Fastest-ever broadband speed achieved
South Korea, already one of the most wired countries on Earth, has announced a 1.6 trillion won ($1.7 billion) plan to roll out a next-generation 5G wireless service fast enough to download full-length films in a second.
The science ministry said it aims to implement the technology within six years.
“We helped fuel national growth with 2G services in the 1990s, 3G in the 2000s and 4G around 2010. Now it is time to take pre-emptive action to develop 5G,” the ministry said.
“Countries in Europe, China and the US are making aggressive efforts to develop 5G technology … and we believe there will be fierce competition in this market in a few years,” it said.
Under the roadmap, a trial 5G service will be rolled out in 2017 and a fully commercial service in December 2020.
Priority will be given to developing key features for the new network, including ultra-HD and hologram transmission as well as cutting-edge social networking services.
Related industries will be able to rack up sales of 5G-related devices and infrastructure equipment worth 331 trillion won ($350 billion) from 2020 to 2026, the ministry estimated.
The government hopes to implement the plan with investment and co-operation from operators such as SK Telecom and Korea Telecom as well as handset makers such as Samsung and LG.
It also aims to expand the telecom infrastructure equipment industry, which is relatively weaker than the mighty mobile device sector.
Led by Samsung, the world’s top handset maker, South Korea has a leading 30 per cent stake in the global mobile device market.
“But the [telecom] infrastructure equipment industry has only a 4.4 per cent share in the global market, with exports very limited,” the ministry said.
Chinese equipment makers including Huawei have expanded their presence in the global market from 12 per cent in 2007 to 26 per cent in 2012.
Huawei announced in November it was looking at a 5G commercial rollout by 2020, with a minimum investment of $US600 million to develop the technology.
Seoul intends to take up to a 20 per cent stake in the world’s telecom infrastructure equipment market by 2020, according to the ministry.
New opportunities
South Korea is renowned for being at the forefront of internet technology with broadband speeds that consistently outpace those in Australia, Europe and the United States.
5G technology will allow users to download an 800-megabyte movie file in one second, compared with 40 seconds using 4G, the science ministry said, adding that such speeds would help South Korean firms win overseas deals.
Officials said the new service would also mean people on bullet trains running faster than 500km/h would even be able to access the internet, compared with the limit of 300km/h currently.
“Bullet trains around the world keep getting faster, with some in China running as fast as 500 and 600km/h,” said one ministry official who declined to be named.
“If we have the technology to allow fast internet access in these trains, it can open new opportunities for us globally,” he said.
Samsung announced in May last year it had successfully tested 5G technology, managing data transmission of more than 1 gigabit per second over a distance of 2 kilometres.
Samsung said it had found a way to harness millimetre-wave bands which have proved to be a sticking point for the mobile industry to date.
The test used 64 antenna elements, which the company said overcame the issue of “unfavourable propagation characteristics” that have prevented data travelling across long distances using the bands.
However, it made clear that the technology would not be available commercially before the end of the decade.
Now stop writng about stuff thatyou don’t know anything about Viviienne – I say most politely.
You wrote: it is done because it is needed, full bloody stop!…. Of course I cannot argue against such a silly statement. However, “this” (5G) is the future. I’ve written about it several times, however this is the first time that it has been mentioned in The Australian press.
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That was from The SMH, BTW.
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Phabulous phablet!!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_the_Australian_Building_and_Construction_Commissioner
This was disbanded apparently.
Anybody know why, it seems to be needed now?
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“ABC .. takes everyone’s side but Australia”
And this lowlife is our Prime Minister.
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Despicable lowlifes Tony Abbott and Liberals.
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🙂
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Hung One On says:
January 29, 2014 at 3:18 pm
Jules, next time you have a heart attack, go to a private hospital : ) : )
Why?
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Anyway, my blood pressure is perfect – as is my heart.
Let’s face it, I’m the only one in here ‘with’ a heart.
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My concrete is drying, so I can go back and put up my new Bunnings Shed.
Then fill it up with stuff.
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I also made some concrete boots, while I was at it. it seemed sensible.
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On a serious note, are you going to install some sort of thermal break, like aircell, or that neoprene stuff with aluminium on each side, as you construct the shed?? It’s easier than trying to retrofit when you’ve built it, and find it’s as hot as Satan’s arsehole!
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Well, I’m going to be moving it in about two months. Only about 60 metres, but I will have to put a new slab down, because the next position is on a slope, down towards the canal.
The concrete today, was to repair the driveway where I had a water leak. There was about one sq mtere by 100mls and I erected the shed there, because it’s under the eaves.
So the short answer is that it is just sitting on a concrete driveway, up by the side of the house – and I will do a better job when I move it.
It was a bastard of a thing to put together and I called on a friend to help. It needed self tappers (supplied) and pop rivets.
Actually he’s a great bloke; a carpenter by trade, so an ideal helper.
He’s been in Japan for a month and married a Japanese girl. I knew her as they have been together for about 18months. he lives in a sort of commune near Byron bay and has a combination of solar, battery and generator power. I think that there’s about 7 dwellings sharing the land and he’s often extending an invitation to go there. I will, of course.
Funny, I asked him today, if he worked while in Japan and if he had to get a permit. he said, ”no way, they only get $12 ph”. He charges $40 ph, here and gets $60 in Sydney.
I thought that everyone was rich in Japan, so I was surprised. Mind you he doesn’t stay in Tokyo.
…………………….
Actually a wind sprung up while we were holding the panels and there was only a couple of screws holding it together. MERDE!!!
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I’ve erected a couple of small sheds. the last was 4 by 3.3 meters. I’m amazed that the councils approve them they are only held together by 0.55 mm steel, plus a few screws.
I can empathise. I’ve been trying to hold base segments, corner, and top segments together, when a huge storm erupted. Definitly a two person job!
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Actually they sell a separate plinth surround. It can be filled in with timber, to raise everything off the ground. I may get that when I move it.
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A plinth makes more sense, then you can build it on pavers, timber, etc.
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I thought that you had gone, so I moved over to the dot, before I go to ato’s radio story.
Filling the trailer up tomorrow. That’s always a good back breaking laugh. Especially when I get to the other end.
I’ve gotta use it while I can, otherwise I have to borrw (my effing trailer) it back off my son-in-law)…I’ve just p[aid the rego tooo. Grrrrr.
Never mind he is married to my favourite daughter ( family joke, I only have one).
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‘I’m the only one in here ‘with’ a heart.’
Ha Ha ha!!!! Mr Cariz is sooo funny!
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No Jules. Have a heart attack and go to a private hospital. It will be an interesting experience for you.
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Why (he asks for the 2nd time)?
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Because they will send you to a public hospital
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Where did this come up?
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Because
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Can you believe it? A Prime minister being interviewed on a rubbishy commercial radio station.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-29/tony-abbott-steps-up-criticism-of-abc/5224676
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PIGS ARSE:
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PIGS ARSE:
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/ben-fordham-snubs-prime-minister-rudd-on-radio-2gb/story-fni0cx12-1226712235945
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Excuse me folks, BTW. I’m just trying to get to grips with my Strine, during Australia Week.
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Now this is the speech pattern of a stellar intellectual. My pet worm can muster up more brain cells:
“I’ll leave any analysis of the media strategy up to the Kevin Rudd media team, but I think it’s a bit presumption that people will drop everything and can their plans and axe organise guests to make way for Kevin Rudd two sleeps before the election and two sleeps before he’s not going to be the PM any more.”
Ben Fordham is right up there with the flying fluffy mackerel!
Thanks for the retching and the belching, cazo!
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You weren’t supposed to listen. I didn’t.
I was just refuting gerard’s statement.
We don’t get those stations, or announcers, up here in Queenslandville. Were country people; salt of the earth. Gorgeous intelligent and gregarious. Generous and hospitable munificent and helpful.
In fact we are….The Champions……………..
I’ve paid my dues
Time after time.
I’ve done my sentence
But committed no crime.
And bad mistakes ‒
I’ve made a few.
I’ve had my share of sand kicked in my face
But I’ve come through.
(And I need just go on and on, and on, and on)
We are the champions, my friends,
And we’ll keep on fighting ’til the end.
We are the champions.
We are the champions.
No time for losers
‘Cause we are the champions of the world.
I’ve taken my bows
And my curtain calls
You brought me fame and fortune and everything that goes with it
I thank you all
But it’s been no bed of roses,
No pleasure cruise.
I consider it a challenge before the whole human race
And I ain’t gonna lose.
(And I need just go on and on, and on, and on)
We are the champions, my friends,
And we’ll keep on fighting ’til the end.
We are the champions.
We are the champions.
No time for losers
‘Cause we are the champions of the world.
We are the champions, my friends,
And we’ll keep on fighting ’til the end.
We are the champions.
We are the champions.
No time for losers
‘Cause we are the champions.
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Like most ex pats, yawn.
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I’m an Australian, with a passport. I swore allegiance to Australia.
Unlike others in here????
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Yawn. Sorry mate but most of what you say is so yesterday yet you see yourself as above us Aussies.
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Such as?
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Evidence please.
Or, is that too much too ask?
or maybe your just turning nasty now that I’ve put the pressure on today with hundreds of arbitrary posts??
Ring any bells 🙂 🙂
Always remember M, what’s good for the goose 🙂 🙂 🙂 : ) : )
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And what’s wrong with going to a public hospital? Do you have anything against them.
They could be a whole lot better funded with a GST.
You know like Scandinavia’s 🙂 : ) : ) : )
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I’m off for a jog and a walk.
C ya. 🙂 🙂
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🙂 🙂 🙂
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They could be a whole lot better funded with a Super Resource Tax.
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Did anyone see the 7:30 report?
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…not last night, we came back from Sydney spot on eight o’clock…helped daughter to set up her new house.)
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http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2013/s3933662.htm
It’s a beauty.
Brian Fitzpatrick has given his life to the unions. What a brave human being.
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Corruption at any level should be stamped out
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Well said, however this pervades the unions. There must be a Royal Inquiry, or something similar. I don’t know the correct terminology.
And look at Thomson; signing off for prostitutes with worker’s money?
Everybody laughed at Pyne and Abooot, when they ran out of the Parliament. At least they have standards.
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You might mean a Royal Commission and yes bring it on. Just remember though CEO’s etc. are just as corrupt, are you happy for them to be investigated?
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Bloody oath.
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I don’t think she can afford to run an inquiry: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-29/queen-elizabeth-household-finances-come-under-fire/5223946
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Isn’t she wonderful. A truly honest lady.
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Gotta go. I’m pouring some concrete.
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Even Betty Windsor has to face austerity Big M
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Carisbrooke, it’s hot here, so it must be even hotter in Queensland…so remember: Only mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun….( Noel Coward)
And you are pouring concrete…?
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‘A quick look at the latest polls suggests all is not “beer and skittles” for the Abbott Government, as Dennis tries to suggest, with Reachtel poll out yesterday giving Labor a commanding 53-47 two-party-preferred lead.’ Quote from IA. For the first time in my life I got polled (by phone) and my response is in this Reachtel poll. I’m yet to check if its results appeared in the MSM.
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Surely even his own side must get sick of all these blunders…finally. If they can see overseas what a silly man he is, surely there many willing to give a miss..
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give him a miss
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algernon1 says:
January 28, 2014 at 5:42 pm
Look up 4 William IV roads Jules
OK. Instructions carried out.
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In relation to private roads that’s all. They date from the time of William the fourth.
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He sounds like he could have been an Aussie.
He had ten children by his mistress – who had three children by a lawyer (probably union) 🙂 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothea_Bland
So he provided for 13 kids. One of them went to sea at the age of eleven (later captaining the royal yacht) and one published a treatise about “New Holland” (Australia). It was a mix of feminist utopian gothicness, redolent of Frankinstien, apparently.
They were all illegitimate of course, but received an allowance – one supposes.
One of the males committed suicide. Depression I do believe,
Blast that effing Google. I’ve got better things to do that clog up my brain with new trivia everyday
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Sounds like he’s someone from Pennyplot!
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Yes, I have snuck in for a quick peruse. I’ll be back to see who you came up with Movalia (or is it Mavolia?) Ur plot mentions mackerels.
I’m wondering if it is a sensual portmanteau?
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Shame that you didn’t get that these roads were private road built for public use in the 19th century, Some still in use today. Disappointing really
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I told you that I read it.
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There are a lot of public companies. You find them on the stock exchange. They’re a bit like a collective.
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Abbott appoints another bozo
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-28/peter-cosgrove-to-be-announced-as-new-governor-general/5221566
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well he does vote Labor, and he did handle the cyclone up in QLD.
Apart from that I know nothing.
He looks as though he eats too many pies.
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He’s from the army, rest my case. Oh and he lead the invasion of East Timor that is now run by criminal gangs, well done.
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Did Cosgrove tell you how he votes Jules? Nup. I recall a number of his statements a few years ago which indicated in fairly certain terms that his sympathies were with the Libs. He is a bit of a monarchist to boot (ha). He’s fought in wars and been involved in the Timor liberation war. He is a soldier who worked his way up the ladder and got big promotion under Howard.
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Army and Navy seem to loom large with our Liberal leaders: Howard sent Army to our indigenous people, Abbott is scaring Indonesia with our Navy…he’s nice but, ‘cos he gave Sri Lanka some of our older boats….
Now he has appointed an Army man to be our GG…were there no girls to choose from, I suppose not, for sure he must have checked first…
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I would have chosen Brynne, great hooters 🙂 🙂
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HOO, who’s Brynne? Bronwyn?
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Edelstein’s soon to be ex wife.
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Edelstien Helvi, some big boobed blood that was married to a rich bloke and I was actually joking because she can’t cook, cooking is far more important. 🙂
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Opps, blonde
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In Tassie JL apparently they serve curried scallop pies, Before I die I want one.
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Yes, the produce and consequently, ‘the fayre’, is amazing in Tasmania.
I haven’t been…but I will go.
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We holiday in Tasmania every two or three years. I don’t usually eat pies, but the scallop pies are exceptional, as is just about everything else there!
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Big M, I saw them on the telly, have wanted one ever since. Now I can fly again me and Tutu are going to go for a holiday, first stop, the curried scallop pie shop.
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I make my own HOO. Scallops – I love them, lots.
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Curried in pies Viv? If yes will you marry me after my messy divorce 🙂
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That Tas curried pie business is just one business which only sells locally. They say they can’t make a pie as good as they do which would be fit for shipping to say Victoria.
Make a thickish white sauce and add a little grated cheese and curry power. I blanche the scallops and drain them well then plonk into the sauce. You can buy decent pastry sheets and line small bowls, pop in mixture and pop a pastry top on it and then cook in oven for about half an hour. You could find a recipe on the net. Once you have your scallops you can get cooking.
Other times I like to curry the scallops and serve with rice, or put on a stick with lashings of garlic butter and do over coals. Or souse them and pop in the mouth with a cold beer.
PS: I’m too old for you ! 🙂
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The scallops in Tasmania are cheaper than potatoes!
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You’re still gorgeous Viv and any way Tutu won’t let me divorce her 🙂
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Peter Cosgrove…cyclone wrangler.
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He’s better at scoffing pies. have a look at his waistline.
He should have come with me this morning. I walked 2ks and jogged 1k, with the Cavs.
I noted that The Royal Pines has set their golf course up for the ladies next week. I walk past it in the mornings.
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http://www.smh.com.au/national/bikies-crooks-and-barangaroo-20140127-31izo.html
These are the very same people that have produced most of The ALP politicians. And chosen the PM.
Rudd battled against them.
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Again JL, it comes from both sides. Please read my post below about insider trading.
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Yes, I had read that before you posted it. I read the news at night and I read the news around the world every morning at about 5:30.
He was wrong and has been fined $50,000 plus banned from running companies.He should be called Pat Equality 😉
Just because I am on the side of Liberty, doesn’t mean that I condone illegal activities, or stealing!
Just because you are on the side of the public service, doesn’t mean that you condone union thuggery.
I am just pointing out the yin and yang of the patina.
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Fair enough mate, just because I am on the side of the poor and impoverished doesn’t mean I support union corruption. : ) Sorry couldn’t resist the simile.
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You mean smiley.
I am on the side of the poor too, however, I realise that the best thing that I can do is work hard to generate revenue for them – and everybody else who relies on my taxes.
It’s my one small step for mankind 🙂
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Do you want me to stop then?
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No, my spell checker spells it as simile (which my dictionary says it means a figure of speech that expresses a resemblance between things of different kinds (usually formed with `like’ or `as’) and I never argue with my spell checker. And like you everyone depends on my taxes so don’t stop, haha 🙂
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Nobody depends on your taxes Hung. Unless you are in the private sector. Are you?
You don’t have to answer BTW, because sometimes information can be abused in here. As we found out recently.
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Example of simile:
Life is like a red balloon. It blows up just as you’re breathing into it!
Example of metaphor
My red balloon needs more breathing than I can muster from this death bed!
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No, I don’t mind JL. As I have stated before I don’t agree with your political views but otherwise I like you. You and I go way back, like most of the same music, can have an odd barney and get over it. If you come to town let me know and we can catch up.
And for the record, yes, I work in the private sector.
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The private sector depends on the public sector. Who arranges for the roads, ports, airports, bridges, railways, water, sewerage, dams etc etc. They go hand in hand Jules. And it all goes round and round.
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atomou, hyperbole, the red balloon strangles the man with the breathing disorder while watching a doco on SBS about world piece( sorry, couldn’t resist this one)
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HOO, who’s atomou?
🙂
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“The private sector depends on the public sector.”
Well it is not exactly, ‘mutually exclusive’
You can’t build roads or ports without money, which comes exclusively from the private sector. Unless you can demonstrate where any road, or any infrastructure has been built without either taxpayer’s (private sector) money, or private funds – as in rail to transport coal ect.
Every 50 cents comes from the private sector. Even a service that is provided by a government dept, because the taxpayer sets up the dept and then the private sector buys the service, or instrument, whatever.
Can you name anything where the origin is not private revenue, Viv?
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Sorry pedant to HOO, had you mixed up with a Greek gentleman that enjoys coffee and ouzo.
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We are going to have to go back a couple of hundred years and then work forward to explain who pays for what and how it gets done. Local government acts more like a collective whereby the residents band together to buy road making equipment and get all sorts of things done which they can’t do by themselves. You might call local government public and it is but it is done by the people for the people and it is the same with all government. They’ve come to depend on each other. The private sector, let’s just look at say the last 60 or so years, relies on the public sector to provide infrastructure for their various businesses and activities. A local truckie can’t build or maintain the roads he drives on to keep his business going and to earn a living. To provide telegraph and then telephone and then internet services for all, the government has to do it and then the private sector pays to use it. The government may or may not borrow to do that but it can borrow at a cheaper rate than an individual and it often borrows from its residents and pays them interest. It all goes round and round Jules. Once the relationship is set up one can’t do without the other. Public servants pay more taxes than private business people who have been given so many lurks it isn’t funny. I personally know some individuals who pay next to no tax and used to laugh their heads off at the amount of tax paid by a teacher. Anyway, it is called the economy and it is called society. Private sector cannot exist without the public sector and we all pay taxes (some more than others) and it all goes round and round.
I’m off to do my shopping and keep that private mob going with my ‘hard earned money’. 🙂
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I don’t blame you for running off Viv 🙂
It’s definitely the best strategy when confronted with an unbeatable argument.
ALL money; local government; federal govt; whatever comes from the private sector.
We appoint a local council, local government or National government to mange the public’s money.
It only becomes public money when it’s given over. Then it is utilised for whatever.
I’l put it another way. Evrey single dollar comes from a business.
Any arguments to that one?
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Nup – go back and see how we got a public sector. The people willingly formed local, state and then in 1901 a federal government. It’s all mutual and it’s a collective. It’s a bit like the chicken and the egg. You can’t have one without the other. The people own the government, the government is us, we all put in our bit. Without the government the private sector wouldn’t just not pay taxes, it would have less business and less profit. It all goes round. I do see your point but I say you can’t have one without the other.
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I’ll let you off. I wasn’t looking for a real argument.Obviously, you must know that your wrong, since wee don’t live in a commune, we just heave up our cash for (public) wages and services.
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I’ve gotta stop this because I’ve remember some other factors in the whole scheme of things. The poms just pinched the whole country from the Aboriginals and paid them nothing. Over time they gave large chunks of it away to pommy toffs for nothing and they got rich by flogging off wool and stuff. They also granted licences to mining companies to make squillions and only pay a few pennies in royalties for the right to get rich and pay taxes. But way back in pongo land, some centuries ago only the royalty owned the land (they pinched it too) and the peasants worked the land for a penny or two and the landlords became wealthy by flogging off the results of the toils of the peasants. Other wealth came by a thing called stealing – gold, jewels etc from foreign lands or from more peasant/slave labor in cane fields, spice fields and so on. And over time we had businesses and schools and teachers and councils and governments. Things became more organised and relatively fair and we all prospered. And people came here from all over the world because Australia is so bloody lovely – even to pommy migrants living the life in Queensland who still think that all money comes from the private sector. It’s complicated. 🙂
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There isn’t one 50cents that doesn’t come from the private sector.
I gave you a challenge to make it easy.
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Horribly, slave labour supplied cane and spices that were sold to pay (for money….business) teachers and others.
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Maybe we do live in a commune – it’s called Australia. It’s very very big and it’s well organised. I am cooking blue swimmer crabs which I bought from my fishmonger who bought them from the wholesale market in Melbourne who got them flown in from either WA or SA where a bloke with his fishing boat caught them last night.
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There should be 24% GST on it…For the benefit of The State. Then ther’s the petrol he bought for his boat, his pots that were made in down-town whoopsidoo, ect, ect.
All money comes from the private sector. The public sector is there to revive us and keep us on our feet.
Till we drop dead, then our children will pay.
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No Jules – the slave labour was well before teachers. Australia had some slave labour in Queensland but that was before your time. The slave labour I’m talking about is the stuff which enriched the kings and queens and landed gentry in pongoland. Again, you can’t, today, have one without the other – private and public – and it is because the private sector don’t on their own pay enough taxes to run the public sector and the necessary services that the government(s) added other taxes, on cigs, petrol, food, cars etc. Everything goes round and round. It’s origins are original collectives which have grown. It is all of us, not just the private sector (and I love my fishmonger! whose son in being educated in the public sector and will no doubt be well qualified to get a job in the private sector or run his own business sometime soon).
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The monarchies all over the world collected taxes and gold, ect.
IT ALL CAME FROM BUSINESSES.
Initially it is generated privately, whether it is a grain of wheat – like the grains that were confiscated by the Bolsheviks – or a tax paid in Australia by the lawn-mowing man.
There is only one source of revenue……..The Consumer.
You make a car for a consumer
You make cheese for a consumer
You make a felt tip pen for a consumer.
And business makes it and sells it
That’s why we need a higher consumption tax.
And of course less public services consuming the tax payers dollar.
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Anyways, I’ve run out of ink.
I’m off to jog for another KAYE
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OKay, I’m not buying into the consumption tax/GST. That’s complicated too ! In my view.
Night night.
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Look up 4 William IV roads Jules
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Jules, next time you have a heart attack, go to a private hospital : ) : )
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Nothing will ever surpass the kickbacks under Howard’s watch. Remember the estimated $ 400.000.000 to the AWB before the Iraqi war? Nobody was ever charged. The Royal commission was a white wash. It was a nice little earner for the AWB and NLP boys then.
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The money didn’t “go” to the AWB. It went to Iraq.
It was done for the good of our country, but at the disadvantage of others and broke sanctions.
It’s what China is doing now, all over the world. There isn’t a despot that hasn’t been bought.
The next generation can sort it out. There will be enough here – millions and millions standing shoulder to shoulder, digging in their heels to stop themselves being pushed into the bush.
In fact humans will probably eating the bush in 500 years.
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As against, eating bush, of course 😉
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Yes, it was ‘only’ 290 million, chicken feed, really!
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Don’t be silly, chickens don’t eat money. They eat wheat, just like the Iraqis.
I don’t know what this thread is about, really. I just joined into find out.
I’m still in the dark. What happened to this 290 mill?
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I suppose the AWB are better than the yanks, they gave the Iraqis ‘WOMD’!!
Chickens can’t eat womds, either.
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I dunno? I suppose Seminole Indians are better than Peruvians.
I’m really lost here, however I know that I can’t eat womds either. They sound like something that one might order in Allo Allo. Hey, good moaning, free womds with toast pleayas.
Try a valium and a brandy and warm milk, Big.
I’m gonna cut some zeds.
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My cousin is married to a Peruvian Indian…seems like a nice bloke.
Happy zed production.
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Gee, I can relate an analogy to this
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-27/federal-police-drop-proceeds-of-crime-action-agaisnt-ex-gunns-b/5220286
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Hung One On:
27 Jan 2014 12:24:02pm
In this day and age anyone that uses the phrase in this day and age isn’t really in touch with reality. For example Bunk, which day and which age would you prefer us to use?
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A happy little debunker:
27 Jan 2014 4:10:06pm
Pointless and meaningless verballing.
This age would be the multimedia age – where nearly every device is multifunctional.
10 short years ago – the technology was not embedded into mobile phones – as they are today. So whilst the multimedia age was there , it was nowhere as developed as today.
That you cannot contextualise these, without explanation, indicates your reality – like ‘Einstein’ien space – is warped!
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rossta:
27 Jan 2014 10:52:31pm
.. got anything of relevance to say there, or are we to suffice with your BS…
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AndyM:
27 Jan 2014 5:04:02pm
Answer the substance of the question, not some confected objection to it.
Do you find people frequently get annoyed at you being a pedant?
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SueB:
27 Jan 2014 5:32:51pm
That’s all you got? Criticizing how a commenter remarks about the present time. Good thing he didn’t write ‘methinks’.
I’m sure all defense personnel actions are digitally recorded as are the police, taxi drivers and anyone else who can be falsely accused by people with ulterior motives.
The recordings have been offered to the investigation.
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Hung One On:
28 Jan 2014 7:07:18am
To all the kind and wonderful people who replied to my post, thank you. It just shows how nasty you all are and that my wit was totally lost on you. If you can be bothered to read it again here’s a question for you, what did I start my post with? Answer: In this day and age. Me, I think(or should I say methinks, hahaha) the irony was truly delicious, you lot came in with boots swinging with your phoney outrage. It says a lot about you. Get I hope the mods let this through. It might just be a lesson to some to read things a bit more carefully.
Sorry but had to post this. Some folk at the Drum just want to go for the jugular rather than read what has been said.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-27/how-do-you-get-the-smartest-kids-in-the-world–/5221294
This one lifted my spirits, did anyone else see it on 7.30 last night?
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Yes, I did and hopefully hundreds of thousands of others as well. Amanda Ripley, an American journalist and writer was pointing out the mistake of the much favoured fashion in the US (and here as well) of giving praise to kids when no effort was put in the work or assignment.The mistaken idea that giving unearned praise somehow gives a boost to ‘self esteem’.
Please note this link is an ABC article NOT an Oosterman defence or pro Scandinavia initiative.
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Yes I watched it last night. I hope Pyne-nut was watching it as well.and taking notes.
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H, when I retire I want to be a pine nut farmer, $50 a kilo.
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$50 a kilo .. hmmm.. right now he must be worth 70 times by $50.
Hung, It’s better to plant him and get some seedlings.
🙂
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Psychopath !
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You or Mundine 🙂
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🙂 🙂
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Hah, hah, haa…
Yet when I asked you, “Do you punch old people in their sixties and then brag about it?” your answer was, “Yeah sure. Is that inappropriate?”
Yeah proud man !
“I really am a Mundine fan. Apparently he’s quite humble in real life. I once accidentally death-stared him at Coffs Harbour airport. Didn’t mean anything by it. I was just in a bad mood and our eyes met. He quickly looked down and away. Didn’t make anything of it like a lot of tough guys would.” Hah, hah, haaa…. This makes it even more funny !
Try a woman next time: Juile Bishop
Hah, haaa……..
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Drum mods knocked off early today.
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So it would appear
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“Best Short Comedy from a foreign country”
Yes, as MJLC suggested, Tony Abbot’s Halt das Boot is in stiff competition from North Korean entry. 🙂
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see what I mean folks? .. heh, heh, heh.
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Not quite. Could you enlighten me hph. I don’t seem to have the same thought process as some others.
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What are you talking about hph?
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I don’t reply to *him* or comment to *him* yet *he* follows me everywhere:)
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On which article – where, on the Drum?
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here, Vivienne, here…
you see, I promised to Mike 🙂
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At the drum, I will do him proper.
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🙂
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I’m so sorry but hph I still don’t get it. But I am glad you are enjoying it. Sometimes you have followed yourself here. I’ve done that – especially once on Algy music selection when no one else was there, just me dancing along by myself.
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Don’t worry about it, Vivienne.
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As long as you do him ‘slowly’ hph!
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