The Dump

The Dump is:
For posting comments that don’t get up at the Drum, and for having a pleasant, mirthful or enlightening off-topic discussion.
It’s not for personal abuse of other commenters.
Please do that somewhere else if you must.
Play nicely or piss off.
However, why doesn’t a poster add a link for us to read and comment on here, much quicker. Maybe we can do a bit more bagging here, not that I speak for the moderators, yet.

NB: Being tiresome and boring, racist, sexist or just plain creepy is not playing nicely.

give a crap

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The Pig’s Arms exists because a dozen or so years ago our other favourite playpen – the ABC’s Unleashed blogsphere started to go off.  Like a sack of prawn heads  in the sun.  Something had to be done.

Moderation was taking forever.  Comments seemed to be rejected randomly – outrageous ones appeared and reasoned ones were pinged.   When they released the Drum / Unleashed ….. things actually got worse !

So many pieces from professional writers appear with no obvious merit.  And the moderation has become, to put it frankly, appalling.

As a former contributor and a commenter, I was deeply disappointed at the plummeting quality from our pre-eminent media empire.  And I resented so many challenging or dare I say, witty or funny posts in which we’ve invested seconds of our precious time – getting the chop.

So here, for all our benefit – is an open slather blog.  Copy and paste your best rejected comments here for posterity.  Does not matter whether you’re posting on the Guardian, First Dog on the Moon or wherever else.

And sprinkle pointers to the Pig’s Arms amongst your comments.  Let’s try to rescue some of the old faithful.

Cheers,

Emm.

15242 thoughts on “The Dump”

  1. vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

    The Dot has gone. Interesting development.

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  2. Now I know Gerard.

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  3. Coogara:
    25 Mar 2014 8:19:12am
    Helvi, you can now sleep sound at night knowing the money spent on keeping boat arrivals out is diminishing as fewer boats make the trip. The LNP has taken the sugar off the table. Seekers of asylum now know that a boat trip means being drowned, returned to Indonesia or being resettled in PNG.
    ………………..

    My reply:
    “The LNP has put more sugar on the table. The CEOs of the prison companies can sleep sound at night knowing that the government money spent on keeping the boat arrivals in the concentration camps has increased.”

    …went straight into the wastebasket. I guess they don’t like the words “concentration camps”

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    • Guess who Coogara is? Or John, Reaver and so many others?

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      • Sea Monster's avatar Sea Monster said:

        Don Diego de la Vega?

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        • I watched an episode of Yes Minister tonight. It wouldn’t be allowed under The ALP. Too many comments about other countries and races.
          I saw Tommy Copper too. he was conducting an orchestra, with a mouse in his suit.
          Hilarious, however some of the comments would be banned by The Australian Left. NOT The British Left – just The Australian Left.

          What is it that makes people such busybodies and telling us all what to say?

          Jenny Brockie’s programme was good tonight. She’s on top of her game.

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        • You mean those loonies on the right like Hitler, Mussolini, Pinochet, Pol Pot? They were all champions of free speech, weren’t they?

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        • helvityni's avatar helvityni said:

          Jayell, Jenny is very good…our lawyer was once on her show.Yes an excellent show last night.

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        • sea monster's avatar sea monster said:

          Is it fair to say Pol Pot was right wing? He seemed to have it in for the middle class. And then there’s the whole agrarian collective thing.

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        • I just got back from walking the dogs in the botanical garden. pol pot was a monster, who’s ideas were hatched on the left-bank in gay paree.

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        • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

          Pol Pot was just totally mad.

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        • I see what you’ve done there with the spelling of agrarian, Sea Monster (neigh Mendez). It’s the old double bluff.

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        • sea monster's avatar sea monster said:

          It’s the topic that just won’t go away, Coogera.

          I’m amazed at your genius. You must have 25+ characters on the go across various blogs. Yet you manage to keep a consistency line and distinct style going for each of them.

          I still can’t work out how vigourous criticism of Tony Abbott and the LNP by many of your alter egos works into your pro-LNP agenda. Or unambiguous praise of Labor.

          Others who try much simpler deceptions trip up and can’t maintain consistency. Why change government when the economy is going swimmingly, it’ll be dole queues any day now. We are Australian, I am not Australian.

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        • Talking to yourself, SM. You geniuses just can’t find anyone else smart enough. 🙂
          ———————————-
          Now, enough of this nonsense. I was wanting to have an argument with you over pronouncing ich properly i.e. not ick. Have you decided to?

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    • helvityni's avatar helvityni said:

      Thank you hph, amazingly I wrote about sleeping badly on another blog,Coogara must be following me 🙂

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  4. vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

    The discussion (! ?) on the Drum’s Morrison and Barnes piece is vomit inducing as well as being extremely sad. One of the worst to date. What a horrible horrible horrible bunch.

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    • Yes, that’s right. And now those vile people are thinking of introducing ‘Knighthoods”. Hoods they all are but ‘knights’?
      It’s so English, isn’t it? How come we are finding it so hard to get away from mum?

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      • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

        Well he was born there gez, I thought the country had grown up a bit now were going back to 1957.

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      • They’d obviously rather stay with Britain

        They’ve seen all of the countries that were fucked by The Dutch !

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Former_Dutch_colonies

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        • …and here’s me, thinking we were part of the USA.

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        • Did anyone see Berg, on ABC (or Fox), last night.

          What an oaf. Frothing about ceremony and tradition have never put a face to his artciles before.(I had a TV night last night.)

          What a pontificating vile piece of shit – telling everyone what to do.

          The only thing missing from his drivel, was food stuck in his (pretend) designer stubble (underdone by 4 days); a cork on his head and snot dribbling out of his nose.

          What an uncouth twerp.

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        • Gerg Barnes, I meant. Shows how much I’m up to date with drivel, balderdash – and farcical, comments from a disgruntled disaffected Wally.

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        • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

          Gawd Jules for a moment there I thought you were making such unusual sense. Very funny. Berg has such a baby face I’m not even sure if he shaves yet. Barnes is a Liberal and a republican so be careful what you say about him.

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        • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

          On reflection of your comment above Jules I would say that it is Abbott and his IPA support team who spend a lot of time telling everyone what to do. In Parliament the favourite catchcry is GET OUT OF THE WAY. The Abbott dictatorship is really on a roll with this latest Knights and Dames shit coming out of the blue – no consultation with anyone, not even his caucus.

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        • Don’t worry about it. She’ll be right.

          I just watched a bit of Parliament.

          Burke by name and Burke by nature. …And I must say that I’m disappointed. I did see him as a potential leader, however on today’s showing, I’d rather vote for the bubonic plague, if I were a unionist.

          He seems a bright man. His undoing must have been a stint with The Shop, Distributive and Allied Employees’ Association.

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  5. algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

    Looks line we’ve got another troll algernon at the dumb. Bit of a redneck as well.

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    • helvityni's avatar helvityni said:

      On which blog, alge?

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      • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

        The Andrew Leigh blog, Helvi. It’s the Algernon with the little a.

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        • helvityni's avatar helvityni said:

          I just saw it, a real hater. I saw quite of a few of yours, I don’t even read the hate mail by the usual suspects any more. I say my bit and leave…all the nasties seem to flock to any asylum seeker blog.

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        • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

          I’ve tried to post a comment against it, moderated out. Alerted the moderator though, pointing out that the comments and the name contravene their own rules as well as terms an conditions. I’l just have keep prodding the moderator to stop them. Took a few attempts last time.

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        • sea monster's avatar sea monster said:

          You’re on top of it then? I was going to alert you (and ask if it was actually you being sarcastic).

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        • sea monster's avatar sea monster said:

          There’s a little a Algernon at the Tania Hird article too.

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        • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

          Thanks SM caught up with that at Lunch time.on the Hird article after your post here. It will take a week or two of alerting then they’ll get stopped, well that’s what happened last time. You’d have to admit they’re not the words I’d use (the first one not the Hird)

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        • sea monster's avatar sea monster said:

          Not your ideas. Not your writing style.

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  6. hph:
    20 Mar 2014 6:27:17pm

    Cycling is fun:

    1. You have to keep pumping if you want to get anywhere.
    2. It’s best to wear protective head-gear when going into unfamiliar territory.
    3. You can do it with no hands, but it’s best not to try it until you have a lot of experience.
    4. It’s easier to learn with the help of someone who has a lot of experience.
    5. You can do it by yourself, but it’s usually not as much fun.
    6. It’s usually hard to control your speed the first few times you try.
    7. It’s best to have a soft place to land.
    8. You don’t need any special clothing, but you can get some if you are really into it.
    9. If you’re with someone who is having trouble keeping up, it’s usually best to slow down and wait for them.
    10. Most people think it looks easy until they try it for the first time.
    11. Once you learn, you never forget how.
    12. If you fall off get right back on.
    13. If you get a flat, try pumping it back up.
    14. Remember to signal before you change direction.
    15. Make sure that you’ve got a firm grip.
    16. Sometimes it’s nice to have a cushy seat.
    17. Once you’re over the top, you can just coast the rest of the way.
    18. That’s why some of them are called Mountin’ Bikes.

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    stephen:
    20 Mar 2014 7:11:44pm

    No. 3.
    Someone told me once that Phil Anderson, our great racing cyclist from 20 years ago, could ride around corners, any corner at will and at speed, with no hands … a bit like a good stockman can do with a good horse.

    PS Horses, I know can leave a good trail ; when Phil was racing, his followers relied on it to get home.

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    Bill or Gerard,
    Now that he brought a horse into the discussion, would you like to reply to Stephen at Doug Hendrie’s page? I don’t think he understands what my message is about. 🙂

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  7. vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

    I’ve put a comment similar to this one today on a previous occasion. Last time no one came back to dispute me and so far today it sits unanswered. These are the facts, the awful facts.
    Stuffed Olive:

    20 Mar 2014 1:36:39pm

    What about the 746 deaths between 2000 and 2007 under the Howard Government. The deaths at sea under Labor were 877. Neither government was directly responsible for those tragedies until the selective memories (and false figures) of the Libs kicked into overtime. Most good people can see a whole lot of difference when it comes to an asylum seeker being murdered while apparently in our care.

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    • Yes, Viv, the Lib’s estimates have gone from the numbers you quoted (best estimates, I believe) to 0 under Howard, vs 1000, 1100, 1200…under labor.

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    • Both parties are guilty of treating refugees inhumanely. The ends never justify the means. You cannot treat people that have done no wrong badly in forcing other to behave differently.
      The only people that have it right are the greens. The damage to Australia’s standing overseas is huge.

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      • ” The damage to Australia’s standing overseas is huge.”

        No it isn’t. it’s never mentioned. that’s not to say that it’s right; just that you are wrong.
        http://www.onlinenewspapers.com/

        The world is occupied by Russia’s invasion, China’s economy, The malaysian airlepalne tragedy, The Syrian chemical warfare, America’s recovery :http://www.bbc.com/news/business-26660342 ……………..and myriad other matters. There is no talk of Manus Island – although there are ‘two’ enquiries going on now. One Australian and one PNG.

        If only one could turn the clock back to 2007, when the Kamps were closed sigh.

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        • I’ll just add to this ,before I take off for my daily constitutional.

          I have a friend of 35 years (Scottish), who is going to stand as a Labour MP, in the south of England; I have friends that I Skype with in California (who are academics); I have family (on both sides) (my sister in law has just retired as an education minster in Canada and another teaches applied mathematics in a University near Brighton); family in France; friends in Spain and Portugal.

          I just canvassed some of them. They are all descent hard working caring family people.

          None of them had ever heard of Manus Island. They didn’t know whether it was a resort, or an Island off the coast of another country.

          It was an interesting exercise, because it reminds me of how people try to twist things and influence people with marches and placards – which I’m not against BTW, having done it myself in the old, Ban-the-Bomb days.

          Yes, very revelatory, indeed.

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        • sea monster's avatar sea monster said:

          Well I’d agree that no one OS gives a stuff. They’re all too busy with their own news.

          I’d suggest additionally they’re busily treating refugees in much the same way. Northern Europe is trying to keep them in Southern Europe. Southern Europe is trying to keep them wherever the hell they came from.

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        • Well the Manus Island death was reported in Le Figaro in an article entitled “Contre l’afflux de clandestins, l’Australie muscle sa politique”. Roughly: “Against the flood of illegal immigrants – Australia toughens its policy”.

          In Australian news for the same month the rugby got several mentions, as did the Australian Open, the Grand Prix even more, soccer, the cancellation of the Rolling Stones concert a couple, various pieces of financial news (such as Toyota closing) and a giant jellyfish that washed up on a beach.

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        • Sea Monster's avatar Sea Monster said:

          http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/american-news-networks-screw-up-their-geography-and-call-tony-abbott-prime-minister-john-abbot/story-fnizu68q-1226861047746

          I submit this for contemplation. They’re only interesting for the sensational and even then they can’t get the facts right.

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        • Yeah, and how do the Australian news know what Fox News is reporting – because they watch it to copy it! 24 hour news. Brrrrrrrrr.

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        • Generally, throughout the world, there is ignorance about Australia; its ideals and function.

          it is seen as a mine, and a country full of people putting shrimps on barbies.

          99% of the population outside of Australia, have no idea about the geography, its politics or laws. They couldn’t even name the Capital.

          Additionally humans(the general populace) have so many local problems they couldn’t care less what anyone else is doing.

          Can anyone name Russia’s prisons, Portugal’s population, or Chile’s GDP? Without Googling, of course 😉

          Of course not!

          Any contention that “The damage to Australia’s standing overseas is huge”, Is just silly, spurious nonsense.

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        • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

          They got Malcolm Fraser’s name wrong too. Called him by his middle name, John too I think. Maybe they just think all Aussie PMs are called John. Gord/Gawd knows.

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        • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

          The Yanks can call him what they like, Adoft, Kurt why not Bruce.

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        • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

          I have friends in America who emailed asking WTF is going on with your government.

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        • No you haven’t.

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        • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

          I very much do Jules and they are as real as your friends (you’d never lie about friends would you). I’ve known this couple since 1970. They do live in the somewhat more enlightened State of California.

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  8. Hung One On's avatar Hung One On said:

    Who is Ben the Lawyer sleeping with at the ABC?

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    • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

      Andie or Custard or maybe Alfie, Hung.

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    • sea monster's avatar sea monster said:

      If he really is a lawyer he probably knows how to walk the line regarding abuse and/or defamation.

      He pisses me off in his delusion that the parliamentary Labor party is a socialist party with socialist policies. This hasn’t been the case in 40 years. An aphorism that I apply to him: Accusations of bias are admissions of bias.

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    • Today he’s gone all anti women’s reproductive rights, wanting to save every embryo.

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      • Not sure how an article on abortion can generate so much talk about men’s rights. Most of these blokes should exercise the right to keep their cocks in their pants.

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  9. vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

    I hope they start paying the mods to work a proper day this coming week. And that they don’t put a flurry of articles up on Friday afternoon when comment is so limited. I suppose there will be analysis of the state elections.

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  10. vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

    To Big M – certain person doesn’t have the dexterity required to do the job.

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    • It’s not THAT difficult!

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      • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

        After 40 years there are some things that aren’t going to improve. It was tried once and it was a mess. I’m on to my fourth power gadget. Used to use scissors !

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        • I got sick of going to the barber. Bought some, reasonably good clippers, so now, once a week, trim beard back to almost nothing, then number three comb over the noggin. Mrs M hates it, ‘you look like a criminal’.

          At least I don’t look like a silly old bugger trying the comb over!

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        • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

          I am also my own hairdresser (since I was 14 with the exception of a couple of years when I spoilt myself but then that good cutter went overseas). I do one daughter’s hair too – she gets lots of compliments and they ask who her hairdresser is. I’m very exclusive!

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        • At least some of us aren’t wasting money!

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        • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

          When I say hairdresser – I cut and style. I spend what I save on oysters and prawns. Daughter is just grateful to get a proper cut instead of paying $80 plus for a cut which doesn’t rate. My father always cut his own hair too – coincidence mostly. I used to cut second daughter’s hair until she was 18. She has a friend who is a professional hairdresser and she does it for her at a very friendly rate including some highlights.

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        • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

          PS – Big M – I am sure you look great. A bit short and spiky often makes you look younger, fresh and clean. Most criminals (not the corporate kind) usually have pretty crap hair stuffed under a beanie.

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        • Hung One On's avatar Hung One On said:

          If Mrs M says you look like a criminal it is probably an improvement for a purse carrying nancy boy

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        • Yes, Viv, feminism hasn’t managed to do anything about female hairdresser pricing…up to $300 for the apprentice to muck your hair up. No wonder you can afford oysters!

          Hung, there’s nothing worse than looking like an OLD purse carrying, Nancy boy!

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        • Hung One On's avatar Hung One On said:

          What’s this old business?

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        • Sorry Nancy.

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    • testing

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  11. The DRUM:

    Algernon:

    07 Mar 2014 2:31:14pm

    So what do you propose to do with the other 2 billion WS.
    ………………………..

    I thought that I would answer you here, in case you thought that I was thinking of putting poison in the oceans.

    There won’t be any management at the moment. We are all too sensitive and cannot do what ancient races, or animals naturally do. However I believe that in years to come there will be some sort of control, that will lead to a sort of natural balance. No one will be exterminate – we just won’t replace as many.

    Of course contraception has only been with us for a couple of hundred years, so as more research is done, there may be sensible ways to produce enough humans to consume what we have, without rapaciously gobbling everything and chopping down evry fuken tree.

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  12. Cop this one from the ABC Drum on Jonathan Greens piece. I feel rather proud today!

    gerard oosterman:

    06 Mar 2014 6:30:39pm

    The liberal party in Australia is somewhat similar to the republican party in the US except here they are permanently fixated on brutalising the country mainly on their stance on boat people and the environment. This liberal government is hell bent on taking us back to the days of raglan sleeved men in souteneur sandals and beehive coiffured women in the ladies parlour. The Liberals, they love cutting trees and praise belching captains of industries including very large bodied mining magnates.
    Your best shot is to root for the Greens and Labor party and piss generously on the Liberals.
    Sorry to be a bit vocal here but what they( liberals) have done under this dreadful Prime minister ?Tony Abbott? to this society, dragging it down to a level of psychopathy never seen before needs a good dousing of a community initiated mass piss in.
    It will happen! We have to maintain our rage.

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  13. vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

    Mods at the Drum gone on strike again. Anyway, comments are getting more crapulous by the day.

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    • Yes, shut down early. Anyhoo, I suppose it stops us all from arguing with idiots.

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      • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

        It does. But I had posted one considered response in the morning which never got up. It was a bit strong but nothing like so many others. Two other short ones never made it though I could see that posts at around 2 pm were later put up.

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  14. Scott Ludlam – Brilliant – Thanks Gerard.

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  15. algernon:

    04 Mar 2014 10:27:44pm

    Qantas is in a hopeless position because because of poor management ,leaving passengers stranded was lust one instance of it ,yet they demand that the Australian taxpayer bail them out .Qantas is a gigantic boil on the backside of the Australian economy the sooner it is lanced the better, and the markets should be the ones to wield the blade.

    Lovely word picture, Algy!

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    • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

      Big I didn’t write that. I agree with the comments up to the instance of it, Looks like we have an imposter Algernon again. I’m all for Qantas being partly nationalised and Joyce being sack. The damage he did to the brand and those loyal to it by grounding the planes is what they pay for now. I won’t fly Virgin on ethical grounds though fly Rex to Dubbo regularly and prefer them over Qantaslink.

      Agree though it’s well written.

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  16. Come on (excuse the pun) who has been blogging at the Bum as Nocturnal. E. Mission?

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  17. Hung One On's avatar Hung One On said:

    Here is a “hook, line and sinker” moment over at the Dumb from my good mate gbe

    Bill Bored:

    27 Feb 2014 10:16:27am

    To be honest I m sick of this confected rage against the previous government for the drownings at sea. The conservative red necks that visit this site don’t want boat people here in the first place.

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    gbe:

    27 Feb 2014 10:58:29am

    Bill Bored: So sorry to hear your sick of this confected rage perhaps there are others who are sick of your constant and negative carping criticism of anything LNP.

    And I am sure there are those who would not mind if you decided not to post here.

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    Haggis:

    27 Feb 2014 11:09:07am

    Bingo.

    Got him a beauty. Come in spinner : )

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  18. Christ you’re a shit stirrer, Hung: ‘ For example, from your previous posts you do you know the difference between a week and weak? I cannot wait to hear back from you.’

    There was plenty more to follow.

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  19. Hung One On's avatar Hung One On said:

    Watch out everyone, Mark from Launceston is back.

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  20. vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

    News headline: Fire crews were hampered by exploding tins of baked beans as they worked to extinguish a large truck fire on the Hume Highway near Gunning, halfway between Yass and Goulburn.

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  21. vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

    Cassidy’s piece which was closed very very early seems to have disappeared. Not there at all.

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  22. Well I don’t know if mine was the only comment/complaint or whether they were besieged, but the Drum has edited the Liar article to spell Craig Thomson’s name correctly. It’s the ABC FFS. They should do better.

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  23. Hung One On's avatar Hung One On said:

    Anyone got any ideas about the Dumb? Lead story closed others open, strange

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    • ABC conspiracy. It stops Canberran civil servants blogging.

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      • Hung One On's avatar Hung One On said:

        I’m still Bill Bored this week. How did you go with Jonathon Green?

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        • I can’t remember now. Short term memory loss. I’d have to go back to my history files.

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        • I had a look.

          I wrote this: “Waterloo Sunset: 20 Feb 2014 6:51:07pm

          “””Thanks for the advice: it’s always welcome, however I have 8000 approx of human (modern) history, as an example to lead me to the conclusion, that my code is better that yours.

          Abooot, is mere flotsam in the whirlpools, in the gyrating kaleidoscope of progress . . And your thoughts just footling rambling; sucked away in the whirlpool.”””
          …………………

          It was in response to someone who keeps following me around changing their pseud.

          I never answer back and say that, though. It doesn’t bother me in the slightest: it’s a free forum.

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        • Of course, checking it now, I would have re-written it – with better grammar and phraseology, however, part of the fun is writing quickly (including spelling mistakes) and giving an off-the-cuff view.

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    • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

      I noticed that. Saw it up this morning when I checked at around 10 am ish. Went back later to see what gives and it’s closed. Bastards.

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