The Dump is:
For posting comments that don’t get up at the Drum, and for having a pleasant, mirthful or enlightening off-topic discussion.
It’s not for personal abuse of other commenters.
Please do that somewhere else if you must.
Play nicely or piss off.
However, why doesn’t a poster add a link for us to read and comment on here, much quicker. Maybe we can do a bit more bagging here, not that I speak for the moderators, yet.
NB: Being tiresome and boring, racist, sexist or just plain creepy is not playing nicely.
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The Pig’s Arms exists because a dozen or so years ago our other favourite playpen – the ABC’s Unleashed blogsphere started to go off. Like a sack of prawn heads in the sun. Something had to be done.
Moderation was taking forever. Comments seemed to be rejected randomly – outrageous ones appeared and reasoned ones were pinged. When they released the Drum / Unleashed ….. things actually got worse !
So many pieces from professional writers appear with no obvious merit. And the moderation has become, to put it frankly, appalling.
As a former contributor and a commenter, I was deeply disappointed at the plummeting quality from our pre-eminent media empire. And I resented so many challenging or dare I say, witty or funny posts in which we’ve invested seconds of our precious time – getting the chop.
So here, for all our benefit – is an open slather blog. Copy and paste your best rejected comments here for posterity. Does not matter whether you’re posting on the Guardian, First Dog on the Moon or wherever else.
And sprinkle pointers to the Pig’s Arms amongst your comments. Let’s try to rescue some of the old faithful.
Cheers,
Emm.
Window Dresser's Arms, Pig & Whistle 
That kraken cracks me up every time when he appears with wide open eyes looking lost in your wake:)
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More odd things at the Drum. Got two up on Green and now one has gone. It was a good one too.
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Put a short one up on Donnelly and prayer – not surprised to see it has not appeared.
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Just pray to Jesus sister and you will be healed
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It doesn’t work.
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According to Sinclair Davidson, a professor in the School of Economics, Finance and Marketing at RMIT University and a senior fellow at the Institute of Public Affairs, a University is now a Corporate Citizen!
I highly recommend this documentary film Ivory Tower for everyone to watch.
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Yes I agree BigM, “the moderation is all over the shop, with idiotic comments everywhere.”
I tried to post this to GBE (below Helvi) :
“Of course it does. Because you don’t know the difference between a Statesman and a Politician. Tony Abbott -an ordinary politician- When he made that remark he was just playing to the gallery.”
The moderator didn’t like it ! ..and a few of my comments to ANU Investment blog. Fudge!
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I did too – didn’t get up. Just can’t understand how gbe’s short and useless snipes get up. Are the mods provoking us and if so why not let our responses be published. Bloody weird.
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Another NSW Lib bites the dust, well, not exactly, he’s still on the payroll: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-15/chris-hartcher-retires-from-nsw-parliament-amid-icac/5814778
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Good riddance.
On the Drum – on the high on Monday and then Tues and Wed I’m in the sin bin again. Not that I put up much. The joint is infested with more morons than usual.
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Yes, the moderation is all over the shop, with idiotic comments everywhere. Then again, in this modern world, one doesn’t need to know anything about the subject in order to comment!
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Still can’t get a look in. Made a few more comments on the Uni investment stuff on both articles. Nothing. Yes, it is not taxpayer money. Christ those Right coal loving bastards give me the shits.
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Yes, Viv, bloody idiotic. I pt up a couple of posts, with links to shallow ocean warming, on the ANU divestment story, but they weren’t put up. hidi has no f*&^ing idea. Must listen to Bolt and Jones on the wireless for her info about climate science.
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Got two little ones up on the nasty Uni investment piece. Might be mod changeover time.
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Saw them, I don’t think they believe you!!
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Helvi and GO got a few up.
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Big M – that Hidi is out of her mind. She ought to be certified insane and barred from the Drum. She and a few others are enough to increase mental instability of all readers. Publishing lie after lie – what do the mods get paid? Not worth it 90% of the time. One good one in there somewhere.
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Courtesy of the dogwalker on the shirt front piece:A good sensible article.
We should have more sensible opinion pieces like this.
Abbott used the wrong language, but Putin does too – when it suits him. He’s probably note really aware of much about Australia, as we don’t do much internationally, apart from some military s
assistance, here and there.
Russia probably has the same awareness of Australia, as Australia does of Trinidad.
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I’ve been to Trinidad. It was very poor.
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He would fit in the police force
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He reminds me of Chrissy Pyne, you know the sort of bloke, slightly effeminate with shoulders like a milk bottle. Even the coppers won’t have him!
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Pyne is a disgrace
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When is he going to come out?
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I’m just glad he isn’t a purse carrying nancy boy like us 🙂
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Yes, he could give purse carrying Nancy boys a bad name.
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Egg zackerly, now are you like me and waiting to go to work?
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Yep, cooking up some curry for work, and to feed the third born and myself for dinner. Only doing two nights, but have foolishly offered to do a lecture on Friday morning, so thinks I may be buggered by Friday afternoon!!
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Yes.I was thinking of a bread sandwich followed by water.
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You can afford bread to put in your sandwich?
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Oh yes, Name No brand
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Don’t think its a public toilet enthusiast like the parrot thought.
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I don’t think Pine is called the ‘mincing poodle’ for nothing.
Didn’t know Hartcher orchestrated ‘igunagate’….bloody typical, though.
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Just can’t see the poodle having a taste for those of a questionable age.
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She wasn’t all that bright whatever her name was.
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Hung, sometimes I have a shit sandwich, but it’s not something I for which I volunteer.
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You know he orchestrated “The night of the Iguana’s”. They didn’t call him swamp rat for nothing
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Just asking – is there a Jerry Attrick here? Related to Hung by any chance.
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Not me Viv. I rarely go to the Drum any more and still blog as Sir Bill Bored.
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Well he liked me and I thought the name clever, like you Hung.
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I see you got some good ones in on Ian Verrender’s article and gave JohnC a what for. I agree with a lot of what Jerry has to say and his/her name is great, good phonetics.
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And then I got first up on Sexism but it arrived long after I posted it and had computer turned off at 5 pm. I got them going well and good. Must have had a sympathetic mod on Verrender – that’s a change.
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The Friday mods have it in for me. I posted one very good comment on Cassidy when there were only about 30 comments up and later another. Nothing appears and there are 159 comments now.
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Well, last short comment up has popped up 40 mins later.
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They’ve knocked out some of my best today as well. See we’ve got a bit of a tag team on one though.
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You know it is a coincidence. Still, great minds think alike.
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Doesn’t seem like much is getting through. I did reply to Algernon’s comment on Alun Jones and the London dunny incident, but, like Jones, didn’t get through!
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I made three on the parrot blog but one about his taste for youthful looking lads and public facilities got through but one had to be careful about words. On the Cassidy blog my strike rate is about 40%.
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I see this morning a response to my one successful, ultra short, comment came from Peter the Lawyer. I’m sure it was not there at knock off time (5 pm). Arguing that Unions should pay taxes. Then having a go at Greenpeace which is a ‘multinational’ !! Does the AMA pay corporate tax? Desperate twerp.
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I think of him as ‘Peter the Dick’.
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I agree Big M, for a Lawyer if he is actually a Lawyer, he has an awful lot of time on his hand. Dick is appropriate
But there were many dicks there yesterday. Realist was having a go at me about me pointing to 1/5 of Liberal pollies fronting ICAC. I pointed out the errors of his ways and suggested there were two sides of a coin. Dazza came up with this gem.
Dazza:
10 Oct 2014 6:12:03pm
“Perhaps you need to look at both sides of the coin occasionally, instead of choosing to ignore it.”
Yes, maybe Realist need’s to toss that coin a bit more instead of being a tosser?
Then Ericcame with this little piece amused me for its ignorance.
Eric:
10 Oct 2014 10:46:14am
Algernon – Given the High Court challenge I expect those laws to be thrown out and most of the NSW MP’s will be cleared.
Had a couple of goes at getting a post up to that but alt least they allowed this one.
Algernon:
10 Oct 2014 3:08:18pm
You expect do you Eric, are you a lawyer with insight or just a Liberal who thinks that the law doesn’t apply to them. We know that Liberal politician were handed brown paper bags with cash in them. We also know that invoices for work that was never done was then funnelled into accounts for dubious purposes.
But you are probably right, because they are Liberals and that Liberals are above the law then they must be cleared.
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Of course, as ever, they have one law for the Left which must always be obeyed, and another law for the Right (pollies and corporates) which is of course entirely satisfactory because they wrote it. Then when a Labor govt outlaws developer donations (a good move) well it just isn’t fair to the Right and any transgressions just don’t really count. Can’t get more hypocritical than that (well, yes they can – I know).
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Good one, Algy, yes, here in Newcastle we are just gobsmacked at the brazen attempts to manipulate Federal, state and local council. From Baldwin, a Lib who received respect from both sides of government, to McCloy, former mayor, who must have had custom made envelopes for the cash he handed out.
The only clean pollie we’ve seen in recent years was Jodie McKay, who was treated like a pariah for NOT taking bribes!
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Yes I know what you mean Big, Statewise we had John Watkins as our local member like Jodi McKay as honest a pollie as you’d meet. Had the good sense to get out with his reputation in tact. He’d have known of the filth that exists in ill gotten gains by that family starting with O. Anyhow landslide electoral victory to the tories here. Young bloke, a joke when on local council. Come this last election he holds it by 26.5% (he’ll lose most of that in March).
Anyhow its all there for everyone to see. Shonky land deals in Coxs Road. A half kilometre School zone signs in a major arterial for a school that doesn’t front that road. No other school get that treatment in the electorate. The money gouging machines dressed up as speed and safety cameras on all directions for one intersection. Fortunately should he get re-elected then I suspect he’ll have a few questions to answer over development at ICAC.
Itss not the same as the corruption in the Hunter and Central Coast, but it just demonstrates how these tories think they’re above it all.
I agree vivienne, all it demonstrates this the web of corruption that pollutes the Conservatives.
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Yes, Watkins always struck me as fairly genuine, there to serve the community. As someone said recently, Labor pollies are occasionally opportunistic, whereas the conservatives make corruption a way of life.
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My Liberal (barely nowadays probably votes Green as much as they vote Liberal) mate (we’ve known one another since about kindergarten) would agree with that sentiment Big. They’d tell me its endemic throughout the party. Some of the stories I’ve heard tell me they’re a protected species. I know of some Liberal characters who sail very close to the wind as well. It’s the brainless scum they surround themselves with.
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Post 2 or 3 earlier today. I’m in the sin bin again it seems. Sensible and relevant stuff not good enough.
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Same here vivienne, got a few up on one of yesterdays but none today. Haven’t bothered since
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Gives me the poo bums! Made a rich dark fruit cake instead.
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Not having a good run today. Think I’ll head off to a Thai banquet with Mrs A for lunch
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So many comments don’t get through, yet the online moniker: ‘glistening beaver’ did. The current mods have no idea.
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Oh Tasmania, Big M they aren’t that bright are they.
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Nearly getting a good tag team going Algy.
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It’s like shooting fish in a barrel, refuting the comments of knuckle-draggers.
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Most of them sharp as bowling balls
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Its working well vivienne. There really are some morons there today.
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Morons there every day Algy. Sorry to have to correct you.
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Waiting for some sycophantry from the dog walker…he loooves Julie Bishop.
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I know I know, I just thought for one day they might just grow up a bit and grow a brain. Dog walker has been noticeably absent today.
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I can’t get a look in on Kate Torney’s piece which seems very odd.
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I think I’ve been tossed out of the ring. Can’t get back in !
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Ditto for me, after only two comments. gbe must be a complete airhead. Algernon’s comment about Mal Frazer got through, mine didn’t.
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vivienne got one up on Mungo’s mine didn’t get up though. Probably a 75% strike rate today for me.
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Yes, I see two on Paula’s article turned up this morning – weren’t there went I turned off at 4.50 pm, ditto one on Mungo. They came up hours later.
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I notice the village donkeys came out overnight as well including the dog walker. As usual didn’t understand the argument then thought to throw a few stupid lines.
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Yes, many trickled through overnight.
Not sure how they can argue about the ABC’s ‘left bias’ when the ABC is publishing articles by people like Paula and Malcolm Turnbull??
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They just don’t see it so Big. There was this pearl from a John Dawson. I tried posting a reply twice but to no avail.. I’m at a loss how this clown can make such assumption. I mean scandal free. How may PMs have actually been charged with Sexual Assault and assault only to see the charges dropped. The other thing is to twist what has been said again like this clown.
John Dawson:
06 Oct 2014 8:00:43pm
If you start from the preposterous proposition that a decent scandal-free family man with three career-girl daughters and a beloved lesbian sister and an assertive female chief-of-staff and a female deputy is a woman hating sexist misogynist, then it is no wonder that you look around at the rest of the male population and start to imagine that the male world is against you. But the reality is that the fulcrum of anti female prejudice is in the imaginative minds of left wing chatterers.
As always, the anti Abbott spite on display here is 100% prejudice and 0% fact. Abbott did not call Gillard anyone’s bitch or suggest she should inhabit any chaff bag. He got caught on camera in front of a disgraceful sign once, and that’s it as far as anything remotely sexist or disrespectful is concerned. He said Gillard’s government should die of shame, which it should have, he did not say her father would have died in shame, his entirely complementary, genuine and moving comments when her father died are on record.
Abbott may be honestly criticised for any number of things but the continuous attacks on his character and decency cannot be honest, because they never have any foundation in fact. They typically misrepresent his attacks on his opponents performance (which is his job) or unfairly attribute disrespectful comments made by others to him (e.g. Algernon) or ridiculously read malice into just about anything he does (a wink, a pause, a walk, a syllable, or imagined comments he might have made when no one could hear!?!).
No ABC mob – Gillard was not treated that way. She was given free reign to ply preposterous slander, such as her eagerly applauded misogyny attack in defence of her Slippery Pete Speaker, while being given kid glove treatment, until so many blunders piled up that you couldn’t help but bump into one or two of the bigger ones from time to time.
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This reads like comedy gold, pure Liberal/TA sycophantry.
Perhaps he didn’t watch the news, or read any press articles during the previous two governments??
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I was particularly taken by the emotive language at the beginning, dog walker has used very similar words before as well.
You’re right these sycophants must have been living in a bubble between 2007-13, It either didn’t happen or we’ve somehow got the context wrong.
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Algernon, you have even been over to the AFL story (f^%$ed if I know what the article is about, as it’s poorly written) and upset the AFL sycophants!
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BTW Ws had a conflict with VoR and came off second best by a bloody long way!!
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Indeed I have Big. The AFL stories seem to be all the same and this one was no different. I use that line on those stories all the time, more to bate those who comment about the sport. The other one I use is about the banjo playing in their club songs. Honestly they take their sport (read AFL) too seriously as I’m sure Vivienne will tell you.
Of course someone came back about the Boys in the NT not liking the comment. Outside Darwin how many people actually live there?
Where did VoR diss the dog walker, have to see that.
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Found it. Gee he’s a goose, she gave him what for. Vor made reasoned comments he of course was up to his neck in party sycophancy.
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Well I’ve been in town on many errands and have missed the latest. I saw that essay by Dawson and left it alone. The man is another nutcase. Reckons there is a huge distinction between Abbott’s own actual words and those of shock jocks and signs he happens to stand in front of. What happened to Gillard was apparently all sweetness and light. I’ve said it before of course, but lying just remains in their DNA these days. The quality of Abbott supporters couldn’t get any lower. Brainless, nasty, stupid, vile – the whole lot of them.
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Yes, standing under a sign which states ‘ditch the witch’, in front of a bunch of jockjock driven morons isn’t the same as saying ‘ditch the witch’.
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Only you NRL fans will have the knowledge to make comment
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“I am even more bemused by AFL. It looks a bit like rugby league, except with blokes running up each other’s backs.” Pure gold Big M.
I love the excuse about well they didn’t see the placard. A few years back, windbag Joe and Malcolm Turnbull visited the shopping centre near were I was working. I counted no less than 30 men in black and associated minders and they were in opposition. I don’t buy for a moment that they didn’t know about the placards, in fact I wouldn’t be surprised if they orchestrated the whole shebang.
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Thanks, Algy, I don’t understand why those AFL articles are published at the ABC. I don’t understand any of them. There’s usually plenty of unintelligible comments from AFL die hards, but, FFS, if they were born in Canada, say, we would be following ice hockey!
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Just like NRL shit
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And on Ice hockey, I doubt you have the intelligence to follow the rules. 🙂
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Well HOO I see your fired up after all those oysters then ;-p
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I will write a story about my adventure
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:-p
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No HOO, there aren’t any stories written about NRL, as it’s difficult for fans to drag their knuckles orff the floor and hold a crayon.
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I grew up on league, I no longer recognise the game.
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Yes, perhaps we need more ice hockey. Given that antarctic ice is melting, then refreezing as sea ice, we’ll be able to play at Bondi soon ( a fact that deniers can’t comprehend).
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Netball is better than all of them.
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I don’t watch any sport, except for the occasional netball!
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I’m off to bed after a hard night of pretending to be busy.
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I agree with vivienne, Its the sport I watch the most of given the Algernonia’s play it.
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We have good taste. But I do enjoy watching the finals of the various footy games. I think Rugby Union is better than League but as League has all the money it gets the most of everything (fans, tv viewers and massive injuries). Soccer, that other football, bores me so only take a little interest every four years.
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Well at least we have cricket HOO.
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I’ve worked it out. All the mods are from NSW where it is a public holiday. They must have found some poor sods to do a bit of work and now all knocked off as nothing happening.
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Okay. I give up. I’m struggling to understand this concept, although I did a bit of googling and reading on the net.
“As Chicago University economist James Heckman puts it, choosing the “wrong” parents is “the biggest market failure of all”.”
Who is doing the choosing of the wrong parents ?
The children? The baby ?
How can this happen biologically ?
Please help. Anybody.
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Wrong choice of word wasn’t it. Heckman is a dill.
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That’s what I thought.
Another example that Andrew Leigh used in his article is also weird… “Father-son elasticity”. I couldn’t understand Andrew’s logical connection between “the intergenerational elasticity of height” AND “intergenerational income elasticity” (earnings are not strongly transmitted from fathers to sons.) !!!!
I think he is mixing apples and oranges.
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I didn’t follow Leigh’s piece. I think he is quoting/using the new terminology from articles on the subject. People invent or use a word to describe something and it becomes the standard. I’m not sure I would have chosen ‘elastic’ as the base word. It’s all a bit too heavy for me.
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I see the mods are being kind this morning, only one not posted so far.
I also see the village idiots are out in force this morning. Just waiting for a few of the usual suspects to get out of bed.
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Really couldn’t be bothered today. Just sent one reply to Realist. Been out most of the day. Fighting battles on our local paper – huge smear campaign against Cathy McGowan.
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Where might that be coming from Vivienne, surely not the lovely Sophie perchance.
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The Liberal Party lodged a complaint with the AEC and leaked the details to The Australian. It claims young people changed their address to Indi just to vote for Cathy. It’s all smear but locals have jumped on to the comments and they’re vile. The Border Mail has covered it. Many comments threads, here is one of them http://www.bordermail.com.au/story/2601442/now-the-afp-will-address-indi/?cs=53
We’ve had over a week of this. The rigged AEC have referred it to the Fed Police. This of course is a year after the election and everyone knew Cathy’s team because there were plenty of photos in the paper and names mentioned.
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Nice to see you wading in there vivienne, She won the seat by 439 votes yet they talk abut 27 votes. It won’t change the result. This tory scum, they lurch further an further to the right. The people of Indi did the country a service last year.
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This was one of the most closely scrutinised seats, at that election.
If it looks like a smear campaign, smells like a smear campaign, and tastes like a smear campaign (to paraphrase Cheech and Chong) it probably is.
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The local Libs in Indi responding to this number about 12 people as far as I can tell. It’s the usual gross exaggerations and then making stuff up and calling for Cathy to resign. They keep trying to make out it is an AEC investigation and so it is so bloody serious. It was started by the Liberals. Anyone can do this sort of shit but only the Liberals do it. Assassinate by innuendo and then some. I got one of my comments published in the hard copy of the paper yesterday. The mayor of Indigo shire invited effing Mirabella to a road funding announcement and gave her all the credit. Sussan Ley there too making the announcement (a million and a bit for a minor dirt road). Cathy was not invited.
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One of the articles in the paper covering this got 82 comments. Unheard of number. Of late every time Cathy gets her photo in the paper or gets some coverage for her good works amongst the community there is a flurry of comments rubbishing her and calling her ‘this woman’. It’s been stepped up over the last couple of months. The paper has also been badgered about reporting Cathy’s stuff. With the Victorian election coming up soon there is a lot more politics going on locally. They’re trying to smear the Labor state candidate with some of this shit too. People have been named, so the Liberal dossier is in local Libs’ hands – no else one can access it.
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How would this play out for the LNP, if the smear led to a fresh election do the LNP seriously think it would win the bi election. I think McGowan would be returned with an increased majority. It is abundantly clear to anyone in this country that Mirrabella was nothing more than a bum on a seat. The special quality that she had compared to all the other shiny bums was that she was nasty.
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It can’t lead to a fresh election. Cathy is just riding it out. The worst that can happen is this smear campaign – throw mud and hope some sticks. Cathy is the cleanest and most honest candidate in the country’s history. She never says anything off about Sophie. I wrote a letter during the campaign which they would not approve because I mentioned Sophie’s name in it. A number of the students helping came here for months before and after the election. They did change their enrolment so they could vote in Indi. It was perfectly legal. Those students were all what Cathy called ex-pats – all grew up here and have family here. They could have kept Indi as their voting base but obviously no one foretold Cathy standing for election. So they rallied. Actually the whole thing is like smearing Jesus Christ – it worked 2000 years ago but it shouldn’t today !!!
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The ones I couldn’t post this morning at ‘Blame ABC..’
To C Ash below Gerard —-
“In the middle of a so-called “debt crisis”, Abbott and Morrison’s detention regime is the fastest growing area of government spending. Costs have gone from $118.4 million in 2009–10 to $3.6 billion in 2013–14. The skyrocketing cost is not from an increase in refugees, but from an increase in cruelty.
Australia’s offshore detention centres are run by global firms. Guess what -most of the cash goes into the pockets of Prison Companies and officials on those islands.”
To Ravensclaw below Helvi —-
-The wealthy already pay more tax-
According to their **declared** income.
When the ABS ranks households by their incomes, the 20% with the lowest incomes have an average net worth of around $437,000, while the 20% with the highest incomes have about $1.3 million in net worth. This means that the poorest one-fifth of households, measured by income, hold 12% of net wealth, while the richest one-fifth hold 36%, a ratio of about 3 to 1.
For the wealthiest in Australia there are many structures to pay less tax than the average worker. And what about multinational companies ripping off Australia? Particularly those who are digging holes?
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You will baffle them with facts, figures, numbers, and analyses. Too much for their tiny little minds.
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It is so frustrating sometimes, Big M.
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They usually ignore the facts. Facts in the article or facts in comments. Or they might argue with some total load of codswallop ever thought up. The mind of a Lib/Abbott lover is a very mysterious thing – I wonder how they function at all with minds like that !
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I posted 6-7 comments & replies ** in defence of ABC ** to Turnbull’s blog, not even one got thru !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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My comment re: the irony of commenting about a ‘left leaning ABC’ on an article by the Liberal Telecommunications Minister published by the ABC was quashed.
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I got a few up defending the ABC. BTW – if only it was left leaning !
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I write about 5 responses for every one they put up. I suspect they just willy dilly act and chose the ones they publish by a blindfolded dog pissing on some of the letters pinned to a dead fish. There is no logic to it.
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Exactly Gerard. They rarely actually moderate. It’s like a lucky dip.
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Dog walkers make unsavoury comments on a the Refugee plan an affront to the rule of law blog “When will we wake up to the fact that we’re full up?” Bet its got a sticker on the back of its cars stating “Fuck Off where full” as well.
I’ve replied “Well places like the Gold Coast might be. Full of economic refugees from Thatchers Britain I suspect.” Somehow the mods will probably take a dim view off that one.
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Only posted about 4 comments this week and none got up. Seems I’m back in the sin bin. Not Right enough !
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Just relogging in.
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This is strange Vivienne! On one article all of my posts go up. On another, not one post goes up!!!
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I have the same problem at times
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PS – dog walker continues to prove what a bastard he is. No room for refugees but still we take 160,000 or whatever regular migrants. What a useless nasty poo bum piece he remains.
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It’s English is best when it wants to be and redneck at some other times.
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Full of rude, ill considered, grammatically incorrect comments.
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Psychopaths cannot be understood in terms of antisocial rearing or development. They are simply morally depraved individuals who represent the “monsters” in our society. They are unstoppable and untreatable predators whose violence is planned, purposeful and emotionless.
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ABC moderators didn’t allow me to post this comment 🙂
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I think V hit the nail on the head: “balance over truth.”
I think some ABC staff (Drum-moderators included) are afraid that they may lose their jobs if they don’t “balance” the scale of Left-Right opinion on the comments section.
My reply to CraigOfBathurst this morning went into the wastebasket:
“A book written by Nathan Lean, ‘The Islamophobia Industry: How the Right Manufactures Fear of Muslims’, is a compact and punchy look at this industry stretching across continents that has sowed hatred of Muslims into the fabric of Western society. If you want to understand the genesis of the right’s toxic Islamophobia and how it has spread, pick up Lean’s book. You won’t regret it.”
Yet, Veganpuncher’s reply to JackMeadows’ question, ‘Is OIL more important than lives?’:
“Yes. Yes it is. Oil is non-renewable, humans are eminently renewable. Just imagine for a second what would happen if the Straights of Hormuz were blocked for a month. …”
…is there for all to see.
VeganP’s life style is more important than Human lives !!! – A true sociopath –
Well done ABC !
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Colmery:
09 Sep 2014 10:21:37am
“Don’t challenge Chris Berg. Challenge the ABC to get writers with more facility to argue with cogent argument and facts and less ideologically.
How about a regular item from NewDemocracy. There is more to the world than a left-right schism and IPA have had the privilege of a regular spot for a long long time. It’s also about time we thought deeply about our system – it is after all the competition for power that the IPAs and left equivalents are seeking to influence – lets hear from the rules committee.”
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v:
09 Sep 2014 1:05:50pm
“Colmery,
“Don’t challenge Chris Berg. Challenge the ABC to get writers with more facility to argue with cogent argument and facts and less ideologically.”
I am afraid that we have to put up with pointless articles from deluded ultra-right ideologues as a result of the stupid idea (enforced by JW Howard) that broadcasting and publishing activities of the ABC should favour “balance” over quality of journalism, truth, accuracy or any other consideration. As a result, the considered and well-researched reporting of scientific fact by highly qualified scientists has to be “balanced” by a barrage of anti-scientific propaganda from corporations with a vested interest in the status quo. One wonders how long it will be before Mr Abbott insists that health warnings on the dangers of tobacco be “balanced” by “positive messages” from faux-medical experts about the benefits of filling your lungs with toxic tar.
The privileged access to these pages granted to the IPA is simply a result of this obsession with balance over truth. Sensible articles by well qualified, intelligent individuals must be balanced by right-wing tripe from corporate wormtongues like Mr Berg.
It’s what you call “political correctness” gone mad.
PS – at your suggestion I had a look at the “NewDemocracy” web site. Very disappointing. Virtually no detail of what they want or how they intend to achieve it. Just a lot of idle speculation. I am sure that the ABC could do much better.”
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Tony Abbott’s scaremongering is dividing Australian society… where is the political opposition,? Where is the leader of the opposition & ALP to condemn Abbott’s policies ?
I’m sorry to say this but Bill Shorten turned out to be a very weak leader. I am immensely disappointed.
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Bill’s Short on responses…oh, go on, someone had to say it.
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He could be long with other things
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Probably not politics.
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Dunno about that he runs rings around Adolf Turd on domestic issues.That wouldn’t hard given the amount of free kicks the LNP gives. Best he not use those cliches of his and speak plainly. Mind you I think Albo makes a better leader.
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Agreed, but it’s not hard to be better than ‘dolf. Albo, I think, is a statesman, whereas Bill is just another pollie.
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I concur, Big M
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I like that Big M
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I agree Algernon. I should have agreed with Vivienne, too, back then when she suggested Albo was a better choice. Oh well that’s life !
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Well that’s how the process works for better or worse nowadays. What has me is the country doesn’t trust Adolf on anything. Now buffoon like he marches off to war for nothing other than political purpose and the Mullock toilet paper sees it as an opportunity to give him some creditability and assumes where all behind him. This weeks polls were interesting. both taken over the two previous weeks. Morgan shows a 0.5% swing away from the LNP suggesting the strategy isn’t working a 54.5 to 45.5 to Labor. The breakdown of ages must frightening with 7 out of 10 supporting Labor. In fact the only demographic where the LNP is ahead is the over 65. It’s serious train wreck territory for th LNP should it hold up.
The Mullock Newspoll shows a 2% swing to the LNP with them behind 49-51. Given there’s probably a 4% bias in that it would then bring it in line with the other polls.
Would you trust Adolf, perhaps Shorten is playing a smart political game here by keeping ones enemy close in a time of battle. It would be a fight he wouldn’t win in the current news climate.
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Yes Algy. I think Shorten has decided arguing against all this overblown provocative national security and war stuff because he doesn’t think it will do Labor any good going by the newspaper coverage of Terror. This is a pity. I still am no fan of Shorten. Labor must be kept relevant. I think everything Abbott has done is like a self fulfilling prophecy. He’s goaded the young muslim nut jobs and they’ve come to the party.
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Isn’t it interesting that Scott Morrison has been touted as the Minister for Security and Resilience. My new nickname for him is “The Pig that Speaks”.
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I’d make him Minister for Sewers, he enjoys swimming in them.
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A thought for the weekend. You know all those comments on The Drum, the ones to the Lefties which tell us how dreadful we are with our hate filled rants, saying vile things about Abbott and generally saying unspeakably bad venom filled bile? Do they think they are writing us a love letter.
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I think that vile actions by our government beget vile comments.
The way our politicians speak, and act, sets the tone for the community.
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I was talking with a long time friend and very well connected Liberal, They are all but ready to tear up their membership. Two things disgust them about the budget. The deregulation of uni fees by those who had a free one the other was the cutting of the dole to under 30’s. This conservative government lets not call the Liberals because they’re not are even turning much of the faithful.
The sad, stupid and lonely of the Liberal part are those who run around places like the drum. They’ll parrot anything they’re told to at their branch meetings, the highlight of their lives.
We have a PM who has managed to be charged with sexual assault as well as many of assault only to have the charges dropped. Why, they have a goon squad quite willing to purger themselves to defend him. I find him unfit for the position.
I noticed that the word of the week was puke. Dopey dog walkers used it as did the other parrots.
Still a landslide loss in Victoria, a possible minority Liberal government in NSW and the loss of a Premier in Queensland in the next twelve months might start to focus them a bit but I doubt it.
Vivienne they don’t get it, they aren’t bright enough to get it, Big M I could add to your comment by saying that vile actions by our government beget vile comments could beget vile consequences.
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Thanks for the info and the feedback. People in this area don’t talk politics too much. At the most all we have had are a bunch of Libs saying nasty things about Cathy McGowan in the comments on the online version of our Border Mail. They’re very pathetic.
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I don’t think many do vivenne, Apart from the usual argy bargy in the local paper, most are guarded. On of my bus buddies pointed out the father of the deputy Premiers daughter on the bus recently. They wouldn’t tell you which way they leaned but I’d be confident to say small L Liberal, I told them of the story of Gladys making some transport announcement outside work complete with cameras. The bloke I sit next to at work is a member of the Labor party, was asked where to get a bus to somewhere by a tourist. Quick as a flash he said Oh I’m not sure but ask her she’ll know, as he raced off to get a coffee. You can imagine what happened next. The bus buddy thought that hilarious.
I find the local press tends to brown nose the tories. Skate around the corruption, Take the nice pictures of them turning up to events but fail to look at what everybody knows.
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The last time a long term liberal friend was trumpeting the values of liberal leadership was during the run up to Howard becoming PM, great economist, great treasurer, willl stimulate business, blah, blah. Not long after he was calling him an incompetent, war mongerer! I think the current bloke is cast in the same mould, but was given nasty lessons.
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My Liberal friend thinks Adolf’s about as Liberal as his morning issue. Certainly not cut from the same cloth as Menzies and Frazer, heck even the little beige coloured statesman was closer to those two.
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Gawd the Drum is getting worse with the crapulous comments. A few new members or replacements for the usual rot crowd of crowing Libs.
Are we all suitably alert and alarmed?
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Don’t they love a good war vivienne, Common sense gone out the window. Even Cassidy had belted his head against a wall too often in praising up that vomitous little man Morrison.
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It’s worst today Algy. See you having a jolly good go. All those loving this war stuff never fought in one I bet. It’s more than sick. Bloody nutty dog walker from Qld yapping away again – madder than ever.
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Some serious delusion there from him vivienne. The war mongers are just giving me the shits. Somehow they equate that to being some sort of revival in their great leader. I’m enjoying the discussion. Got first appearance on the Blaxland blog, Gez on the pokies as well in fact the first three were Gaz, Helvi and Lehan..
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Yes, a fair day’s work for the drinkers at the Pig’s Arms. I’m on nights, so half a day behind.
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A fair outing for the Main Bar, over at the Drum. Sir Bill Bored, ‘Canadia’. Laughed ’til I cried.
SO took a few wickets, too.
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Thanks Big. SO has been her usual brilliant best but what really concerns me is the lack of intelligence being displayed by Abbott. He truly is a dill and yes we all have political allegiances but bring back Julia Gillard any time.
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Ta Hung. Some good ones never made it. Algy getting some in too.
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Sir Bill Bored:
11 Sep 2014 12:00:13pm
Get rid of union corruption for sure but lets get rid of corrupt corporations, corrupt cops, corrupt local government, corrupt public servants, corrupt banking practices etc etc. Why just target one group and let the others run free?
Good one Hung!
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Very nice HOO, noticed the usual tory nongs throthing at the mouth with that.
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Viv had a fair crack at them, too, as well as the Oosterfolk.
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Yes a day ouf for the PA folk. I noticed gbe making a complete dick of themselves
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I try ! Had modest success. Half got up.
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Thank you kind Sirs. Yes I admit I hate it when a poster thinks that corruption only exists on one side of politics when it clearly isn’t. And yes the Pigs Arms crew did have a jolly good day out.
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I had two comments up on the climate change one today. Just discovered one is gone. I was excellent regarding the person to whom I was addressing (expressing concern for his health). Last week I objected to some f-wit referring to Lambie as ‘trailer trash’ and it remained up. The mods really are bastards.
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Yes, the moderators are slow and completely inconsistent, take umbrage at one poster, not at another, yep, bastardry.
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Yeh…but … I got pulled down, was up all morning and then gone. I have a lot of shit garbage thrown at me but I don’t complain to the mods. Some people are piss poor. I forget who I had a go at but knowing me (!) they deserved it for the tripe they wrote.
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One of the Lawyers perhaps, you know so busy they have time to write reams. gbe heas been making a complete dick of themselves
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I don’t think it was otherwise I would remember.
About to have our delayed Father’s Day family get together. Have just peeled 40 prawns. Daughters bringing a pulled pork dish with lots of accompaniments.
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Is the Pub closed?
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Drinks are on you Viv
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I’ve taken to drinking at home.
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Just busy at the moment vivienne. Youngest finishes school next week may ease up a bit after that.
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Merv and Granny are spring cleaning.
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Anyone looked at the comments on ABC PM Abbott marks one year in office. Claudius thingy, gbe and hidi are working the weekend roster for the Libs. Absolutely remarkable number of comments up, usually trying to rubbish others who don’t think much of the lying Abbott scumbag’s ‘achievements’.
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You really MUST read this : http://theaimn.com/new-src-groan-ups-charge/#comment-125377
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Very funny, and so true!
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