The Dump is:
For posting comments that don’t get up at the Drum, and for having a pleasant, mirthful or enlightening off-topic discussion.
It’s not for personal abuse of other commenters.
Please do that somewhere else if you must.
Play nicely or piss off.
However, why doesn’t a poster add a link for us to read and comment on here, much quicker. Maybe we can do a bit more bagging here, not that I speak for the moderators, yet.
NB: Being tiresome and boring, racist, sexist or just plain creepy is not playing nicely.
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The Pig’s Arms exists because a dozen or so years ago our other favourite playpen – the ABC’s Unleashed blogsphere started to go off. Like a sack of prawn heads in the sun. Something had to be done.
Moderation was taking forever. Comments seemed to be rejected randomly – outrageous ones appeared and reasoned ones were pinged. When they released the Drum / Unleashed ….. things actually got worse !
So many pieces from professional writers appear with no obvious merit. And the moderation has become, to put it frankly, appalling.
As a former contributor and a commenter, I was deeply disappointed at the plummeting quality from our pre-eminent media empire. And I resented so many challenging or dare I say, witty or funny posts in which we’ve invested seconds of our precious time – getting the chop.
So here, for all our benefit – is an open slather blog. Copy and paste your best rejected comments here for posterity. Does not matter whether you’re posting on the Guardian, First Dog on the Moon or wherever else.
And sprinkle pointers to the Pig’s Arms amongst your comments. Let’s try to rescue some of the old faithful.
Cheers,
Emm.
Window Dresser's Arms, Pig & Whistle 
Wow ! I’m shocked! They printed all my three comments at ‘Focus back on civil liberties By Gorana Grgic’
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I can’t get a look in. My fans must wonder what happened to SO.
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I’m convinced that Stuffed Olive is banned or a mod just hates the name. So posted with a different name and the comment went straight up (on Cassidy). I know the dog walker lurks here so won’t say what the name is – not yet anyway.
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Well Vivienne, as the saying goes, ‘there’s more than one way to skin a cat.’
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I did try this once before. I think the choice of name has most to do with it. Old SO did okay but this year has been effing hopeless. Things are on the up.
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Two out of three. Hooray.
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Three out of four.
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Yep, I think I know what the new ‘pen name’ is 🙂
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Most of my ‘maiden’ name. Well done.
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Article: Stripping citizenship
gbe:
04 Jun 2015 9:21:00am
I am having trouble understanding why it appears those who support the left in Australian politics are the most vocal in their condemnation of removing citizenship from those who have made very conscious decision to take up arms against Australian Soldiers.
Every Australian has a right to disagree with a government decision but to choose to take up arms to fight with your countries enemy is treason.
A century ago these people would have been shot dead.
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Of course, ABC is not going to print my comment because it is not relevant to the topic under discussion. Here it is:
Plan A: dismantle Saddam’s Iraq
Plan B: dismantle Assad’s Syria.
Plan C: build an oil pipeline from Iraq to the Mediterranean coast of Syria.
So far, the US Oil corporations are stunned because not everything is going according to the plan.
(Plan D, Libya, went very well.)
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Information please Ato – same sex marriage in ancient times. Did it happen? What was the view on same sex love and all that stuff?
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Sorry, Vivienne, just caught up with this page.
(I can’t seem to be able to get notifications whenever someone posts anything here!)
Anyhow, marriage -gay or otherwise- in ancient Greece.
Let me begin with a tiny extract from one of Aristophanes’ plays, called “Birds.”
A couple of men have had enough of Athens (too many lawyers and tax collectors and magistrates who’ll dob you in for no reason, etc, etc, etc), so they take along a whole lot of birds to show them where to build a better city, since they are birds and can see from high above…
Bushcock, Trusty and Dinkum are birds but in the play they are part of the chorus…
Bushcock:
Well, what sort of a city are you after then?
Trusty:
A city where the biggest things to worry about are of this sort: A man comes to my door, say, bright and early one morning and says to me, “By Zeus the Olympian, Trusty! I’m having a wedding feast tonight, marrying my beautiful young daughter off and I’d like to invite you over. Could you do me the honours of having a bath early this evening and coming over with your family? Do so, please or else, don’t bother coming to see me when things go downhill in my life!”
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Bushcock: Chuckles
I can see you love the hard life. And you?
Dinkum:
Ahhhh! Let’s see! The father of a beautiful, young, absolute blossom of a boy meets me in the street and that father gets angry at me and says, “what a way to treat my son, you, you… cock polisher? What sort of friend are you? You saw my darling boy as he had just come out of the wrestling ring, all sparkling, all clean and ready for it and yet you went right past him. Not even a word! No kisses, no hugs, no fondling of his balls, nothing! What sort of a family friend are you!”
( https://bacchicstage.wordpress.com/aristophanes/birds/ )
Gayness (homosexuality) was part and parcel of everyday life in all of the Greek cities. Gayness is love: be it Platonic or sexual. There is a great conversation about who should love whom, in Plato’s Symposium ( https://bacchicstage.wordpress.com/plato/platos-symposium/ ) where the word “pederast” is used. It did not mean then what it means now. Then it meant “the loved one,” or the subject of another man’s (usually older) affection. It’s a great discussion that neatly differentiates between “true love” (virtuous love) and “lust.” Love for beauty and the need for sexual gratification.
But I’ll get on with marriage.
There are three worlds within Greece when it comes to marriage itself.
That of Athens, the main, the cultural, the intellectual, the economic, the military centre of Greece, full of schools and scholarship and theatre and poetry and oratory and drinking and social interaction and Democracy, that of Sparta, the anti-intellectual, the military, the absolute central Govn’t, the anti-economic (work was done solely by the slaves, called helots), the anti-social, the unquestioned authoritarianism, the proto communist-fascist city, the anti-comfort and anti-pleasure, the anti-culinary world and anti-pampering State; and thirdly and finally, the world of the small, often isolated societies of the remote villages both, on mainland as well as on the islands.
In each of these worlds and at different times different rules applied.
Beginning with the last, the remote groups were under the sway and power of the most powerful man in that group and unless someone who disliked what he was doing and went off to, say Athens, to petition for military help to chuck that fascist out, they’d have to go along with the fascist’s rules, no matter what these are.
In some places, back then, as during the dark ages and right up till now, elsewhere in the Christian and non-christian worlds, the powerful gave themselves (in euphemistic terms) nuptial rights, in reality, the rights to rape whenever they liked.
In Sparta, there were fairly onerous laws about the responsibilities of each citizen to procreate. In fact they would organise great “fuck days” whenever the leaders decided the population was shrinking. Remember their whole economy depended upon slaves and if the Spartans diminished too much in numbers, the slaves would rebel, something which happened twice and that’s why they, the Spartans had “culling nights” where they’d ambush the poor buggers and plunge a sword through their ribs.
The laws insisted that every Spartan produced at least one new little Spartan.
Marriage -the ceremony- really didn’t mean much, since the offspring, male or female, would be taken over and raised by the state, fed in the great, gender-segregated messes but trained and exercised together… fully undressed.
Gayness was, in fact, encouraged by the State, in Sparta because, since the children are taken away from their parents at the age of seven, older men would be allocated to these kids as “mentors” and “guardians” in all things Spartan, sex being a part of that education.
It is often said by embarrassed, coy and shameless liars that sex education consisted only in that the older man would shove his dick, from behind, between the thighs of their charges and simply simulate fucking so as to show the younger man how to do the actual act with a woman and thus obey the procreation laws of the State but, during at least the last few decades, scholars admitted that something less simulating and more stimulating would take place. Gayness was certainly not frowned upon and it was totally accepted and ignored between women, since it had nothing to do with procreation.
In parenthesis here, let me remind folks that there was this marvelous, divinely inspired, I’m certain, like all marvelous poets, woman poet from Lesbos (modern day Mytilene), called Sappho who was an ardent devotee of homosexuality and is famous for her stunning poem, “Ode to Aphrodite” (https://bacchicstage.wordpress.com/lyric-poets/sappho/ )
In Athens, though at various times there were laws about the responsibility to populate the State with “dinkum Athenians” (remember we are dealing with small populations so they could easily be overtaken in number by “barbarians” (the contemporary word for foreigners) and which would create havoc when trying to decide who’s who and for whom balls toll (sorry, could resist that), in other words who would be entitled to vote, to receive pensions, be fed by State, participate in the State’s ceremonies and games, be judges, etc, etc.
Again, the marriage ceremony was no greater importance than that of the food and drink provided thereat. In the main, some token sacrifice would be made to some god, perhaps Eros or Aphrodite or Zeus or his missus Hera, a sacrifice of the animal to be eaten at the festive occasion or the burning of certain cereals, like oats or barley and the pouring of libations, usually water taken from some part of a river nearby thought to be blessed or visited by some deity.
Sparta, of course didn’t worry about money and thus not also about dowry. In Athens, however, there was a practice of dowry exchange. Daddy of the groom would give something to the bride and the daddy of the bride would usually give a cow or two, according to the dimensions of his estate. But this was not a hard and fast rule.
So, in Athens, two, homosexuality was not frowned upon since love, as they said at the symposium was love and true love was a love for the virtuous, irrespective of the gender.
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“In Athens, too…”
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Thank you Ato – what a well given lecture. You were of course a teacher and will always remain one.
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Thanks Vivienne.
It’s just a quick, cursory look at the issue, so I’ve left lots of stuff out, stuff which I thought would only make the “lecture” a bit too navigatory.
The most important point is that there was no differentiation between loves; one could be without the slightest compunction, what we today call, bisexual or trysexual, (try anything).
The method didn’t matter to anyone.
But they were either given incentives (some positive some negative) to procreate, so as to keep the citizenship (its bureaucratic bits at least) neat. Small populations and therefore small number of public servants to oversee all that.
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Thanks Ato ‘n’ Viv. I was surprised that Jensen thinks that ‘gay marriage’ has only been around for a couple of decades. A few seconds with Professor Google revealed otherwise. It was not just the Greeks and Romans, but many other ancient cultures for whom homosexual marriage was the norm.
An Indian mate remembers going to see a temple when he was a young bloke. Every sex act with every permutation of gender was commemorated in stone. His mum was very quick to drag the kids away to some other less salacious attraction!
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It was Judaism and Christianity that first came out with “dogmas.” No other religion had them. The Greco-Roman and all other religions and spiritual guides, like Confucianism, Buddhism and the like only had “teachings,” much akin to today’s suggestions by “specialists” and “experts” of one sort or another.
Dogmas were nothing short of commands, orders that had to be obeyed or your life would be crap on a cross.
Islam picked up the custom, since Islam is nothing but a copying of the holy books from the other two Abraham-loving religions with a comma and a semi colon thrown in and the story of Muhammad added into the mix and crap like Holy Trinity and resurrections taken out. The dogmas stayed and given bigger teeth.
So it was this triad of religions (in effect one with three arms) that had come out with the division of good love and bad love and good love was so circumscribed that it had become a pain doing it and bad love was everything that wasn’t between a man and a woman and it was all an abomination punishable by the worst possible punishment that a maniac could come up with.
The good, the truly free spirituality and amorous life had ended with these Middle Eastern anti-human abominations.
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Many thanks again. Confirms what I thought.
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I went to a wedding in a Catholic church once. The priest in his sermon spoke about the Greeks being a homosexual race. This dumbfounded those who attended. Perhaps the priest was a nonse.
Marriage as we observe it today is a reletively modern construct. Perhaps 2 – 3 centuries. Marriages tended to be commercial transactions between wealthy families. Most churches were ambivalent about marriage. Catholics saw marriage as a way oc making money.
Homosexuality was seen as a perculiarity I understand. Its illegality was a Victorian thing.
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That priest is a dipstick. He’s probably said it because of the centuries-old schism between Catholic Church and Greek Orthodox Church.
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It was the most absurd thing I’d ever heard.
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If anything is going to destroy the Greens it is their stance on Israel.
https://newmatilda.com/2014/07/27/greens-targeted-boos-and-shoes-angry-pro-gaza-protests
It is already infiltrated by Israeli sympathisers:
https://newmatilda.com/2014/07/27/greens-targeted-boos-and-shoes-angry-pro-gaza-protests
“Jake Schoermer, a young Green’s Candidate for the Queensland electorate of Indooroopilly in the 2015 state election, spoke at the rally.
He was not only drowned out by protestors, but had a shoe thrown at him after refusing to hand over the microphone.
Schoermer had the crowd off-side almost from the outset after noting that ‘both sides’ of the conflict should be condemned. His opening remarks drew howls of protest from the 1,000 strong crowd, and things pretty much went downhill from there.
Schoermer – who told New Matilda he’s only been on the campaign hustings for less than a year, and has never spoken at a pro-Palestinian rally – decided not to back down as the crowd grew more angry.
“I’m going to say something unpopular here,” Schoermer told the rally. And on that front, he was right.
“I’d like to note that Hamas’ actions in the recent conflict were also condemned by the UN,” Schoermer said, before being drowned out by protestors.
Undeterred, he did what some people with a microphone unfortunately do when confronted with growing dissent – he began shouting.
“But it should also be noted that I don’t believe Hamas’ actions speak for all Palestinians,” Schoermer yelled back at protestors.”
AND:
“In fact, the Greens’ appear not to have a position on Hamas. Indeed, if you search the Australian Greens website, the word ‘Hamas’ doesn’t even appear.
But it certainly is Greens’ policy to oppose the rocket fire on Israel from Gaza, a fact re-iterated this evening – albeit far more gently – by NSW Greens’ David Shoebridge and Lee Rhiannon.”
It seems that the Greens haven’t discovered that being just is always superior to being pragmatic. It is after all, if not the only reason, one of the most important ones for their increasing popularity.
It now looks like they’re abandoning that ideal and assimilating nicely with the rest of the majors, becoming yet another choice on the menu board of MacDonalds.
Shame, Greens, fucking shame!
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That Matilda piece read more like a beat up to me.
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http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/joan-kirner-what-ive-learnt-20150601-ghehm9.html
Vale Joan Kirner!
A glowing example of a humanitarian, the rarest of species in a politician!
Followed by the most glowing example of the most brutal barbarian, the commonest species in a politician.
The one brought hope, the other brought misery.
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A wonderful woman.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-01/former-victorian-premier-joan-kirner-dies/6513086
Now THAT was one politician I had absolute respect for! RIP comrade.
They don’t make them like you any more!
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except for penny wong !
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The sad state of our new Parliament:
The woman is a paradigm of what such prodigious amount of hatred in one’s heart can do to one’s head!
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The voice of the 1920’s is a joke. Short of her falling off her perch it won’t change until the next election.
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The best we’ve ever had was Anna Burke. I hope to Christ that if Labor ever get back in they give her the job again.
But it means that Sleepy will have to wake up very soon.
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She’s pure evil.
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For the love of Eros the Magnificent!
Mr Nopey and Mr Sleepy are at it again, playing with mirrors and apples to kill yet another Snow White, as is their intractable wont.
Their dogma is, “It doesn’t matter how simple the issue is, always play politics because politics and not the health of a nation, is the game.
Play pragmatism because pragmatism and not ideals or morals or justice is the game.
I’d be buggered if I know why any two people would want the religious nutters to play a part in the vows to each other but that is their affair so, amen to that.”
Yet the matter is extremely simple: The marriage Bill should read, “marriage is between two people.” That’s it and even that has one condition too many.
The people concerned can be gay, transgender, transvestites, trans any fucking thing they need or want to be. What’s it got to do with all these regressive, reactionaries, recalcitrants who call themselves “liberals” or “lefties” but are in fact nothing more than gut churning fascists? Mussolinis?
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Bill Shorten, in a speech that could well have been written by the eloquent Bob Ellis and watched by his count-them-in-one-hand admirers, said, once again, nothing.
This always amazes me to the point of jaw dropping bemusement. How on earth do they manage to do that? How do they manage to get up and speak for hours when they know and they know full well, that all that pulpitory waffle means nothing to anyone?
Piss against the wind, straw up a bull’s bum. How can they do that sort of thing?
And, still bemused I ask, why don’t they, instead say something of some use? Something that helps someone, somewhere, other than themselves?
It bemuses me and it frightens the hell out of me.
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yup yup yup !
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The Drum works in mysterious ways. Now, of those two, one is open for comments. The other one, they may be waiting for a go-ahead from a higher authority.
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Comments though are just absolute shit. I posted one and it is not there. Apparently it is all the Green’s fault. Give me strength. Off on other tangents all over the bloody place.
Family coming for dinner to celebrate Lola’s 10th birthday (the dog) – gotta cook the papadums.
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I think it is better you spend the whole day today with family, Vivienne, away from this drum thing. Happy birthday Lola 🙂
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Two articles up but not open for comments.
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oh! looks like they opened gates for the other one !!!
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Huh! Another article not open for comments? This must be a new strategy by the Drum to force us to read the article, digest it, think about it -what and how to comment-, digest it more and think more, and then post your comment. …. As if I’m going to read the whole article of Chris Berg or any other libertarian or other right wing nutters. Crap!
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Union Man:
29 May 2015 4:11:46pm
“If there is a bug in the system that loses posts, then it needs fixing.”
Get used to it Comery, it happens all of the time.
I used to think it was a software glitch and have played around with multiple posts first sending them seconds apart, then using different browsers on the one machine and then using different machines, all at different times of the day (trying to account for moderator workload). While doing this, I kept records of times and what got published and what didn’t. I’ve not found a pattern in the success or otherwise of posts so I can now only put it down to moderator decision-making.
Right-whingers here complain of censorship of their views but I see that plenty of their posts get up. Plenty of mine don’t (especially in the last seven days).
My view now is that the moderators are managing the posts to “manufacture” interesting threads of debate in much the same way as Reality TV producers edit video footage to manufacture interesting television (or try to at least).
I’ll laugh out loud if this bloody post gets through considering I’ve had about 18 or so posts knocked back this week.
C’mon Aunty – Why censor? 😉
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Yes the moderators are managing the posts but I would say not for the reasons of manufacturing “interesting threads of debate”.
More likely it is because they are scared of losing their jobs if they don’t toe the line and post lunatic right-winger’s comment, and at the same time block most of ours. The Mods are under pressure from the ABC board, and the ABC board is under pressure from the LNP government.
That’s how scared they are.
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Dear Vivienne, please tell me if there is something wrong in this comment. I tried to post it but the mods don’t like it! Is it Irrelevant? simple? wrong choice of words? wrong grammar? what is it?…!!!!
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“As unpalatable as the idea might be, we need to at least be open to the possibility that there exists a decreasing level of motivation and/or ability of young Australians to enter the workforce; and we need to get honest in exploring the reasons as to why.”
No, Dr Rachael Sharman, this is not a matter of psychology. This is a matter of politics.
Once upon a time we had a great visionary politician, Gough Whitlam, who introduced reforms in every field including Education & Training. Higher Education Contribution Scheme (HECS) for TAFE students was his most enduring single achievement.
Here is the reason as to why: Privatisation
Privatising The Commonwealth Employment Service (CES), and bringing in a US-style higher education model has brought us to where we are today.
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It’s fine hph. The mods are not concerned with spelling or grammar because if they were at least half of the published comments would not appear.
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Spot the best laugh of the day in this comment on the Drum (Same Sex Marriage):
Patricia:
28 May 2015 1:18:41pm
I would love to have a referendum on such important ‘social engineering’ issue. I hate to see that few politicians, under pressure from the powerful elite segments in out society, deciding such important aspect of the future of our society.
Am I a bigot? I don’t think so. I am normally very broadminded on most political or ideological issues. I am also not a member of any religious organization. However, I happen to believe that the primary purpose of any animal species is procrastination – to continue existence the species. I also understand that many species would have variations which do not conform to the ‘natural order’, however, to institutionalize such behavior and particularly to put it on equal keel with the ‘natural order’ would be the beginning of the end of the Western society.
Remember the Rome. Such powerful empire, which ruled the entire civilized world, self destructed by the social and moral excesses and the breakdown of the natural social order. I sincerely think that the Western society is now being pushed by the few powerful celebrities to the same direction towards self-destruction.
I wish people would stop, take deep breath and think about it, rather than follow the emotional hype, generated by the few influential celebrities, and the current, extensive media propaganda.
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“the primary purpose of any animal species is procrastination” 🙂
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How many chidren do they have I wonder. The line reminder me of something. out of Monty Python’s Meaning of Life.😘
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Spot on Algernon. Your memory is good. I should watch this film again.
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My reply got up. Others don’t – better than my usual miserable average of late.
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Same here, Vivienne…
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I had to reply three times to one before it got up. Others were ok. Todays been hit and miss. Tomorrow will be patchy, traveling.
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Bob Ellis, Tony Abbott, Dementia Pugilistica and the Thickening of the Brain and the thinning of the skin through too much blog power.
Which Dementia is the worst?
Parliamentary power or blog power?
5,000 hits just in the morning alone! Wow!
Reminds me of the brave little tailor who killed seven flies in one go, of the Grimm Bros telling.
Geoff May 27, 2015 at 9:01 am:
Perhaps its time to go quiet on this Mr Ellis.
Could it be that your roar has been too loud and anguished and contemptuous and eviscerating that you have embarrassed others into silence; that others fear to speak less they are accused of it’s inspiration or worse?
Let them stew in their own juice.
Let the absence of our rage be the silence where the catastrophe dawns.
Just thinking.
As my child reminds me, there is a time when you have said enough.
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◦ Bob Ellis May 27, 2015 at 9:11 am:
◦ Yeah, it’s time we went easy on Hitler too. He did love that dog. Reply
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Bob Ellis May 27, 2015 at 9:14 am Do you mean ‘lest’ not ‘less’ and ‘its’ not ‘it’s’ or are you a moron?
Just asking.
Go fuck yourself. I have five thousand hits this morning already. This indicates that somebody is listening, and NO-ONE has been turned off the argument by anything I have said.
Geoff May 27, 2015 at 11:17 am
I did mean ‘lest’ and ‘its’ and maybe my timing is moronic.
But I believe I was among the first to suggest on this blog about a year ago that Abbott may have brain damage from boxing or other
http://www.ellistabletalk.com/2015/05/27/abbott-a-question-of-gross-incompetence/#comments
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Bob Ellis, Tony Abbott, Dementia Pugilistica and the Thickenning of the Brain and the thining of the skin through too much blog power. Which Dementia is the worst?
http://www.ellistabletalk.com/2015/05/26/the-meaning-of-terrorism/#comments
Geoff May 26, 2015 at 7:58 pm:
My point has always been that Question time is irrelevant, ever since Abbott stood like a coward in front of signs abusing Julia Gillard, held by stupid people.
That wasn’t Question Time.
No I haven’t seen too many QT’s for a while.
I work. I get tired. I take your word that Shorten is flogging Abbott. I am grateful.
So did Julia Gillard.
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• Bob Ellis May 26, 2015 at 8:37 pm:
You have passed judgment on something you have not seen, and are banned for life.
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o Geoff May 26, 2015 at 9:51 pm:
I have seen that it is not relevant.
And there are other things I should be doing
And it seems to be personal for you so I will go.
I have only ever tried to contribute.
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o Glow Worm May 26, 2015 at 9:53 pm:
No, please, not Geoff.
He is one of us.
We can’t afford to lose any more foot soldiers.
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• Bob Ellis May 27, 2015 at 1:18 am:
Okay. He can stay.
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• Glow Worm May 27, 2015 at 9:46 am:
Thanks, Bob.
I hope he’s still reading.
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Open Drum: On Regional ‘housing stress’ … I’m not allowed to say “Pitch your tent near a waterhole and grow your own potatoes. Making a bow and arrow is not difficult.”
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Lehan is firing on all cylinders at Ian Verrender’s blog 🙂
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She has a magic touch at the moment. Me – 2 out of 10.
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Your comments are always relevant and sensible, why the mods don’t post them is a mystery!
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I’ve had a good day only one missing out. However one comes in a bit late being 2 hours behind.
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The mods must be asleep today Chuck Shitatya accuses Alfie of being “an expert in onanism” on Paula’s blog and gets it posted. O
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Did they pulled it out? 🙂 I don’t see it.
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Unfortunately they did hph. The mod must have looked up what onanism meant. Still can’t believe that Chhuck Shitatya gets a gig with that pseudo😀
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I’m having very little luck.
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It’s what all good onanists do. Pull it. Out!
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Indeed!
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Trying to keep one’s hand in.
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Apparently it sends you blind.
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..then I’d like to ask what causes deafness 🙂
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How’s the West?
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Good hoo got everything we needed to do done. Off to onee of Mrs A’s school friends for a few days before flying back. Found the Winnebago yet.
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Not yet Ace, still looking.
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http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/clarke-and-dawe/NC1559V017S00
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Very funny atomou but also very real, thanks mate.
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I never miss it.
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IPA – Institute of Paid Anuses
Brilliant! 🙂
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I saw that – brilliant indeed.
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Lehan Ramsay got 38 comments up on Jericho’s piece. Amazing.
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Yes I saw them, Well done Lehan. I enjoy reading your comments.
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I think there is at least one person at the ABC who has a warped sense of humour similar to mine, Vivienne. 🙂 I wish I could do what she is doing, then all my comments would be posted.
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I don’t think any were vaguely on topic. The 10 or 12 in a row at the end – mindboggling.
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Yes, most of them are not on topic, you’re right. They are not meant to be on topic. She has this unique technique of taking the piss out of Life, Death, Politics, Economy, Labor Liberal party and Tony Abbott no matter what the topic is, and the humour in her comments is too subtle for dipstick right wingers to understand… she irritates the hell out of them, and I love it! That’s why they banned her from Andrew Bolt’s blog. For someone new who has just arrived from outside and read her comments on the drum, they won’t make any sense at all. But for those who have been there long enough to acquire the taste, it’s a source of entertainment. Her comments are like paintings in an arts exhibition. I always look at her comments as if I’m looking at her paintings. The art and the artist are there for all to see. Then again this is my interpretation of her art.
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Exactly hph. Art speaking.
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Is there something wrong grammatically with this comment below? I mean if there is, please correct it so I’ll have a second go on the drum. I tried to respond to Trevor M at the top of Berg’s article.
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“Sue is as much disappointed as Chris Berg because this Liberal government does not have the full support of the senate to transform Australia according to IPA’s 75 Radical Ideas listed on their website: ipa.org.au/publications/2080/be-like-gough-75-radical-ideas-to-transform-australia
I agree with only a few of these ideas but the rest is pure U.S. style Libertarian fantasy.
Ps. Clive Palmer has his own agenda and I don’t trust him at all. “
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It’ll do hph. I got one up this morning. Been shopping and just checked out the latest. Fortunately others have answered the idiots but they do keep coming back with utter rot. The mods let all that up. I think this mod has it in for us hph.
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Thanks Vivienne. Would you believe that this was going to be my second post so far this week? But to no avail! I see so many irrelevant and absolutely idiotic comments on the drum …and then the ABC moderators insist that we should read the ‘house rules’ before submitting! The mind boggles!
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House Rules ! They don’t abide by their own rules hph. We ought to demand an explanation. I might compose another email to Chips.
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Don’t know how this got through, but it made me chuckle:
Chuck Shitatya:
19 May 2015 9:22:10am
Isn’t amazing how things repeat, to no good? Here we have a fraudulent scribbler trying for the late F Devine’s crown as dogshit journalist of the year (or all time?), on matters regretting lack of interference and regulation by M Fraser, when The Institute of paid Anuses stands for a ridiculous and irresponsible form of freedom theoretically, allowing any arsehole to justify breaking the law, avoiding responsibility and dodging decency. Extreme Toryism takes many forms, but hard core greed and egocentric fixation are central to this load of deviates. Why is Berg here so often, when other frauds must be queuing up to preach their personal idiocies, especially for big money from cunning but hidden donors? At least M Fraser had the decency to grow up and contribute to society.
Father O’Way:
19 May 2015 11:53:45am
Very well said Chuck
‘Institute of Paid Anuses’, priceless.
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And I think that’s the reason it got through. Who could go past that “Institute” without popping in for a quick relief?
Well done, Father!
But I smell the sacking of a chuckling moderator, who’ll probably say, “it was worth it” as he walked out the ABC’s front door!
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Thank you one an all, yes Chuck has a way with words and I hope the mods didn’t lose their jobs over it.
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Thanks FOW.
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Thanks Big, FOW is appearing at the Drum at the moment.
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Janet is pretty much the pits. Haven’t read her for years.
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I can’t seem to be able to post in the articles part of the blog. Could one of the mods, if s/he finds it appropriate, please shift this there? Many thankses.
Will the real Pauline Hanson please stand up?
When the Greeks want to praise someone who’s great at something -music, art, acting, soccer, etc, they call him or her, “teacher!”
“Teacher, teacher,” they call out when this person has demonstrated his or her mastery. “You are our teacher! You are good enough to be a teacher!”
Australia deserves the accolade of “teacher” for showing with unfettered pride its unique and indubitable mastery to all our neighbours, to wit, the mastery of how to be a heartless bastard.
We are the “teachers” of Bastardy, a freshly born strain of it, much more virulent than its older form, which sometimes might well be confused with one of those australian playful and cheeky con artists. No, Socrates would say that we possess “the wisdom” of it. “He is wise in farming, in lyre playing, in poetry, in being a good whore (hetaira, “companion”) in building, in soldiering.” That sort of a teacher. One who has the wisdom, the skill of it!
Well done Australia!
Because we are also wise.
In being mean, nasty, xenophobic, heartless, anti-social, unwelcoming, racist, bigots, hypocrites. Not every one of us, of course but those of us who count. Those who make the rules regarding all these things, bastardy and bigotry and heartlessness and suchlike.
And before the asylum seekers of Myanmar there were thousands of others. Nowhere near as many thousands as those seeking to escape all sorts of inhumanity by fleeing towards the Southern shores of Europe but thousands still who can attest to our mastery of all things xenophobic.
Who is the better teacher then, Tony or Pauline?
Who’s better at dehumanising the “other?”
Poor darling Pauline! She’s been replace by a phalanx of similarly minded teachers. Or worse!
We deserve the accolade because we are the proud inventors of tent cities; and we are the proud inventors now of boat cities, a new phenomenon for Poseidon, the god of all the oceans to ponder over.
It takes quite a bit of surgery, the removal of the heart of a beast and to still keep it alive but it seems the teacher of that art has done a good job on us. We are breathing without a beating heart. Well done whoever you are!
And we deserve an accolade for bullshit. Name the Oz politician and I’ll point out to you a dung heap of lies, so high, it reaches Zeus’ balls.
And of glib excuses:
Here’s Brandis on the poor destitute Rohingya asylum seekers, fleeing Myanmar brutality: http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015/05/14/australia-not-asked-help-asylum-seekersas reported in the sbs website:
“Attorney-General George Brandis told the Senate on Thursday there had been no official request for help to pick up an estimated 6000 asylum seekers abandoned by smugglers in seas between Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia.
He said Australia has provided $10.7 million in urgent humanitarian aid to Myanmar and Australian officials will attend a regional meeting on people smuggling in Thailand later this month.
Australia’s ambassador for people smuggling issues Andrew Goledzinowski will attend the meeting.”
See what I mean? “No official request” and “Australia provided lots of money” and “an ambassador will attend some meeting…”
Prizeworthy shit!
Teacher! Teacher! Brandis may be branded a teacher! At the very least of bigotry!
We have taught our neighbours well, Indonesia, Malaysia and Thailand… they are doing what we excel in. What we are “wise” in! They send the destitute back into the vast oceans. Into death by starvation and thirst, or murder back at Myanmar.
Yep, we’ve taught them well! No wonder the Indonesians got confused with our pleas on the two men on their death row.
We have taught our neighbours how to live people stranded in limbo. We are good Catholics.
We watch with our eyes closed and our heads turned away when atrocity after atrocity is committed upon the prisoners at Manus, prisoners who could well, if asked, choose to go to Guantanamo, so disgraceful is our treatment of them.
So shamefully do we behave towards them that rapes and murders don’t faze us.
After all, our heart-bereft politicians have told us quite categorically and with the straightest of faces and the blankness of the eye that we, ie the politicians themselves, didn’t commit the said atrocities -if indeed these atrocities are not a figment of leftist journos and after all again, “we are doing this for their own good.”
“And,” they continue, “we want to remove the ‘people smugglers’ end their horrendous human trade and this is the only way to do it!”
No, we are not unimaginative, we are not heartless, we are very sympathetic to their plight. And, don’t forget, the reason they are in the five star accommodation at Manus, is because they haven’t drowned at sea. We have saved them from drowning at sea! People forget that!
That’s why we must let them rot, emotionally, spiritually, physically – that’s why men should be killed, and little girls be raped, why they must go without the most basic necessities of everyday life for a human being!
It’s all for their own good and the sooner they realise that…
They want to remove these illusive “people smugglers” like Bush and Netanyahu wanted to remove the illusive weapons of mass destruction in Iraq!
Why aren’t we grateful?
Bertolt Brecht, -now there was a teacher!- after an incident in which East German troops fired at their own people, quipped that “the government has lost confidence in the people. It has therefore decided to elect a new people.”
Our teachers have decided to chuck us out of the Democracy mix and elect a whole new lot of people.
But, no they are not teachers, are they? Neither Hanson nor Abbott are teachers, not teachers in Socrates’ full definition: A teacher only teaches virtue. Truth. Education can only be called education if the content is virtuous.
No, these are just thugs. The crassest, most blatant, most brutal thugs. Nothing virtuous in thugs!
And the chests of Hanson and Abbott are identical, when it comes to these accolades.
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Agree.
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One comment (first one) got up on the Drum today. Made about 5 other good ones – nothing. Bum.
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I can get quite flowery when it gets to insults but I take my hat off to Ellis for this little explosion:
“With her usual inability to see a bare arse pumping turds in her face, she picked the week when Morrison ruined himself to say how well he was doing.”
http://www.ellistabletalk.com/2015/05/17/the-albrechtsen-moment/
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When he’s hot he’s hot Ato. And what about all those boats full of asylum seekers? (exploding in his face)
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When ellis is “hot,” Vivienne, he burns everything within miles around him!
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That too. I can’t stand Janet A.
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Janet is pretty much the pits. Haven’t read her for years.
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Neither have I – stopped when Aust charged to read on line.
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