The Dump is:
For posting comments that don’t get up at the Drum, and for having a pleasant, mirthful or enlightening off-topic discussion.
It’s not for personal abuse of other commenters.
Please do that somewhere else if you must.
Play nicely or piss off.
However, why doesn’t a poster add a link for us to read and comment on here, much quicker. Maybe we can do a bit more bagging here, not that I speak for the moderators, yet.
NB: Being tiresome and boring, racist, sexist or just plain creepy is not playing nicely.
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The Pig’s Arms exists because a dozen or so years ago our other favourite playpen – the ABC’s Unleashed blogsphere started to go off. Like a sack of prawn heads in the sun. Something had to be done.
Moderation was taking forever. Comments seemed to be rejected randomly – outrageous ones appeared and reasoned ones were pinged. When they released the Drum / Unleashed ….. things actually got worse !
So many pieces from professional writers appear with no obvious merit. And the moderation has become, to put it frankly, appalling.
As a former contributor and a commenter, I was deeply disappointed at the plummeting quality from our pre-eminent media empire. And I resented so many challenging or dare I say, witty or funny posts in which we’ve invested seconds of our precious time – getting the chop.
So here, for all our benefit – is an open slather blog. Copy and paste your best rejected comments here for posterity. Does not matter whether you’re posting on the Guardian, First Dog on the Moon or wherever else.
And sprinkle pointers to the Pig’s Arms amongst your comments. Let’s try to rescue some of the old faithful.
Cheers,
Emm.
Window Dresser's Arms, Pig & Whistle 
Eric Abetz says ABC’s new managing director must end ‘lefty love-in’
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/eric-abetz-says-abcs-new-managing-director-must-end-lefty-lovein/news-story/61859b10b84320cc9f796db1a846a1d6
Read the comments below the news..
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Glad to hear that you’re all alive, business, etc can wait.
Yes, wild life suffers terribly!!
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Bloody fire all over the area – weather couldn’t be more shitty – very hot and very windy.
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Better weather tomorrow hopefully vivienne. Hopefully here too. In the meantime have a Schweddy Ball.
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Trust you are OK, Viv. We have smoke in the air, and a few roads cut leading up to the areas around Nelson Bay, but no casualties, as far as I know.
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Been pretty hairy for daughters in Wodonga. Lot of close smoke. Burnt 5400 hectares but that is probably an underestimate. Played havoc with second daughter’s business arrangements – whether to open or not and whether staff could get there. But as of not long ago it is fairly well under control and rain is helping. Been dreadful with the winds all around here and now all is calm. Huge relief. Daughter No.1 partner been fighting the fires and due home soon when I hope to get some first hand info. The official websites are actually not very useful !
Hope all fires are controlled soon wherever they are. \
Big M – most casualties are the animals and wildlife !
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I’m sorry vivienne I didn’t mean to sound so flippant. I hope you are all OK.
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Didn’t take it that way Algy. 10,000 hectares burnt, 50 kms in length. Started as fast moving grassfire at Barnawatha near the Hume Freeway.
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I’m reading Kerry O’Brien’s KEATING. It is fascinating and terrific reading.
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Tell us the interesting parts every now and then,Vivienne.
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Every page so far hph. It’s history first hand. You’ll have to buy or borrow it. I’m loving it.
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Thanks Vivienne. I’ll do it one day.
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ooooooo – somebody at the ABC, hates my guts 🙂
but loves Ben, Louie the Fly and JoeBlog
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Many Abc staff are scared shitless of losing jobs iF ex-Murdoch employee AND Google executive, Michelle Guthrie, replaces Mark Scott as ABC managing director middle of next year. Kerry O’Brien saw the writing on the wall and he went out on his terms.
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If she walks in, Turnbull’s chances of winning the election will increase.
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Similar for me, yet Ben can write rubbish about MRI’s. Had a go at me for making an observation then contradicts his own comment. Mods didn’t allow a reply yet he’s answering all over the place.
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The mods won’t allow me to reply to them no matter how hard and nice I try. It all started for me at the ‘music festival’ blog. I was trying to tickle tab-anus but to no avail. Then I tried Ben a few times and the mods got pissed off with me. Then I had a go with the mods ( I started a one-way conversation with them, lehan-style) – they hit the roof. 🙂
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I often find you can post the same comment two or three times then they post. It seems like if you post between this time and that then they dump nearly all then allow open slather before they get back into the banning again. On the other hand the nut jobs of the right seem to post with impunity.
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I’m not sure why they allow Ben to post his ape-shit crazy anecdotes and home spun observations. I did try to post something about appropriate imaging for different body bits, but didn’t get through. Plus, when I’m working nights, I’m asleep all day, so can’t chase these posts.
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Yes I though certain imaging was better for some but not as good for others. He belted on about MRI’s for the rich. When I pointed there doesn’t appear to be a rebate for MRI’s either Medicare and private (well the ones I have to have) he was asking what the point was WTF.
That people like Ben can post anything they like and others are unable to refute him demonstrates the quality of the moderation. I’m like you Big, can’t post during the day only every other Friday and anything posted during the night seems to go straight to the bin.
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I’m sure that Ben would be surprised to learn that in my public hospital, we order MRs, CTs, ultrasound and plain old x-rays based on clinical need, not insurance status.
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Moderators are pissed off with me again. I can’t reply to Ben 🙂
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Must be the office Christmas party. The Drum shut down at 4pm. Pathetic
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The mods did the same last two Fridays as well, Algernon. Yesterday was strange though. They shut the gates at 4pm but then I noticed this morning, there were a few comments/replies posted with time-stamps after 5-6pm ?!
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Every other Friday is the only time I get to have a good run at the Drum but 4pm is a bit early. Noticed I got censored as well with stuff that didn’t need censoring which changed the trust of the argument. I know that’s nothing new. Wonder why I bother sometimes.
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Yes Algy and especially when you see the many comments which are drivel. I sent in a few and scored zero.
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Yes I wrote on the Cronulla Riots about 2/3’s got up. One didn’t like me describing those who think the Australian flag, is an item of clothing and who think that 100 beating up on one person, who may or not be of middle eastern appearance, as nothing more than bogan filth as it was derogatory. Yet they had no problem calling them westies. Now I live minutes drive from what is Western Sydney. They didn’t see the insult, nearly all those that I know who lived there do. The bogans came from all over.
Now I don’t side with either side in that riot, however 100 taking on one is cowardice and gutless, yet those who argued with me saw nothing wrong with it. Or the fact that at Maroubra there were surfers (white I might add) doing the same as those of middle eastern appearance at Cronulla, nothing wrong with that either. Nor a boy loving parrot using its radio program to incite them. They just couldn’t see the hypocrisy.
I tried to comment on Gerard and Sea Monsters little farago. Sea Monster seems content on being a troll there. I don’t see what pleasure they get out of that. Gerard puts up a reasonable argument. SM on the other hand comments seems loopy. Then again one shouldn’t feed the trolls.
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What do others think of this – so many on the Drum, whatever the article is about, just seem to be there now to argue for argument’s sake. Reading the sperm donor stuff for example. I look at the ‘quality’ of the ‘argument’ and then just think, for shit’s sake, why bother. Seems worse whenever the topic touches on women’s matters (domestic violence, aspects of feminism etc) and climate change matters. There is the rare outburst of interesting exchanges. I’m finding it too tiresome because it has become repetitive.
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Yes, Viv, not only argumentative for it’s own sake, but ill informed, and off topic. Women’s issues seem to generate this type of comment, usually built on a firm base of anecdote, ‘My mate’s barber’s, brother’s neighbor’s distant cousin got punched in the nose by a woman, therefore all domestic violence is generated by women….’ sort of crap. I do have quite a deal of experience with IVF and genetics, but couldn’t be bothered arguing with those shit-heads., besides, we were are away at Shoal Bay, celebrating our 21st wedding anniversary!
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And do celebrate it well. Sounds a good spot to be. Ill informed and also writing lies as always. Men on the receiving end of domestic violence – a lot is minor stuff but gets reported and is in the statistics. Women getting half strangled and not long after murdered. Does that happen to men? I couldn’t find any stats of any help.
Do they have good prawns in Shoal Haven? I had a cray for my birthday last week. Yum.
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Yes, they have great, locally caught prawns at Nelson Bay (the next bay around). I have just recovered from my second experience of gout, so am limited in the amount of seafood I can eat.
There is no shortage of blokes who know more about domestic violence, abortion, sexual assault, etc than women.
Happy Birthday for last week.
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Happy birthday to Vivienne and,
Happy 21st wedding anniversary to Big M & the missus.
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Thanks, HPH, it just seems to get better, and better.
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Well Happy birthday for last week vivienne and Happy Wedding Anniversary to you and Mrs Big.
Yes the dump isn’t what it used to be. Little in the way of conversation or humour more about the right wing filth abusing everyone and getting away with it.
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Expenditure claimed January 1 to June 30, 2015
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-06/tony-abbotts-melbourne-travel-entitlements-fail-pub-test/7005376
Click on ‘down-arrow’ and check the list of politicians.
…remember, this is for 6 months only !!
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Doesn’t itemize anything really. Click on Adam Bandt, he spent more than Abbott at $600k . most I looked at didn’t seem that outrageous at around $200k. I see the Mal Brough had to pay back $16k for an office fitout. The question is why do they need so many office fit outs.
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Good question Algernon. I don’t understand it either. If you add up all the OF expenses for a couple of years we can have another new Parliament House constructed next to the present one. Who has had the least expenses, I wonder? the list is too long to extract it.
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What is ‘office fit out’ for heaven’s sake? Do they buy a new desk to replace the old one? …sheeesh !
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They might paint it or put in a new bookshelf or offices etc. They can cost a fortune. Where I work there was a partial fit out of the floor we’re now on. About $350k and it was quite superficial. A whole floor could cost $1m. Our make good on the old building was nearly that.
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They don’t like sitting on the chair the previous occupant sat on etc etc. Whoever gets the job to repaint or install new furniture charges a minimum of $20,000 consultancy fees etc etc. It’s a rip off.
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It is definitely, Vivienne. Your comment reminded me of an ex-politician from WA 🙂
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Ah sniffer, known the country over, well except for the dog walker. My late ma in law a Liberal voter, was unfortunate to have him as her local member. Couldn’t stand him couldn’t vote for him.
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According to Bob Ellis, the life of an athletic is far more precious than the life of another human being.
The athlete can shoot and kill at will anyone and that’s OK because he’s… an athlete!
Fuck your logic, Ellis. You even think of shooting at one of my daughters and I’ll let you know who’s worth what!
The man has lost it a bloody long time ago. Lost his powers to think. He can still put the commas in the right place though!
Same rational to the Syria issue.
What a shame, Bob! What a fucking shame!
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“athlete” not “athletic.”
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On this one Bob has flipped his lid. Most of the comments don’t agree with him.
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I remember protecting him against the frequent accusations of misogyny back in the Drum days. This little piece of crap though makes me think that if he’s not a full blown misogynist, he’s at least a chauvinist.
He goes full bore blaming the girlfriend for being shot! Why put a good man in jail for the sake of a mere girl, is what his rant amounts to.
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Anyone see the photo of that big goanna on the side of a house in Thurgoona? It is a suburb of Albury and where we first lived – it was all still farmland. Big goannas are common here. I’ve seen a few crossing the road on my way into town. So colourful – different colourings.
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Here is link to the photo in local paper: http://www.bordermail.com.au/story/3536144/thats-not-a-lizard-this-is-a-lizard/?cs=2452
Have a look – it’s a ripper.
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Its a decent size. Liked The Office of Environment and Heritage’s comment about it not being uncommon in the Albury area. Really! I remember them at Hornsby when I was a kid, Development had them moving into the bush
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The village parrot managed to get this first up on the Jericho blog.
Alfie:
02 Dec 2015 10:22:54am
If, as you say, the rich are getting ricer, can we see a graph of Clive Palmers fortunes please Greg.
Most businessmen like myself certainly claim have not prospered as well as we did in the Howard years.
Alfie, businessman . he must be joking. Given the extraordinary amount of time he spends at The Drum he must treat his customers with contempt.
Probably runs a pie carlt like the dog walker.
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It is odd that business folk like Alf, Ben the Lawyer and the Walker of Dogs have so much time to comment on the ABC. Perhaps waiting for Howard type handouts and tax concessions to get things moving.
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Having been a businessman under both. I though things were better under Labor. I don’t get how much time they seem to spend there. There are others who tell us how hard and how many hours they work who are similar.
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They are all lying Algy. They are retired Lib lovers or Young Liberal footsoldiers.
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Nice work, Algy:
‘Alfie:
30 Nov 2015 12:06:00pm
Marty.
Alfie’s tip of the day: look up the definition of “Coalition”.
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Algernon:
30 Nov 2015 5:11:07pm
Alfie.
Algernon’s tip of the day, look up the definition of the word parrot.
You seem to squawk the same lines day in day out. When Turnbull actually shows us a policy let me know. At the moment he seems to be dazzling the punters with verbosity.
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Yes I liked that. The fool didn’t get it. In his reply and continued to parrot his usual lines
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So annoying. There is no Party called the Coalition Party. Vote Lib, vote Nats. If only a Lib candidate the Nats vote Lib, and vice versa.
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🙂 SoZ’s response to articles: One for August, one for Deirdre.
Son of Zaky:
27 Nov 2015 2:59:10pm
“Therefore, I advocate that rather than continuing on a tangent of selflessness and interventionism (as has been the trend during the last 20 years), we the people of the West might benefit from a new outlook of selfishness and isolationism”
Fine. I advocate that the author spend less time wandering around deserts hallucinating. When I read an article stuffed full of definitive, absolutist descriptions of the world, with complex issues and actions reduced to an almost comic book level of understanding, then I find myself unable to escape the conclusion that new species of mind-altering plants are just waiting to be discovered in the more remote areas of Utah.
Conceivably it also explains the Mormons.
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Son of Zaky:
27 Nov 2015 2:11:42pm
It’s taken a few “articles” by Deirdre Fidge to twig to her definition of “comedian”, but I think I’ve nailed it now.
The process is one of drawing on the ample supply of vacuousness in her immediate vicinity, pen some sort of poor (wo)man’s Jerry Seinfeld story about nothing in a strained and not-overly-funny way, and sit back weeing yourself reading all the people who take the bait and treat it seriously.
It’s a new definition of “comedy” I haven’t experienced before – a “comedian” performing in public with a routine designed to have her as the only one laughing. It’s novel, it’s intriguing, but I have to confess it’s also the closest thing to legalised self-pleasuring in a public place I’ve ever encountered. It comes across as an innovative form of time-wasting worthy of greater recognition than I fear it’s getting.
Ben Pobjie it’s not – although I honestly couldn’t say if that’s a compliment or an insult.
Let me be one of the first (if not the first) to sincerely congratulate Ms Fidge on finding a niche she can call home. Too many people would have taken the easy option of going off to play the pokies, or would have taken up knitting. Well done her.
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Remember guys!
2pm (EST ie Melbourne time) today!
https://wavefarm.org/wgxc/schedule/y43eyg
(Click on the side bar that says “LISTEN LIVE”)
WGXC 90.7-FM.
WGXC Hudson studio
704 Columbia St., floor 2 | Hudson, NY 12534
For Thanksgiving, “Greek Tragedy”brings you a family drama, “Antigone,” by Sophocles’.
“Greek Tragedy” reads aloud the great sad plays that were rescued from the fire that destroyed the library of Alexandria. Yes, you killed your father, married your mother, committed murder to spite your ex, you are psychic but no one believes you and the future only holds destruction and misery, you stand up to authority but everyone dies in the end anyway, you are conquered and vanquished, you destroy all things for a flimsy ideal, you make bad decisions, you kid yourself that you are living in a democracy.
Paired with news items from the contemporary crisis in Greece and the ongoing demise of the planet, and featuring live music and sound effects, “Greek Tragedy” is brought to you by John Cleater, Brian Dewan, Stephanie Fleischmann, David Garland, Andrea Kleine, Bobby Previte, Karen Schoemer, Rebecca Wolff, and many special guests.
Translation by George Theodoridis.
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Have to miss it Ato. Double birthday celebrations here commencing at 2 pm.
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They’ll rebroadcast it tomorrow, Tuesday at 2pm EST if you like. It was great. A simple reading of it but good listening, after the preamble.
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Checked my main sponsoree for Movember today – an excellent Chopper Read (Reed?) job if ever I saw one.
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A brilliant interview on ISIS, of Pilger by Rattansi who could teach all of our journos a million lessons on journalism and on interviewing!
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You all have to listen to this program on Nov 28, 2pm Melbourne time
The reading will be of my translation, so hearing it is imperative, with a severe penalty: Zeus will descend before you and squeeze your head!
https://wavefarm.org/wgxc
Greek Tragedy: Antigone
Nov 28, 2015: 10pm – 11pm
WGXC 90.7-FM: Hands-on Radio
90.7-FM and wgxc.org
Wave Farm Radio
wavefarm.org 1620-AM | Simulcast mid-6 a.m. and Saturdays on WGXC 90.7-FM.
WGXC Hudson studio
704 Columbia St., floor 2 | Hudson, NY 12534
For Thanksgiving, “Greek Tragedy”brings you a family drama, “Antigone,” by Sophocles’.
“Greek Tragedy” reads aloud the great sad plays that were rescued from the fire that destroyed the library of Alexandria. Yes, you killed your father, married your mother, committed murder to spite your ex, you are psychic but no one believes you and the future only holds destruction and misery, you stand up to authority but everyone dies in the end anyway, you are conquered and vanquished, you destroy all things for a flimsy ideal, you make bad decisions, you kid yourself that you are living in a democracy.
Paired with news items from the contemporary crisis in Greece and the ongoing demise of the planet, and featuring live music and sound effects, “Greek Tragedy” is brought to you by John Cleater, Brian Dewan, Stephanie Fleischmann, David Garland, Andrea Kleine, Bobby Previte, Karen Schoemer, Rebecca Wolff, and many special guests.
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The text, of course, is here:
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It will be entered in the daily what to do list and actioned promptly 🙂 Looking forward to it. Into what language did you translate it ? Just kidding !
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Many thankses, Therese!
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ABC Drum : a controlled cage fighting environment : Status Quo is preserved and Promoters & Punters are blissful 🙂
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I thought I was getting just the one up until now – checked and I have 5 little ones. The mods very slow.
Old dog walker puts in his usual bit of rubbish.
Jericho’s piece is excellent.
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Hi Vivienne, the moderator(s) are slow because they are very busy putting the ‘right pieces’ of the picture-puzzle by carefully selecting which pieces to be posted at what time and in which order after collecting them for 3-4 hours for a particular article. Then they do same with the ‘replies’.
Or, it’s like painting a picture.
We are the ‘paints’. The ABC is the ‘brush and the canvas’. And the hand holding the brush is………
🙂
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I tried a different name for the day. I see the Dog walker has one up under a different name on the Lewis blog. First up whats more.
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I half thought that was him too !
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hph, I think it is more like a school yard. Any comment on government policy is seen by the Right as a Leftist attack! As for the dogwalker’s comments???
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Publicly professing his ignorance. On an Analysis and Opinion site he doesn’t know of Waleed who has been offering just that on SBS, ABC, newspapers and now this year on The Project. Can’t admit himself to be the fool he is and defends his making of a non-point and thinks he is contributing !! ffs
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In his follow up comment he criticises the rest of Australia for criticising his ignorance. He’s like a character out of a View Askew film.
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But I still perversely enjoy reading his comments. Still the same and still tossing in the IQ reference.
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He often says he doesn’t know this person or that. You have to wonder why he makes such comments in ignorance. I see Sea Monster is making a complete dick of its self as well.
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What else is new 🙂
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Well, yes, maybe, more like a school yard or bumfights among inmates in the asylum. And ABC likes to keep it at that. As for the walker, I don’t pay much attention to what he says…
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How does a buffoon like dapsta get the same comment up three times on two blogs. Knows nothing about the dismissal as they weren’t born at the time yet can pontificate about it. Ignorant fool! Must be a staffer or Young Liberal.
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They give me the tom tits.
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Had some clown suggest that the sacking was not Treason as I’d suggested. Unable to tell them to look up the meaning of the word. The tommys is apt.
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Guys, profuse apologies for this but my email addy has been hacked and whoever did it has sent some bizarre emails around to my well over 1000 contacts, including my bank who shut my account down until they, apple and I did a considerable amount of very irritating work that took the best part of the morning!
Please take no notice!
It might well be the mufti!
BASTARDS!
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So far people are receiving one of two messages:
1: Greetings,
How are you doing,How is your family,Sorry for the inconvenience,I really need your urgent help right now..Let me know if you can be of help..
Regards,
George.
2: “AM so happy to hear back from you. I’m in Houston Texas to see my cousin who lives here. my cousin was diagnosed with terminal ovarian cancer which spread to her stomach lining. She is under going chemo therapy and hydration one per week to help her extend her life expectancy… etc, etc, etc”
This one last one has been sent by a vodafone and oddly enough it has the words vodafone AU at the top, a symbol of the batter which is at 62%…
Faaaark!
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Faaaaarkkkk indeed. Heard of this type of scam before. I do believe your friends would know you are not in Houston and not send money. But bloody annoying and irritating.
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The horribly ugly thing, vivienne is that all of 2015 emails have disappeared!
There is a whole lot of people waiting for answers from me and the embarrassment of one minute talking with a prof about a play and the next minute the email disappears!
What shits would do this?
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Far more annoying than the African diplomat looking to give me millions, or the Russian/Chinese.whatever girls who want to meet me!
In all seriousness, sorry to hear that. Paralysing in the modern world.
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Ato – disaster !! Do you still have your address book untouched. You will have to send people a quick explanation.
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I do despair – Mungo’s piece and the same shit responses, the same heartless list of excuses and garbage heaped upon garbage. I think they should leave all articles on anything to do with asylum seekers closed for comment. Enough.
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More shit, same shovels, Alf and co.
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I saw Alfie the onanist managed two first appearances today. Usual idiot comments
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I think Alfie may be one of those computer programs that automatically troll on line.
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He’s eager to please the LNP. One of the sad stupid and lonely that are members I suspect. He’s definitely what the hierarchy of the party call a mushroom.
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How on earth does the yank manage to get the first post on nearly every ABC blog?
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Gets up early and stays glued to his computer. Very dedicated.
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He must sit there poised like a cobra.
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No ABC on line for hours. Terrible.
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How long does it take to fix it. Still off line as it was in the middle of the day
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Must have been a big crash in the system. All normal this morning. Life without the ABC is not worth thinking about.
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Me too, I missed my have fun with Alfie day.
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Yes I’ve had a fair strike rate this morning 8 out of 12 posted. Off to see Sculptures by the Sea, see how I go this afternoon.
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I’ve had a graze through the comments. Amazing collection. You did well Algy and making sense unlike some of the usual twerps there. I got one up to which Tabanus replied and my good response to him never made it. I’ve been out most of the afternoon – visiting daughter and grand-daughter. Gosh she’s terrific and gorgeous. I mean she really is gorgeous and of course growing at a pace. (Notice dog walker writing his usual wanking nonsense!).
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PS re dog walker and car manufacturers in UK – thought it was suss but it is true as long as you think that small specialist (tiny) builders of sports cars for the wealthy and reproductions of old nice vintage cars and so forth really count in the true sense of the work manufacturers. Most are little but nice niche builders of automobiles of the kind only fussy brits and fab wealthy oil millionaires would buy.
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The comments about Thatcher certainly opened up the debate didn’t it. what gets me is the dog walker came here in 1988. If Thatcher was so great why did he leave. The south of England ended up quite prosperous under her, the north might as well been a third world country. The car thing had me thinking huh! Yes I enjoyed the morning and enjoyed the sculptures.
Today Shorten made a suggestion about lowering the voting age to 16 and was opened up for comment. You really must be brain dead to be a conservative. Claudius well how is this moron allowed to post, he doesn’t even make sense let alone produce a rational argument. He’s only interested in abuse.
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Snake had fun with him.
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I missed that thread – no comments when I read the article and then I forgot to revisit. The rightwing nutty Libs had a field day – all writing garbage and confirming themselves to be the idiots they are. Cruising having the nerve to suggest he was being censored yet had a dozen or so comments up. Bastards. They should have been mowing the lawn !
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Ride ons in Queensland down the footpaths perhaps
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They play good football there Ace.
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They do Hung, apparently someone recently got arrested or fined for using a ride on mower in the street somewhere. Only in Queensland hey.
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Only in Queensland 🙂
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Wednesday – zero success.
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My success rate is at most 10 comments per week.
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Here’s what Barnaby Joyce stated after the UN released its finding that red meat can cause cancer,
“There’s a whole range of detail in the analysis of how you determine something has a correlation with cancer,” Mr Joyce told ABC RN Breakfast.
“I don’t think that we should get too excited that if you have a sausage you’re going to die of bowel cancer.
“You’re not. You just don’t want to live on sausages.”
Some of us have to live on Sausages Barnaby as we can’t afford anything else, dear oh dear.
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