The Dump is:
For posting comments that don’t get up at the Drum, and for having a pleasant, mirthful or enlightening off-topic discussion.
It’s not for personal abuse of other commenters.
Please do that somewhere else if you must.
Play nicely or piss off.
However, why doesn’t a poster add a link for us to read and comment on here, much quicker. Maybe we can do a bit more bagging here, not that I speak for the moderators, yet.
NB: Being tiresome and boring, racist, sexist or just plain creepy is not playing nicely.
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The Pig’s Arms exists because a dozen or so years ago our other favourite playpen – the ABC’s Unleashed blogsphere started to go off. Like a sack of prawn heads in the sun. Something had to be done.
Moderation was taking forever. Comments seemed to be rejected randomly – outrageous ones appeared and reasoned ones were pinged. When they released the Drum / Unleashed ….. things actually got worse !
So many pieces from professional writers appear with no obvious merit. And the moderation has become, to put it frankly, appalling.
As a former contributor and a commenter, I was deeply disappointed at the plummeting quality from our pre-eminent media empire. And I resented so many challenging or dare I say, witty or funny posts in which we’ve invested seconds of our precious time – getting the chop.
So here, for all our benefit – is an open slather blog. Copy and paste your best rejected comments here for posterity. Does not matter whether you’re posting on the Guardian, First Dog on the Moon or wherever else.
And sprinkle pointers to the Pig’s Arms amongst your comments. Let’s try to rescue some of the old faithful.
Cheers,
Emm.
Window Dresser's Arms, Pig & Whistle 
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Then listen to:
The Ronettes, Be My Baby
Ben E King, Stand By Me
Screamin’ Jay Hawkins, I Put a Spell on You – (live version)
🙂
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Strictly for “blues” fans only
Filmed at Montreal University 1980
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1WybuEIQWA&nohtml5=False
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🙂 🙂 A perfect fit with the next playlist when it’s posted
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Thanks buddy. I’m feeling a bit nostalgic today 🙂
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“Canada, attracted teachers from The UK.
I know this first hand, as two of my close relatives were invited, and they ended up as high as you can go (without me giving details). They were the cream of the crop from British Universities.
My wife is an educator here in Oz, and has often made the observation, that the teachers are not as educated.
OK, you can have a go at me if’ you like, but I guess the truth hurts.”
No points for which pie cart owner put this up during the week. I’m amazed he didn’t put up that he thought he’d earned a Master’s Degree as he’d helped his wife with hers. I suspect though that its one of those inferior Australian ones, nowhere near as good as one of those from the cream of British Universities.
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I was out yesterday afternoon and missed posting anything on the Drum’s opinion poll article. I’ve never read so much drivel in the comments on polling.
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I posted some comments this week but was really too busy to do much. Did catch up on some of them Yes there was a lot of drivel posted there wasn’t there. I tend to think some of those who tend to support the conservatives are starting to panic a bit.
Will head down to the small local shops soon. The one legged arse kicker has designated it the shopping centre of the month and will be down there annoying the shoppers, last week the young Liberals who were helping him stood there like stunned mullets. He hasn’t shopped there in five years according to the shop owners. He walked in recently to the shop the younger is working and asked don’t you know who I am. She replied no wouldn’t have a clue. The language from the butchers was the bluest I’ve ever heard regarding him.
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That’s what I love to hear.
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He wasn’t there this week oh well, there’s always next week.
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If I’d seen that comment I might well have added that those UK teachers probably benefited by being taught by the best Aussie teachers in the UK. I’m closely related to one and on an on-line message he found out he was still highly regarded by many of his students as the best teacher they ever had. They also remarked on how well dressed he was.
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He wouldn’t have liked that. But the British think that Australian teachers are a cut above the local crop. They also are worried about the potential of the 35000 pound rule becoming law as well for those who want to stay on. The Elder is thinking of going to England and Europe, for a bit in a few years time and even though she qualifies for an Ancestry Visa she may be affected by the rule.
I might add that his wife works in a private school on the Gold Coast. My friend on the Gold Coast was scathing generally about the quality of the teaching their children received in Private Education there. They thought the standard was well below what they’d experienced in the public system here.
So as usual his bum and his mouth were in tune.
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I was intending to post a reply, but last time I did he claimed to have nearly three and a half masters degrees because he was in the house most of the time while four people studied for them Can’t argue with that sort of logic.
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Reminds me of the 10 pounders who came here as fitter and turners but told people they were Engineers. You’re right you can’t argue with that Englishman’s logic.
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Wonder how long this will stay up:
‘HPH:
07 Apr 2016 12:32:01pm
OUB, the apologist for, and the defender of Conservatisms & Capitalism is telling someone else not to play politics.
Ridicule me, OUB
:)’
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Take a bow hph
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🙂
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R Supwood:
06 Apr 2016 11:39:56am
Terry the twisted turd is so keen to get a topic that will not highlight the incompetent, avoiding and evading mates of the right wing team of selfish manipulators and schemers. Rudd to Howard, and especially the odious Abbott is as Sydney to Sydenham. Helen Clarke is a fine candidate. Barnes is a pumped up condom of advisory air.
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Yes. But seems mods only doing 3 hour day.
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Ah – 3.42 pm and now my comment of 12.06 pm comes up. WTF. Oh well, got roast lamb and veg prepared, been to the tip and rural supplies, fitted new hose fittings, whippered snippered stuff with my new electric job. Arthritis in hands (came without warning last year) means I can’t start the 2stroke job. Just can’t pull it out.
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Sorry to hear about your hands but at least you are well enough to do all the work you mentioned above. Good on you. 🙂
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It’s also in wrists. Taking a painkilling anti-inflammatory each day. It’s debilitating but I can manage. Takes ages to do some things and one finger can’t type properly so I am constantly correcting all letters assigned to the left fore-finger – ironically it now does point in two directions. We put in a new big air con unit as wood stove was starting to fall apart and that timing was fortunate as I could not chop or lug firewood anymore (my job). Love just pushing a button. Increase in electricity bill is less than the cost of the wood ! I can still cook okay – just needed a big handle peeler as couldn’t grip the usual. Instead of cutting chooks up my butcher does it for me. Hope I haven’t bored you. Time for a sherry and shut down computer.
Best wishes HPH.
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Always a pleasure to converse with you Vivienne. Enjoy the evening. 🙂
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Vivienne, moderation is really bad and frustrating as well. There is no consistency between posts in a thread. They won’t print my comments and no chance to respond to those who reply to me.
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Meant say yes, love the condom reference.
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Keating, ‘…fundamentally, he’s a cherry on top of a compost heap. The great risk for Malcolm is that he doesn’t remain a cherry, but turns into a sultana.’
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He was critical of the the Liberal Party for their thinking regarding super “If you’re not in the Liberal Party in a pin-striped suit, you shouldn’t be near any money – even if it’s your own” he also described Malcolm Turnbull as a “much more attractive leader than Tony Abbott”.
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How was the show Ace?
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Great Hung, place was full of baby boomer superannuants reliving their youth. (for those who don’t know Mrs A and I saw The Last Waltz revisited last night). It was done really well. They did 20 songs from the concert. Rockwiz, Kevin Borich, Richard Clapton etc.
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I did see the movie years ago,not bad, is the guitarist Robbie Robertson or similar?
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That’s the one Hung, I saw it too about 4.5 hours long. The concert was 9.5 hours long and finished at something like 2:30am. Robbie Robertson broke up the band apparently in 1976 but they reformed in 1983 without him
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Keating was my favorite, especially when in question time.
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I watched a couple of YouTube excerpts last night. “There the Opposition sit, Mr Speaker, palely loitering.”
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What fucking planet are you on?
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Well, I’m not palely loitering!
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Big, I’m too busy trying to write an episode of Foodge seeing you and Emmjay are too lazy or have a terminal dose of ennui.Plus terminal back pain.
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Yes, an overdose of ennui. Sorry about the terminal back pain.
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So bad Mark, I’m going to the doctor
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That’s bad, maybe you can get some indomethacin suppositories to shove up yer arse (they might also be full of wisdom).
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Fuck off nurse
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No, seriously, you can get more indomethacin on board, without risking an ulcer, by shoving it up yer arse.
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God there are some shit articles today, Joel Hodge and Terri Psiakis!
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We should hijack these ones early with something off topic and see how it rus.. I guess the mods won’t allow it nowadays. Who gives a toss about the footy show.
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I’ve tried, I got one up on the footy thing.
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Got a reply against yours lets see how it goes.
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Go for it guys and ladies. Mark, BigM, Algernon and Vivienne.. We are ‘the force’ today. Let’s rub their noses in.. 🙂
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Vale Ronny Corbett
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Son of Zaky:
31 Mar 2016 3:15:09pm
I’m amazed at the amount of time and effort that goes into selecting someone to represent people who spend every waking moment complaining to anyone who will listen about how they’re being ignored by Canberra.
The “bush” is wasted as a place to grow food and taking dogs for rides in the back of a ute – a massive tarpaulin thrown over the lot, a handful of dancing bears and some clowns riding quad bikes with three of the wheels removed, and you have potentially the greatest tourist attraction this country has ever produced.
Maxx:
31 Mar 2016 3:52:01pm
Well bugger me! I never knew that all the whiners on this forum come from the bush. But I will still thank them for the food on my table.
Son of Zaky:
31 Mar 2016 5:02:30pm
If you’re thanking people for the food on that table of yours there’s a good chance that you’ll need to include more than a couple of Chinaman and the odd South-East Asian or two.
And also the unionised labour that off-loaded it from the ship.
The Australian produce which is on your plate and down your front was probably just the stuff the locals couldn’t flog-off overseas – by rights, they probably should be thanking you.
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hah hah hah haaa… 🙂
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He’s an odd one that Zaky. He’s from WA. Had a debate with him. I had to stop for a Random Breath Test about a 100kms east of Perth last year. In NSW of course they set up on the side of the road out of the traffic. Not there, two coppers standing on the double lines (not broken lines) pulling over everyone. They also use equipment they stopped using here 20 years ago. Zaky was completely oblivious to the WHS issues here and thought the coppers here might be smart and pass the test unit through the passenger side.
Zaky appears to me to be one of the Western Australians whose never travelled east.
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Well who, at least you could wank yourself in private instead of doing it here in public as you do.
Can’t see this getting up as my name isn’t R Supwood
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-31/buckmaster-the-screening-room-throws-down-challenge-to-cinema/7287204#comments
If you need to watch an American film to get off I feel sorry for you.
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I see that Sea Monster has got his hand down the front of his trousers today over at The Drum. Back to his trolling best.
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You got in a couple of good ones Ace
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I’ll post my reply to the onanist if it doesn’t get up.
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Looks like it hasn’t so here it is including the thread.
BJ2000:
31 Mar 2016 8:42:30am
I justly speak for Australia’s economic interest when I say that the LNP are the best economic managers.
While the perception of the LNP is currently weak, I need no convincing that the economic fundamentals put in place by this Government are very robust.
I give the LNP a big tick.
Algernon:
31 Mar 2016 10:06:43am
I guess some people are easily fooled then BJ.
What were those economic fundamentals again. Debt and deficit disaster apparently when they were first elected. Now with the debt increased by 80% everything’s hunky dory.
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Sea Monster:
31 Mar 2016 11:12:04am
This type of comment vexes me. You have correctly identified the facile, lightweight and pointless party cheer leading of BJ. But then you respond in kind.
Given the structural problems of the budget and your insistence elsewhere on this page that no cuts be made to large programs you like, what else do you expect to happen to the deficit in two years?
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Algernon (not posted by The Drum
“your insistence elsewhere on this page that no cuts be made to large programs you like”. Please SM point out where I’ve said or ever implied that. Give examples if you can.
Your comments often trouble me here. The way you attack some people, you know the ones I’m talking about. The could be talking about something completely different and there you are having a go at them off topic.
If you’re going to say something substantive then go ahead and say it. Otherwise stop the trolling.
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I was waiting for your reply. They let one through from Viv. Can’t figure the moderation.
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Nor can I Big. I can only guess that calling someone out as a troll is seen as name calling, so it must be disallowed and bugger the context. I didn’t mind BJ’s reply. Doesn’t take itself (for you SM, I don’t know if they are male or female) too seriously, the name says it all too.
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Moderation! What moderation? There is none. it’s controlled by some mysterious hands. I sent more than 15 comments since Monday. Only one showed up, at the stupid Metalheads’ page.
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The moderation is random thats for sure. Last tow days got nearly all up today I reckon its 50%
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Viv got another one through back to Sea Monster. I think it’s a ripper. I find SM to be a sanctimonious git.
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This is the thread: Jean Oliver:
31 Mar 2016 12:12:51pm
Time and again many posters on the Drum have pointed to where the money is to found. Programs don’t have to be cut but subsidies like Negative Gearing, CGF 50% discount, superannuation perks for the well off who can avoid paying correct tax and pay 15% instead, ditch the faux Direct Action, close off shore detention, sort out companies turning over billions but apparently incapable of making a profit. Sea Monster, the deficit can be wiped out quickly if the Liberals stop looking after their business mates and stop allowing the IPA to write the agenda. And then there are the billions wasted on provided a complete ballsup of an NBN.
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Sea Monster:
31 Mar 2016 1:50:04pm
Time and time here on The Drum I have advocated cutting tax expenditures like negative gearing. But that’s not my point.
My point is that people will resist the change. And even then debt deficit will grow while the change takes effect.
Saying “the deficit grew under Liberals” is just as meaningless as saying “interest rates were higher under Labor”. Both fail to take the complexity of the matter into account.
They confuse coincidence with cause.
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Jean Oliver:
31 Mar 2016 4:08:43pm
Who are these people who resist change Sea Monster? It is the Liberal Government doing all the resisting. Then Turnbull slings out his brainfart of States taxing income and then according to my calculations getting no more money because the Feds cease their grants. Then to top it off says no more money for public schools but of course we will continue to give Billions to the private schools. Saying how much the deficit has grown under the Liberals for the last 2.5 years is not meaningless at all, not when they campaigned on the ‘debt and deficit disaster’ which they were going to fix in their first year. I won’t give them an inch of sympathy while they never did the same for Labor claiming all Labor’s spending to save us from the worst of the GFC was reckless and that it was all waste and just school halls and dead people (pink batts). I think the Libs are in fact gutless and ignorant morons. So don’t talk to me about taking ‘complexity of the matter into account’.
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Yes I saw that well done you. Just talks rot. I’ve been saying here yada yada yada… He talks out of his bum. Too much time around the pie cart owner.
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I was going to add that but glad you did instead.
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Good work, Viv, yes, Algy I think that the pie cart owner, Alf the shoe shiner and SM must all be part of the White Shoe Brigade of Queensland, beautiful one day, fucked beyond all belief the next.
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Yes, hph, I put a comment up on the metal story for shits and giggles.
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I’m guessing that SM might be an Honorary member of the WSBQ as he lives at Concord or thereabouts. I’m guessing he visits there often for some mutuality. He gets me though reckons he works 70 hours a week and most days. Yet spends an extraordinary amount of time most days commenting at The Drum. Works in call centre, proof reads depends on what BS he wants to tell on what day.
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“..vexes me.” .. Hah, as if I give a flying duck.
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Now he’s doing the same to vivienne on the same thread. Sea Monster you’re a troll.
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Malcolm is crazy. States to have income taxing powers. How progressive is that. Brain fart, brain explosion – not sure what to call it. Bloody madness.
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Latest piece of back of envolope nonsense from the tories
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Responsibility shifting. It’s nuts.
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Finally got a few up but not the one where I referred to policy pulled from the bumhole of a dead cat.
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All but one today where I thought the new name for a Bernardi and Palmer party could be The Sheep and Dinosaur party.. Can’t see anything wrong with that
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lol 🙂
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All the way with U.S of A.
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How interesting. The Barnes blow job shows 75 individual comments but no cross comments. The Jericho blog has no comments at all. Why is it so?? 🙂
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I think the mod is having a melt down. Can’t cope. It’s ridiculous. You’re doing well though Algy.
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One week of comments then back to normal I expect.
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I think I’m banned again. Can’t get a look in. Posted a very thoughtful comment which had every right to go up.
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It just appeared well over an hour later.
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Whats happened to The Dot. Its disappeared
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No seems to use it anymore, would you like it to reappear?
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Well its not for me to say, what do the other barflies think?
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Not missed. Current layout is good.
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It was just a dot.
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But an historical dot.
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Gawd, articles have been up since before eight, but no comments published by 09:30!
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Me and ewe got up on the Terry Barnes article Big.
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Nice work, Hung, Barnes is morphing into that old Colonel Blimpy who used to write articles at the Bum.
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But Blimpy was more fun. Snifters of Port on the back porch with the Beige coloured statesman complete with their rose coloured view of the world. Given Barnes worked for Beige perhaps they’re nurturing a younger 1950’s view.
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I wonder what happened to Old Blimpy? Perhaps he stumbled into a Union Meeting in a drunken haze and died of shock.
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Perhaps he’s speeding around Goulburn in his gopher.
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Now Algernon got one in for the cause. This is good stuff, SE Queensland etc must be squirming while they watch themselves unravel.
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Yes Alfie’s jaw work is exemplary this week.
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We learn today that Alfie comes from SE Queensland. So does the pie cart owner. Perhaps they collude.
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I saw you and Jean over there today Ace, even Sir Hung got one in and a +1 thanks
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This week off work Hung. Going out for a bit tomorrow and a show tomorrow night.
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Enjoy your time off Ace.
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I noticed that, wants S Qland to leave those bludgers from N Qland/
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I’ve a mate that lives on the Gold Coast. Reckons the IQ drops the further north you go. Also the GC for all its glitter has a criminal underbelly. Wonder which idiot Tory is his local member.
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Algernon:
28 Mar 2016 12:21:35pm
Bruce it’s twice Sinodinos appears to have his snout caught in the trough. I think its particularly interesting that Baird just wants to just cop it on the chin. Now did I say he was guilty of anything, I don’t think I did.
Now I worked for an organisation that had one of his mates appointed to the board and whose appointment was signed off by Baird. When the financial irregularities came to light they had to resign. Guess who’s fingers were all over some of those irregularities.
Now the TURC witch hunt found what against Shorten, nothing I believe. In fact the RC’s bias towards him was extraordinary.
My leader Bruce, what are you talking about. I don’t belong to a political party and never have. Nor am I a member of parliament. Whilst my vote is private I don’t necessarily vote for any particular party.
[Stick it to him Ace, good work]
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Yes having a good outing today only one not published that I can see but then it hasn’t been updated for a while. Bruce should be called Richard
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HPH:
25 Mar 2016 12:27:04pm
“One of todays major parties could win an election with one of the main issues being “STOP THE BOMBS” and withdraw the Australian troops from the Middle East.”
It will happen when horses grow horns.
Both major parties support U.S. foreign policy. After Whitlam’s dismissal, Labor readjusted its self.
🙂
[Spot on my friend]
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Thanks Mark.
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Well a Happy Easter everyone. Don’t know where those who put posts up are. Must have gone away.
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Still here Mrs M is working, I’m bathing dogs and cleaning bathrooms.
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Happy Easter Algernon and everyone. I had the flu for the last ten days. I’m getting better now. 🙂
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Glad you are on the mend, hph.
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That’s no good hph, good to here your getting better
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Thank you Algernon and BigM. A friend gave me a bottle of ‘Dimple’ -aged 12 years- and a packet of ‘Tea Masala’. Good medicine 🙂
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Can’t get a bloody look in!
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Getting a look in some places but not others today.
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Now they’ve closed them off for the weekend!!
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Lunchtime – long lunch.
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90 odd hours by the looks.
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I think Olive was hacked off here, in reply to Alf:
‘Jean Oliver:
25 Mar 2016 12:34:34pm
Your Libs are full of ex-pollie hacks, ex-lawyers for the rich hacks and a pack of ex IPA hacks. You’ve got more ex-hacks than Labor has ex-unions hacks who actually worked with business and the workers at the same time Alfie. Labor may have had a few ex-hack failures but they are far outnumbered by your failures of rorting and thieving hacks.’
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Hacking good stuff there vivienne. The telescope meister was up to his usual nonsense today
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Saw it this morning. One good one made it.
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I loved this little exchange.
Alfie:
23 Mar 2016 10:02:52am
Funny, I don’t hear you questioning the dubious backgrounds of every other contributor to the Drum. You should go to an optometrist to see if they can get your other eye to work.
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R Supwood:
23 Mar 2016 12:10:13pm
All this from a deviate who uses his anus as a telescope to contemplate life from the pre-1945 point of view.
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Alfie:
23 Mar 2016 1:13:06pm
Another sparkling gem Supwood. People like you make it all so easy to encourage voters to turn conservative.
You are all class. Labor deserves you.
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R Supwood:
23 Mar 2016 4:15:53pm
You’re all class too Alfie; low. What about the other parties I study and have voted for? You are so one-eyed, so use a different telescope. And, keep sparkling. It makes us all laugh.
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Alfie:
23 Mar 2016 5:40:56pm
“What about the other parties I study and have voted for?”
Well at least you have ‘studied’ something. But I note you don’t have the guts to reveal who these ‘other parties’ are. BTW, the after bingo knees-up at your institution is not a ‘party’ you can vote for.
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Gawd ! Which article was this on?
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The Terry Barnes spray.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-22/ato-30pc-of-large-private-companies-pay-no-tax/7266454
Sorry but I don’t know what to say to this
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1) Malcolm
2) Tony
3) John
4) John
5) Malcolm
What do these names have in common?
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Christ Almighty, it beggars belief.
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But wonders of wonders Gina has paid a good amount of tax.
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Another ‘laughed my guts up’ moment:
‘Forrest Gardener:
22 Mar 2016 3:32:39pm
SoZ, you really hate other people expressing their opinions, don’t you?
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Son of Zaky:
22 Mar 2016 4:25:05pm
No Forrest, not at all.
Alfie expressing opinions is one of life’s joys. If I didn’t have Alfie, I’d have to buy a hamster. And keep both hands above the desk.’
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My back pain paid off, Hung got up on the Berg article. Berg is now confessing that the government can’t control the economy. Gee whiz Chris, when did you figure that out?
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Yes, I saw that, nice work. Hudson Godfrey gave his briefest comment:
‘Hudson Godfrey:
21 Mar 2016 6:34:16pm
Trickle down economics insults the public by micturating down our backs and telling us its raining!’
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Brilliant. Hudson and I go way back and yes that is very succinct for him/her
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Big M:
22 Mar 2016 9:12:06am
Custard, even Bolt isn’t stupid enough to write ‘one’ when he meant ‘won’.
He probably wouldn’t have changed tenses mid-sentence, either.
[Nice little gem Sister]
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Thanks, Mark, I didn’t think it would get up, but I do believe that poor spelling and grammar reduce the veracity of one’s argument!
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Well done. Been out shopping and just tried to get a few up. One has made it.
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Big day out for Sir Hung Viv, he got a good show 🙂
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It’s interesting how the ABC puts up 6-7 articles on Fridays as if people have ample time to read and respond to them on Friday afternoons !
This has become a trend at the ABC recently…
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Yes, idiotic, they have done that for a while, now. I emailed one author and asked why he put up with it. He reckoned that a little bit of exposure was better than none!
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On Barne’s piece:
‘R Supwood:
16 Mar 2016 12:29:27pm
The article writer is such a good example, a former associate of dud, defective, war criminal Howard. Keep scribbling rubbish for the drum, organised by some unknown insider, and you appear relevant, even prominent. Windsor has something to offer all of us and New Englanders in particular, possibly to save them from chronic Joyce buffoon syndrome. Abbott can be flushed away anytime, but has the qualities of a gaseous floater. I feel deprived of imaginative, progressive, fair government, as declared in policy for the people.’
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Sup does it again. I hit a nerve with the mods today. Most of my comments disappeared into thin air.
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Arse-up is Teflon coated.
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ABC Bastards! I don’t have much luck today either!
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Some moderators are dumb stupid imbeciles who can’t understand abstract thoughts in comments about politics, history and comedy. Give them Justin Bieber, fast & furious, and fitspo they are satisfied. Dumb bastards. 🙂
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Nice to see the R Supwood thinks Adolfs a turd too.
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He should add George that Nat from Queensland and Cory. George looks like a bucket of turds.
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George looks like he’s always up to something, and Cori would be longing to be invited to the Gay Madigras.
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George for mine is unfit to be in the parliament. He is someone of 100 years ago. I don’t know enough about the safe school program but I know a few kids for who struggled through school struggling with their sexuality. George is one of those Queenslanders who think there is no such thing as a poofter and there aren’t any there. Amplifying and misleading in true LNP style. As for Cori he’d have fitted in well in Mussolini’s cabinet. Completely unfit as well
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I reckon they are both suspect.
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Bwahahaha.. this made me crack up 🙂 Well done BigM 🙂
Big M:
15 Mar 2016 7:05:37pm
My mates and I keep telling the census folk that we are Onanists every year. We are hoping to get the government to build a temple right next door.
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Thanks, HPH, just saying it as it is (Alf and me, that is)!
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