The Dump is:
For posting comments that don’t get up at the Drum, and for having a pleasant, mirthful or enlightening off-topic discussion.
It’s not for personal abuse of other commenters.
Please do that somewhere else if you must.
Play nicely or piss off.
However, why doesn’t a poster add a link for us to read and comment on here, much quicker. Maybe we can do a bit more bagging here, not that I speak for the moderators, yet.
NB: Being tiresome and boring, racist, sexist or just plain creepy is not playing nicely.
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The Pig’s Arms exists because a dozen or so years ago our other favourite playpen – the ABC’s Unleashed blogsphere started to go off. Like a sack of prawn heads in the sun. Something had to be done.
Moderation was taking forever. Comments seemed to be rejected randomly – outrageous ones appeared and reasoned ones were pinged. When they released the Drum / Unleashed ….. things actually got worse !
So many pieces from professional writers appear with no obvious merit. And the moderation has become, to put it frankly, appalling.
As a former contributor and a commenter, I was deeply disappointed at the plummeting quality from our pre-eminent media empire. And I resented so many challenging or dare I say, witty or funny posts in which we’ve invested seconds of our precious time – getting the chop.
So here, for all our benefit – is an open slather blog. Copy and paste your best rejected comments here for posterity. Does not matter whether you’re posting on the Guardian, First Dog on the Moon or wherever else.
And sprinkle pointers to the Pig’s Arms amongst your comments. Let’s try to rescue some of the old faithful.
Cheers,
Emm.
Window Dresser's Arms, Pig & Whistle 
Unpublished comment to Runcible Spoon: What have you been up to lately? Reading? Your writing is very good, as is that of the subatomic particle family. [I note the substitution of ‘less’ for ‘fewer’, which makes me shudder, but grant you immunity on the basis of its pleasing evidence of your Australianisation.]
Unpublished comment to a skiting little Little Hadron: Business must be booming, mate; I see you’ve hired an Unleashed ghost writer. A correctly used colon (that’s the thingy with two dots) and several words of more than four syllables. (Please, if you manage to find someone to explain what a syllable is, DON”T strain yourself trying to count to four).
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Is it just me, or has the ABC web site been down for quite a while ?
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Damn slow to not at all, on the updating over the weekend, then tonight it seems to be every thirty minutes. Hard following older blogs though.
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Three front pages simultaneously!
Is this a record? Where is my gramophone!
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I think we’ve either seriously overloaded the Christmas Relief Shift of Moderators or comprehensively pissed somebody in authority right off! (probably another theist! There may even be a conspiracy of them.)
Both blogs on Christmas & religion are now closed for further comment!
I first noticed this morning as I was preparing to let fly a couple of ripe ones that Russ Bickford’s one had shut down and just found this afternoon that Damon Young’s is also closed. It took over 24 hours for some of my posts from yesterday to make the big silver screen on Damon’s topic and now they shut me down.
I feel insulted. I feel miffed. I think I shall let the bile build and boil for a while until I have some ripe ones ready again soon.
Must look in at the Assange/Manning topics.
Merry Blogsmas to all the piglets. May your beers never miss their targets, Merv.
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Not only are they shutting these posts down early, now you can’t even leave a post.
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You are right Alge, it just happened to me!
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So yesterday morning I put a comment on Michael Hutak’s piece on the demise of Harold Park trotts. This morning, no updates. Not mine, Not anybody else’s either.
It was a nice piece of potted history and a shot at entrenched bastardry. And this afternoon ? Zip blog gone from the face of the earth.
Clearly many people have more patience than I – to keep coming back and trying to get some value out of Unleashed. Sigh.
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The joy in beating your head against a wall is when you stop..
As Pope Julius often asked Buonarroti, “When will you make an end..?”
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I doubt this will appear on Bob’s blog. It is in response to what Wallage’s post where he talked about “the mob”.
:::
Hi, look, Mister Wallage. This is One of the Mob, here!
You seem to think that us, mobbies are stupid.
Stupid enough to think that you’re far above us mere mobbies: far more intelligent, more virtuous, more insightful, far… classier than us mobbies.
Stupid enough to believe that the US is a force for good.
Stupid enough not to be able to look beyond the “agenda” which you so love to talk about and to actually see what the disclosures are about.
Stupid enough not to see that the leaks do not only reveal despicable acts committed by America’s gangsters but also by the gangsters of many other countries. (Read a few of those leaks to do with, oh, I don’t know, Saudi, perhaps, Afghanistan, Iran or Lydia, or Scotland, Korea?)
Stupid enough to be uninterested in basic and inalienable human rights vis a vis justice and freedom of speech, to name but two.
Stupid enough not to see that behind your “he’s not a good man” is an agenda, far uglier than that of which you accuse Assange.
Stupid enough to play your silly word games and forget the main game.
Stupid enough not to remember just how similar Howard’s words about Hicks were to those you’ve written here and in your driveling essay elsewhere.
Is that any clearer, sweetie, dahhhhhling?
Sorry, Bob. This is exactly the sort of idiotic sense of class superiority that gives me the utter runs! This is exactly why I’d call Assange “Australian of the Year” and Wallage the village nong!
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Oops, mia culpa!
They’ve published the blessed thing! Who woulda credited it? Completely unpredictable they are that Unleashed lot of moderators. They’ve been tossing out so much of my very nuanced stuff that I despaired -well not really, but I did wonder if it was all worth it at one stage. But now, on the Assange issue, they seem to accept everything.
Don’t know noffin!!
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Atomou – I haven’t commented on any of the Assange stuff as I think I would be the odd woman out and hence probably hung, drawn and quartered. I don’t think publishing the leaks has been a good thing overall. I don’t think we should read what are essentially private conversations.
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Vivienne, you surprise me on two counts: Firstly that you show timidity over your sex. What’s that about? Men or women, when it comes to brains, heart, passion have equal rights. Sex has nothing to do with any of this. You have the intelligence to shut anyone up if they dare mention the fact that you’re a woman. Not an argument, not a criterion for good or bad judgment.
Secondly because another timidity stops you from voicing your opinion. It matters not if a million people have the opposite view to yours. It doesn’t make their opinion any more correct.
As for Assange, there are a number of issues that anger me. Firstly that a single individual is being attacked by the most powerful and most vicious gangsters on the planet. Ruthlessly!
Then, though some cables might be of little value others are indeed very revealing and offer great insight into the workings of those in power. They are not merely private conversations but conversations that affect us, the individuals, the singular, the powerless; and I would very much like to know if my neighbours are conspiring to bomb my house, though I’m not so much concerned about my neighbours who are in the same boat as me but my country’s leaders when they’re conspiring to send my neighbours to war zones. I want to know the true reasons for going off to war, where both, our people and some other people will certainly be killed, maimed for generations and their lives completely destroyed. I want to know if these gangsters are planning anything nasty and I want them to know that I know. If it was only a matter of private conversations the protests by those affected wouldn’t be so blazing. They’d do a Rudd and shrug it off, not call for assassinations, abductions and labellings of “terrorism,” a word so beloved by the Bushes and their putrid administrations.
And this is just the beginning.
But I DO feel myself becoming more and more anarchic in my old age. Perhaps because I have also known the effects of a CIA sponsored junta in Greece and heard my father and uncles talk in similarly passionate tones.
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Yes, I should have written odd ‘person’ out. I do understand exactly what you are saying and feeling. I find it all the more difficult to comment on because of the variety and range of matters which have been published following their leaking. On Unleashed they don’t know if I am male or female or neither (!) so that it not a problem for me. I still think I’ll refrain from commenting at least until I see something which really gets my blood boiling.
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These diplomatic cables are released by Wikileaks. Suddenly I’m reading all over the place this story that “we already knew all that”, as if this were old hat. It’s not. I can’t help but wonder if this is the strategy to undermine the shock. People will very quickly be distracted away from the issue – what our state departments have been doing on our behalf – and Wikipedia will be undermined. Mines, after all, are one thing the State Departments can pride themselves on knowing a lot about….
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To read these things in spy thrillers thinking they are too awful or stupid to be true – or to read them in diplomatic cables – that is not the same thing. We did not know. And now we do we need to watch their games.
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Lehan, the common punters might easily get distracted because they not only have a limited understanding of the significance of these leaks (discoveries, I call them) but they are also too busy to do anything about them, other than to feel some short-term outrage. But the people involved are certainly sharply focused on them because they have to be ready for the political, diplomatic and strategic repercussions.
We, mere plebs know nothing and even when we do know, all we can do is march down the streets and burn a few cars for a day, the significance of which behaviour in near zero when it comes to the decisions made in the political fortresses.
Wars will go on, as always, not because punters want them or don’t but because fortressed interests do.
Wikileaks gives some of us a warm fuzzy feeling that there is a Higher Order above these thugs, looking over our interests but, more importantly, is sends a bit of fear into these bastards. Fear of each other. We, the plebs can do nothing about anything. In fact, we can only obey these gangsters because we are always given the mafia deal: one we cannot refuse.
We, the plebs, march to war because we are made to believe we have to.
Don’t worry about the grimy war monger’s machine of disinformation and fear. It’s meaningless and will get them nowhere, simply because they have removed all our teeth, all our ability to respond in any meaningful way, any way.
They can’t have it both ways: Demolish us and then ask for our support..
Long may Wikileaks go on, either in the hands of brave Assange, or if the wild beasts of unfettered and bloody thirsty capitalism and get him, then, in the hands of some other brave soul.
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I’m annoyed, atomou, that since the sixties these people have been messing with our reality. Not with their hallucinations and mind tricks. By putting their resources behind the media they wanted most to represent the world. We are where we are now because of their tricks, and it isn’t the most ideal path we could have taken. People have lost some of their belief in choices and their ability to deal with dissent. They have made us a shallow pool.
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But a shallow pool has some uses I guess. Reflecting back at those Narcissis…..
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On Dr Jarnecic’s article: “Under Pressure: RBA casts doubt over federal finance
Ahammm…
What’s the odds that as soon as the article was published, a phone call or email went to Liberal Party HQ to round up all the usual suspects to make the initial comments in order to try to establish a certain PoV for subsequent comments.
Not falling for party political partisan propaganda.
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Dunno if they’ll let this one through… it’s not reeeeeeaaaally offensive… is it?
In response to some silly bugger on the ‘free speech’ blog who was trying to say that anyone who takes offense at an insult is actually the guilty party, rather than the deliverer of the insult, because, he argues, it is his choice to take offense… Here’s my response:
So if I were to call you a stupid ignoramus who couldn’t argue his way out of a 7.30 bedtime, you would not be offended?
Or if you were offended, you would be the guilty one for taking offence at my ‘innocent’ remark?
😉
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BTW, the ‘silly bugger’s’ name was, believe it or not, ‘Humanitas’… Obviously a liberal and a practitioner of Newspeak.
🙂
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Sock it to him, atomou. A totally crap argument (by him).
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That’s all I am to you, V, ain’t I? Just another “a!”
I knew I’d get ya one day, goil!
🙂
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I suppose we classicists all look alike, ato…
😉
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Quite so, asty, quite bloody so!
I mean, if all lawyers, accounts, politicians and second hand car dealers look alike, why can’t classicists, musos and porcupinators?
Or priests, pimps and pedophiles?
But yes, certainly, the Big A goes to us the classicists!
A for “adorable ancients!”
(Now that’ll do from you, young Hungsie!)
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Classic indeed. Except, guys, my comment was both addressed to atomou and correctly indented as such. But lovely to know you’re trying atomou. Keep it up. I might make a mistake one day.
In the meantime try not to confuse each other too much.
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Now you’ve confused me, Voice, you say your answer, which was in response to a post of mine, was to atomou? Yet it clearly addresses the issue in the post to which it was a response… please explain?
Or is it just that you have begun to study ‘Newspeak’ under the tuition of Humanitas?
😉
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Reply to atomou’s comment of November 16, 2010 at 11:58 pm.
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This is an illustration of how the indenting works asty. This is what WordPress does if I reply to atomou’s comment. IF my response was to a post of yours I would have used your name. But I didn’t.
As I said, lovely to know you are both trying. How about I include a deliberate mistake one day next week to give you both something to live for? Just let me know. Only to happy to help out.
Best regards,
Your Friend,
Voice
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Voice, are you coding now?
Good.
Now, please, PLEASE help me here. Perhaps there’s something wrong with what I’M seeing here but the only post I see of November 16, 2010 at 11:58 pm. is asty’s!
I looked and looked and looked and asty’s name just won’t go away! Has Euripides bamboozled me that much? If that’s the case then I’d better stop it or I’ll go blind.
What’s going on???
And no, I never letter defeat -mine or anyone else’s- dictate the direction of my relationship. Ask Mrs Ato!
So, we’re safe there… but my eyesight???
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Look again, to. As I said, never aurgue with me when I am coding. Particularly not when I have admin rights.
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Atomou, show me a man who laughs at defeat and I’ll show you a black chiropodist with a sense of humour…
😉
(Sadly not my own; this line belongs to Ronnie Barker, from ‘Porridge’)
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asty, I think I can work out what Ronny meant but I can’t work out the compound: “Black chiropodist with a sense of humour.”
None of the words make any sense when in the same phrase. At least not to my sense of humour. Am I a black chiropodist, as well?
I mean, why “black?” Why “chiropodist?” Are there no black chiropodists around, less so with a sense of humour?
Do white chiropodists have a sense of humour?
This is such an enigma to my Greek twisted foot!
Bon ape tit, Voice!
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Talking of which… look what’s on SBS2 tonight, now, in fact:
Humanimal
Pig Head – Looks at our relationship with the pig. Historically Christians have demonised this animal to remove any qualms about eating it. Pigs are believed to be more intelligent than dogs and are easy to train; and they symbolise wealth and prosperity – hence the piggy bank. They are also seen as friendly in comic strips, cartoons and stories. (From France, in English, French and Dutch, English subtitles) (Documentary Series) (Final) (Rpt) PG CC WS
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Perhaps if I’d spelled it, “Show me a man who laughs at de feet and I’ll show you a black chiropodist with a sense of humour”…?
Any good now?
😉
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Eh, nope!
For all the meaning it conveys to me, asty, you might as well have spelled it like this:
Give me the ear of a singing horse and I’ll give you the beard of a burning corn in Hestia’s hearth!
Even Euripides is easier to understand than the flows and eddies of an Englishman’s humours!
Chiropodist? Black feet?
My broin hoits!
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Hahahhaahahahaha!
Oh, thank goooooooodness!
Admin rights=magic rights!
Pay that one, V! Pay a lot for that one!
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You are a good sport ato. A carping critic might have called it bloody cheek!
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I love good sport, and that was roody brilliant!
Thankses aplenty!
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(I’m sure you realise that I AM only kidding, btw, Voice; and not really being the ‘carping critic’ I was playing at being…)
😉
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Egads! Voice, what have you done to me? Now I look just like atomou… This is sorcery you… you … sorceress; you Circe!
You do realise, don’t you, that this is manufacturing evidence and that all computer code and changes thereto are recoverable, don’t you? Falsifying evidence and purgery before the court are very serious offenses, I’ll have you know… I demand that you remove atomou’s gravatar from my post forthwith or I shall have you up on a charge…
Crikey… and I thought you were such an innocent young woman when I met you… talk about ‘appearances are deceptive’!
😉
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Watch it, asty!
She’ll turn you into a pig, like she did Odysseus’ men!
You better go and dig up some of that black root, called Moly, which Odysseus took before he faced the witch-goddess!
Still, the makeover gave me a video image to chuckle with:
Here we are (in my video image) holding hands and skipping through the cobble streets of Athens, just below the Acropolis! Two little brothers left to play in total abandon; fully in the laps of Joy and innocence!
Or:
Older now and far wiser, you have a lyre in your arms and I stand beside you. We are in the back yard of some wise friend who’s having a party. Poseidon’s drop is flowing.
You play the lyre and I sing (No, we’re not wearing togas, Voice!):
Which of the gods set these two to quarrel, Muse?
It was Apollo, Leto’s son and the son of Zeus, who was enraged by the king of the Greeks, Agamemnon. It was that god who had brought a cursed plague upon the army of the Greeks and killed its men, because that king, the son of Atreus, had insulted Chryses, the Trojan priest, Apollo’s priest.
So my video image goes…
Are you chuckling?
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I sure am ato… chuckling that is… For a moment there Voice had me thinking I was schizophrenic and that you were my ‘alter ego’…
Hmmm, for Circe to turn piglets into pigs isn’t much of a trick ato… all it takes is a little time… Maybe she’s losing her touch.
😉
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I must say I love your video image of you and I as brothers playing among the ruins of the Acropolis… Wonderful imagery!
🙂
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No togas? Oh well, it’s your fantasy, not mine.
“Hmmm, for Circe to turn piglets into pigs isn’t much of a trick ato… all it takes is a little time… Maybe she’s losing her touch.”
That sounds like a challenge T2. Time now: 8:22 PM.
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8:39PM. Well, I think that’s it, T2. Might take some time to show. I’ll check again tomorrow to see what you look like. 🙂
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Now Voice… play nice…
😉
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Or should I just stand back and see how you fare in atomou’s next Altered Account of the Ancients when he realises the implication of you calling me Circe for making you look like him!!!
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Implications, Voice?
🙂
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Assumption: Circe turned people into pigs.
Assumption: Astyages is a person.
Assumption: Voice turned Astyages into atomou.
Assumption: Voice is Circe.
The corollary is less than flattering to atomou. Clearly, when you made the comment, you were feeling brave. 🙂
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Not at all, Voice!
I’m a very proud little piglet!
I get some funny pink drinks, some funny beer, some funny pies from granny, all for free, mind you and I get to meet some very funny people!
Love it!
Nothing unflattering about being a piglet.
As for Circe, there’s Homer’s Circe and there’s this pub’s Circe. Different species of Circe altogether. Believe me, I know Homer’s Circe very, very well!
ALTOGETHER different species!
🙂
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Just stirring T2, atomou. Can’t you PRETEND to be upset? Oh well, too late now. Sigh. Looks like I’ll have to do my own dirty work. Off to eat dinner. Bonne soirée à vous deux.
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Bonne soiree, et bon appetit…
🙂
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I just tried to get onto the anti-Greens blog to post a brief comment, but for some reason couldn’t do it… apparently they’ve decided they’ve had enough at 544 comments. I haven’t read the comments yet, having only just read the blog. What I wanted to say was simply this:
“I see… so now it’s Greens under the bed, is it?”
You know, the moment Aussies learn to overcome their fears, our leaders are doomed to a democracy whether they like it or not (and believe me, they don’t!). The question for ordinary Australians would seem to be do we want to live in a left-wing, or a right-wing totalitarian society?
At one point in reading that blog, I could’ve sworn he was about to use the words ‘heresy’ or ‘blasphemy’ or other quaint and amusing antiquities… In fact I was tossing up whether or not to just post:
“Heresy! Blasphemy! Burn the unbelievers!”
But I doubt that would have made it past the censors.
🙂
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asty , it was only a temporary glitch, the Andrews blog soon returned to normal…
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In Katie Weiss’ “When did Fascism become sexy” I posted this URL and a note that this particular Nazi uniform is one I find rather erotic.
http://reenacting.bdmhistory.com/uniform.html
Sob, post didn’t appear. Hah! Am I a sicko? Probably but that’s nobody else’s business.
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I wrote something about Katie Weiss’ article possibly being our Friday Fun , our Mufti day, our bit of naughtiness…I don’t remember the exact words, but pretty harmless, the mods did not find it amusing, at least Gerard did.
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I find them only slightly so, Tomo; perhaps I’m only moderately unwell… a little poorly perhaps?
😉
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They DO amaze me, the mods at unleashed. They’ve posted much more direct hits at Andrews than mine, so I’ve no idea why they’ve refused the following. (I’ve sent it the moment Andrew’s foul article appeared):
Hell!
I’ve attended some boring lectures and read some boring essays but this one by Mister Andrews had me yawning by the second sentence and gritting my teeth by the third. By the fourth I began to let out some mild but sad chuckles and after that the words rolled up like prompter out of control.
If I wasn’t convinced before never to vote for the Libnats I certainly am now; and if I had the slightest doubt about voting for the Greens before, there isn’t the slightest hint of that doubt any more.
Desperate stuff, Mister Andrews.
I can see the flushed pulpit face of a ranting proselytiser, wildly slashing the air with the sacred texts of Mormon.
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My very carefully worded post on the Andrew’s piece (something about him being a nut case and a fruitcake) has not gone
up.
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My fruitcake comment is now posted. Wonders will never cease. Interesting that a comment posted in the morning did not appear by 5 pm on the same day.
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Saw it there, Viv, but not my ‘Katie Weiss’…sooo unfair !
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This one’s kind of important I think.
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/41008.html
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Why Lehan? Looks like a very mundane and even boring post to me… which probably explains why I haven’t read it…
🙂
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Anyone else noticed the vile posts on some Unleashed articles appearing with such frequency. The moderator is doing nothing. Made me feel quite sick this morning.
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where, exactly, vivie?
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(Had to fill name and email address in – system changing?) Helvi, it is on the one regarding compensation for stolen
generation – legal case. Rescued, not stolen, got a whitey education. A lot of venom in majority of posts. Also, the
vaccination one has a heap of utter rubbish in it which is fortunately being constantly refuted by a few learned
posters. The one earlier regarding Tamils got rather out of hand but seemed to be all from Tamil/anti Tamil people.
Quite extraordinary.
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The ‘anti-Tamils’ are the Sinhalese, Viv…
🙂
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Viv, I posted someting on the last Milne article, I agreed with someone who was slightly critical of ABC; my post did not see the daylight, and the original critical post disappeared as well, yet it was all very civil…sometimes I think you have to be vile to be accepted…
I am trying different approaches…just for fun 🙂
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You may have a point, H; the more you sound like a raving lunatic the less of a danger you are; reasoned comment from reasonable individuals, however, is a serious threat to their status quo, especially if that reasoned comment is critical of the ABC because then people might just believe it!
🙂
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Someone calling him/herself ‘Brain Fade’ (appropriately, I thought) was suggesting on the ‘freedom of speech’ blog currently on ‘Unleashed’, that such rituals of humiliation such as the Orange Day marches in ‘Derry were okay and that people who got offended at such parades of public abuse ‘were offended over nothing’. My first attempt at replying to his post didn’t make it past the censors; I’ve tried again, but for the historical record, in case it’s blocked again, I simply said,
” ‘… they get offended over nothing’
The eternal excuse of the psychopath to continue behaving antisocially, like a bully!”
Can’t think why such a post was blocked myself…
😉
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I doubt they’re going to let my answer to Gigaboomer’s response to my ‘escaped catholic’ crack get past the censors:
Sod off Gigaboomer! Your fairytales no longer frighten anyone, so you can take your ‘hell and damnation’ and stick it where the sun don’t shine.
😉
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Hmmm. Direct personal abuse. Right wing loonies only allowed to do this, T2.
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I’m trying a change of pace Emmjay, since reason and politeness won’t work with this particular idiot. As you know, it’s not usually my style…
😉
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Quite so, Emm! In fact, they’re encouraged to do so! In fact, if none have written in, UL will make some up and send them in themselves!
But then again, that makes us “loonie lefties” look a lot more civilised in the eyes of the civilised.
I usedta get all het up once with that sort of crap but now, when the bulshit is too toxic for my eyes, or my heart or my Zorba soul, I turn the steering wheel away and get back to Sophocles… or Homer… or Dr Seus.
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But atomou, given a choice between Gigaboomer and Zeus’ eagles, I’m sure Prometheus would choose the eagles!
In christian terminology, ‘He’d make a saint swear!’
😉
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I mean, he actually had the nerve to threaten myself and other atheists with ‘Hell and Damnation’…
I also posted another response to him, not abusive, but informing him that his posts were always so hateful that he could certainly not be a christian, so why did he bother? Was he really out to damage the christian faith by his association with it? If so then I suggested he should carry on posting, but that if he wanted to benefit the faith at all, he should quit! I’ve a feeling that post isn’t gonna get a guernsey either!
😉
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Must be tough being threatened by the unbelievable with the non-existent. Oooh, quaking in your boots, I’ll bet you were T2. 🙂
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Oh, no! Not the eagle! No!
Give me Herakles! Give me Herakles!
But you see, asty, I think we’ve got the Christian mind set all wrong! They are right wingers first and foremost. Punishment, strength, torture, unbearable pain, steel pricks piercing through your flesh, blood squirting from a thousand self-inflicted corporeal chasms! That’s their thing!
Forget the wimpy and woosey Jesus before Pontius Pilate! Theirs is the jesus of the crown of thorns and the twelve stations of the cross, the nails, the plunging of the javelin into his belly, the vinegar…
Theirs is the way of “we must feel the pain to be saved!”
Where do you think Mussolini learned his ways? Or Abbott? Or Blair? Or Bush? Or Howard? Or Thatcher? Or Francisco Marco? Or Augusto Pinochet?
That’s the Christianity that’s appealing to those mongrels!
You and I and a whole lot of others out there and in here are simply not Christians. We might have read their books but we never were nor ever will be true Christians; nor true Muslims, nor true Jews, nor anything that’s remotely connected with pain.
Giga is the prime paradigm of a mongrel Christian/Muslim/Jew. They’ve inflicted their philosophy of torture upon a huge chunk of the world and they’ll probably continue to do so for many years to come.
Alas!
Give me Zorba!
“To live, is to undo your belt and look for trouble!”
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I was quaking alright Emmjay, but not with fear, with anger! I’d had enough of that malarky already when I was a child…
😐
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Had he been present in person, atomou, I may well have ‘undone my belt and looked for trouble’!
😉
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What a week it has been. I thinking Bob Ellis is going mad and I think Nicole is a bloke. I still hate Howard. The oysters this week weren’t worth buying.
I am going to see Metallica next month.
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Pearl Jam Viv?
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Not really. Daughter’s bloke suddenly couldn’t make it to Melbourne and the precious, expensive ticket was going
to be wasted so I’m going instead. I don’t mind a bit of head banging but I would prefer some Midnight Oil
stomping.
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Yes, The Oils, a good band
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How about some yodeling by Frankie Ifield.
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Good grief! Not if I can help it.
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Had a precooliar week myself Viv, of which I won’t mention the worst but the best. There’s a great possibility that a lovely theatre group will stage my translation of Sophocle’s Electra in Castlemaine, next April.
I’d love that!
I’d go and see it with Mrs Ato and maybe a couple of friends.
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Congratulations.
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In Lauren Rosewarne’s “Sex will tear us apart again”
Matthew Brown was puzzled:
“Too infatuated to consent… what on earth does that mean?”
It means that, even if she said “Yes’ at the time, certain persons would like to be able to persuade a court that, being infatuated, she didn’t REALLY mean it and therefore he (or they) who were there at the same time, or somewhere nearby, or within cooee, are rapists.
(Did I get it right, Melinda?)
It’s about removing a woman’s right to consent and transferring that right to a panel of wymmyn (selected by means unspecified) so that men can be prosecuted successfully for rape some time after the act.
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This one’s in response to Tracy Quan’s “The Pubic Wars”
While I have never attempted to persuade or dissuade any of my women friends from whatever level of personal grooming they may wish to achieve, I will make the point that getting all panting and sweaty in the unmanicured shrubbery has all the appeal of a quick stroke while holding a pot scourer.
I’m in favour of the well-trained topiary, purely in self-defence.
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All long beards with pieces of yesterday’s toast and dried out egg should be immediately whipper-snipped and/or slashed…
Neatly ones a la David Stratton are permissable, maybe I’m biased here because I like a man who likes a good movie.
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My post (above) lasted less than six hours. It did appear – then disappeared.
Helvi, none of the ladies have ever complained about my beard. It was very full while I was riding motorcycles – that’s to keep the frost and flying insects off the tender facial skin.
These days it’s a very Victorian construction, full, but with sidewhiskers trained rather like the handlebars of the late Professor Jimmy Edwards. I do not give any women the opportunity to comment in person and I trim it up only when leaving the property, about once a month or so.
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This is a pre-emptive post to “Leashed” because I’m confident that my post to the ABC will be censored.
Re: Melinda Tankard-Reist “Because all women must be brought to their knees”
Melinda’s article reminded me of another posting I had seen on the ABC website.
Here’s the URL http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/26/2754284.htm
It seems of me that Tankard-Reist (and her coterie of cheerleaders) deny the existence of the concept of fantasy and the ablity of any healthy adult to separate fantasy and reality.
Perhaps they’re all opposed to fantasy on some “principle of morality”, believeing instead that life and our living of it should be unrelieved by all forms of play.
Maybe Melinda (and her groupies) would be happiest living in a separatist enclave, perhaps on a remote Pacific island where they can remain unperturbed by the fiendish machinations of men.
It sounds like a worthy cause to me, and I’d be willing to contribute a small amount from my pension towards the cause.
Who else would help make Melinda happy?
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I’m reminded of a pottery exhibition I tried to attend in Glebe many years ago. I was told by a very practically dressed young woman at the door that I wasn’t welcome because the pottery on display was all created by a lesbian separatist commune and, being male, I was likely to misconstrue the works, due to my phallocentric world view one supposes, and that was not acceptable to the potters.
As Joe Jackson once opined, “if there’s war between the sexes then there’ll be nobody left.”
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I bet you weren’t even wearing bib and braces, were you, Waz ? Insensitive bastard. 🙂
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Weird things happening on Unleashed – my posts are appearing. Got a front pager this arvo too.
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Some bugger was scurriously used my name (well Algy) and wrote some rubbish. They allowed my reply to be posted.
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Viv, I never understand why the moderators would not accept your posts; to me they always seem so sensible, and they are never nasty. I’m sure even your censored ones are better than the most appearing there!
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Same here of course. One which did not get up the other day was ‘Nicola, are you in love with Joe Hockey” (or whatever her name was. They post a lost of basically offensive rubbish as well as those very long boring ones.
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Here’s one I doubt will be published in response to Ban Muck Up Day! by Mike Stuchbery.
The article opens with “Reading the papers lately, it seems that we find ourselves in the midst of some kind of dystopian bacchanale. We read of youths, clad in shredded uniforms that bear the scrawls of their peers, wandering the streets with makeshift weapons, ready to rain terror on their oppressors, other wandering gangs and the general public.”
My response was as follows:
“Mike – my interpretation of a bacchanale is a musical piece for accompaniment with the depiction of a /bacchanal/.
Even so, the idea of anarchistic gangs walking the streets with weapons does not evoke the image of bacchnalia. Perhaps the way maenads act may seem like a fitting analogy, but a gang is not a group of raving, mindless, drunken revellers prone to outbursts of violence, rapture and glossolalia – it is hierarchical and calculating.
I do hope you spend your time in class using the English words you feel comfortable with, and less time using words like you have today; an attempt to dazzle unleashed readers with the sheer brilliance of your towering edifice you consider your vocabulary to be.”
My view is if you are going to use language, in particular florid language, it is advisable you know which words you are using. He chose bacchanale with intent – and one who knows enough about Bacchus and bacchanalia should also know enough to distinguish the difference between a bacchanal and a bacchanale.
Somehow though, I think this one wont make it past the moderators.
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Let’s hope it does get through, Jayfa.
One of the things about the Drum / Unleashed I find surprising is how pedestrian some of the long-term ABC luminaries are – when left to expose their inner thoughts unchecked. Presenters who for years have apparently just read from autocues, suddenly imagining that they can write stuff that’s interesting, entertaining, funny, or any of the three scare the pants off me.
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Some mercies are indeed small but thanks Zeus for them, anyhow!
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So you are not saying what you appear to be saying. Glad my confusion is cleared. Thought you had gone gahgah for a while there.
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Vivienne, I NEVER say what I think I’m saying!
Plato’s “forms” have completely screwed up my brain back during the Uni years and I vane’t been right since. I think, then I think that I thought something, then when I think I can say what I think, I think I get get all my thoughts back to front!
Can never work that out.
BUT, I’ve noticed that another person – I think a certain Elizabeth- had her identity stolen as well, so she had to inform the readers of that; which makes me think that the mods don’t know who’s who in the cathedral and what’s what in the larder. Perhaps this other atomou didn’t know the nick was already used by me… though I find it strange that we would be diametrically opposed in matters political.
As the Bulgarians would say, Mais, je ne sais pas!
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I wonder if this little trick will work:
I’ve posted on UL (the Hicks page) simply as “atomou” the following words:
“Actually, the thing is, Hicks has done nothing wrong to any nation. He might have made some personal blunders that have affected his own personal life but he has committed nothing sinister against any nation. Not that of the USA, nor that of Australia.”
I wonder if it will see the light in the fire of UL’s platonic cave. Maybe the mods will be asleep when it gets there.
But I’ve answered some really obnoxious posts by Sea Mendez, OmMarit and this atomou impostor, all to no avail. Thoroughly pissed off, I am. Perhaps some nasty moron is checking us all out and will post under all out nicks.
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Hahahaha!
It was published immediately!
Now what do you folks make of that?
Woooooohoooooo!
Unbloodybelievable!
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I am very relieved your comment was posted. Unleashed is in great need of such well-reasoned comments.
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