The Dump is:
For posting comments that don’t get up at the Drum, and for having a pleasant, mirthful or enlightening off-topic discussion.
It’s not for personal abuse of other commenters.
Please do that somewhere else if you must.
Play nicely or piss off.
However, why doesn’t a poster add a link for us to read and comment on here, much quicker. Maybe we can do a bit more bagging here, not that I speak for the moderators, yet.
NB: Being tiresome and boring, racist, sexist or just plain creepy is not playing nicely.
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The Pig’s Arms exists because a dozen or so years ago our other favourite playpen – the ABC’s Unleashed blogsphere started to go off. Like a sack of prawn heads in the sun. Something had to be done.
Moderation was taking forever. Comments seemed to be rejected randomly – outrageous ones appeared and reasoned ones were pinged. When they released the Drum / Unleashed ….. things actually got worse !
So many pieces from professional writers appear with no obvious merit. And the moderation has become, to put it frankly, appalling.
As a former contributor and a commenter, I was deeply disappointed at the plummeting quality from our pre-eminent media empire. And I resented so many challenging or dare I say, witty or funny posts in which we’ve invested seconds of our precious time – getting the chop.
So here, for all our benefit – is an open slather blog. Copy and paste your best rejected comments here for posterity. Does not matter whether you’re posting on the Guardian, First Dog on the Moon or wherever else.
And sprinkle pointers to the Pig’s Arms amongst your comments. Let’s try to rescue some of the old faithful.
Cheers,
Emm.
Window Dresser's Arms, Pig & Whistle 
Mick Gooda and Margaret White are now leading the Royal Commission. That looks a hell of a lot better now.
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Martin stepping down was good. But they could have got it right the first time. They remain pathetic.
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With all those videos of kids being assaulted repeatedly and mercilessly; has anyone been charged yet? I mean chucking kids on the concrete and pulling their pants down. Isn’t that child abuse?
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I think so Gerard. But apparently we need an RC to investigate these alleged abuses. The video shows what happened ….. but…. we have to get to the bottom of this somehow. Weak as piss, isn’t it.
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Regardless of the RC, if any of us were shown on video to abuse and assault children we would be charged. Weak as piss alright.
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Is it alright to assume anyone who gets tortured will be sued by the Government from now on? What about those on pensions, the disabled or those elderly folk in care or in the Blue-Haven retirement homes? Could they be next on the list?
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Only those carelessly overusing hearing aid batteries and incontinence pads.
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I have hidden my pads in the dog-house. It pays to be careful!
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Just goes from bad to worse to horrific. Weak as piss Turnbull.
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Can’t believe the stupidity. Turnbull could have endorsed Rudd who would then have been passed-over by the UN in favour of someone else. (Possibly Helen Clark of NZ)
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Yes and yes. On the international stage we are not only sadistic and beat children in detention, we also don’t have the guts to nominate an Aussie to the UN position. The world must think we are piss poor and we are thanks to gutless pathetic judgment free zone Turnbull. Imagine how things would be on the Drum – the place would be on fire with comments.
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And while I’m at it – the Drum and no comments anywhere on anything on ABC. The Libs go on about their love of freedom of speech and how they hate being shut down and all that bull they complained about. Well we have no voice at all ! Liberals are all bastards.
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Yes, It’s the Libs that should be in detention and hosed down. Could not think of anything more cheerful to contemplate than to get the whole mob’s pants pulled off and given a good lesson in freedom of expression.
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All that Turnbull has demonstrated here is that he’s a lame duck PM. Compare Rudd for all his faults has strong diplomatic skills especially in the Asia Pacific region to Hockey the failed everything and the fascist right pick, being Australia’s Ambassador to Washington. The reality is that Rudd won’t get the job anyway.
Weak and gutless, a failure and beholden. This week seems to reinforce that we’ll be back at the polls very soon and that the LNP is about to rip itself apart. Even the RC in the NT is an exercise in damage control rather than doing anything of value. Its terms of reference are too narrow. Strong leadership would see the NT Mayor dismissed and an Administrator installed.
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The first thing to do was to sack the NT government – just a big overgrown local council with a bunch of lib/nat thugs running the show. Absorb the territory back into South Australia. My first words were sack em and install adminstrators. We are as one Algy. We need some very cheery music !
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Alas I haven’t had the time this week vivienne. Yep the NT is a glorified LGA and should be run from somewhere else apart from Darwin. Bit like Tasmania where it took just 26090 to elect a Senator. They should be absorbed into something else as well.
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Am I correct in saying that our ABC is now the only on lines news service which does not allow any comments? Outrageous? Liberal meddling?
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Maybe it’s a temporary resource thing. Maybe someone’s off sick. Maybe it’s permanent.
It seems a bit lonely without the comments.
But if you’re desperate to comment, you can comment on the stories on their Facebook page.
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Thats if your on Facebook I guess.
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It does not do it for me. Still too narrow in what can be commented on.
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Elferink: “You want a ride back into town now or what?”
Hanna: “I have my own ride, thanks. Thank you very much, Minister.”
Elferink: “I thought you wanted to have a go on the bike, that’s all.”
…….
Hahaha he thought he was going to get a freebie from Caro Meldrum-Hanna.
He would make a great SS officer — Funning psychopath
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And the Territory wants statehood. Yet they let animals treat children like that. The minister I mean what a joke he is, yet he has many ministries. Listening to the excuses from people who are positions of authority is sickening. One wonders what Pantsdown might think or say soon.
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Yes, Elferink is rewarded by taking a break from the corrections portfolio, but stays of as attorney General. All functioning well in NT.
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The NT government should be sacked. Put in an administrator – they do that to councils. Idiots and thugs running the show – end it. Selling the port to Chinese was appalling and proof they are brainless bruts.
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After watching these video images, it’s normal human reaction to blame people. I prefer to blame ‘the system.’ These children may be described as ratbags and criminals by people who are effected by their petty (or otherwise) criminal activities but the reality is, most of these children have severe mental health problems. This is not just a ‘law & order’ issue. What we are seeing in these images is pure U.S. style “three strikes, you are out” punishment and torture. There should be a more humane way to rehabilitate these children; first, by use of our Universal Health Care system, and second, by examining ‘our way of life’ to identify the conditions that create mental health problems in our society. Demonising one section of the society and focussing on a child hooded and strapped to a chair in a prison cell and then setting up a royal commission is not the way to go. Alcoholism, gambling, drugs, right wing individualism and free choice, lack of parenting, teachers are not allowed to say (or teach) what is right and what is wrong to children anymore; these are some of the problems.
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Can’t see any rehabilitation happening. All punishment.
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Yes Vivienne. sad but true.
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Apparently Brandis appointed himself chief scrutineer at the Herbert recount.
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Must have nothing better to do.
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Ivanka Trump delivers Michelle Obama’s speech grom 2008 and thought no one would notice. If Donald gets up it wil be a case a of dumb and dumber. Looks like the Republicans could teach the Liberals a thing or two about putting lipstick on a pig.
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Melania not Ivanka
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I was waiting for that correction.
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Ivanka presented her father. Fancy no living presidents attending the convention. A “C” team turns up and all dissent shut down. Yet the yanks could be that stupid and make him President.
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Apparently the Bush mob are not totally stupid.
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Apparently Trump is modelling his campaign on that of Nixon in 1974. No warning signs there apparently. This blokes a modern day Hitler. Perhaps he’s smart and the yanks are incredibly stupid and will vote based on any old crap dished by him.
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So good to see Pauline Pantsdowns be shat upon from a great height on Q&A. She vomits ignorance. She is revolting utterly revolting.
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She males Alfie sound intelligent.
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All this fear and fear and more fear. It was a good show for exposing the utter horribleness of she who passes for a human.
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Imagine 6 years of this garbage from this grub. Delusion suggests she’ll win 7 senate seats. Thanks Malcolm
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And no Drum to let off steam ! The wilful ignorance is beyond description. For this scum we can thank smartarse Turnbull.
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In the Coalition it seems if you are not a Minister you are an Assistant Minister. Ridiculous!
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Jobs for the fools
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Not open to comment. Verrender does a good piece today.
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ABC analysis and opinion. Now all are pontificating on world news/affairs. Silly buggers not even aware May appointed a Brexit Minister – not Boris’ job !
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Well they are all experts on many subjects. The Murdoch toady has wrecked the place.
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Aren’t they just. Wild speculations and when I was in England half a life time ago and blah blah blah. splerkkk
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I was speaking with some friends just after the Brexit vote. One of them English who’s a Professor at one of the universities and had been in England as well who would have grown up through the Thatcher years. The other who hadn’t been there. Like you I lived there for a period. The one who hadn’t been there waxed on about her, The English born and myself looked at on another and both said well it depends which side of Watford Gap you live. He worked in Durham and spoke of the miners who would march on a particular day complete with bands yet the mine had been closed down for years.
We all agreed though we don’t know what it will mean going forward.
Can you imagine though. Boris rising to the occasion. Trump as President and Adolf rolling Turnbull. The boofheads of the world rise up!
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signing in.
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Last night’s Q & A was a ripper.
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That Steve Price is all arse. Seems to love verbal violence and abuse. George Brandis was liberal with the truth.
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Steve Price is the scum of the Earth. And the best cleaning agent is Hydrochloric acid.
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Price is a feculent dag on the hair of Australia’s anus.
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Why the brouhaha about closing the drum last week. There’s a post up for comments.
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Yes, saw that 30 minutes ago. No explanation at all.
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In-house author and on normal ABC News site with ABC News staff. They’re the changes they flagged.
I”m interested to see if they stick with the in-house author thing.
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To a certain extent that’s what most of them were. I agree If this is the new world how long before they change
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Fascinating, but now they’ve got this : This article was originally published in The Conversation. Read the original article.
Victoria Honeyman is Lecturer in British Politics, University of Leeds.
…..who is not an ABC staffer.
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The ABC has links with TC. When Factchecks was stopped, TC took over, but probaby academics doing it for free. Likewise plenty of Conversation articles have been republished on the Drum. Likewise, they are probably free!!
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Yes, that’d be it.
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This is from their website:
“The Conversation is a collaboration between editors and academics to provide informed news analysis and commentary that’s free to read and republish.”
“We are committed to knowledge-based, ethical and responsible journalism. You can republish our articles for free. We have no paywall.”
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WTF?
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Lehan gone. Very sad to hear. I was worried out her state of mind and I just didn’t know what to say on her last contribution. She often wrote things of great insight on the Drum but was ignored.
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I’ve got my Pigs Psalms No.6 flying duck on my desk.
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Very close to dropping a tear or two into my cream sherry.
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I went back to her post of 1 April and did.
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fuck…
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I’m gutted
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She was one of us
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Mark, do try to not dwell on it. Please.
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Just got home from work and read the news. Shocked, yet, in some ways, not surprised. Lehan was a paradox, very private at times, yet often wore her heart on her sleeve, in her art and her comments. She had great intelligence, and great stamina, and chipped away at those bastards at the Drum like she was sculpting. Like many talented people, she was rather self depreciating. In short, I liked her, and hope some of her art will live on at the Pigs Arms. I suspect that Merv is making room above the mantle.
Vale Lehan.
Yes, Mark, it’s well fucked up, Sister.
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Felt really sad yesterday Viv. Today is a new day with things to do, it’s sunny here and windy and I’m trying to get all the washing done that I should have did prior to the rain. Too much procrastination. Thanks for your tip Nurse Barbara. 🙂
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I’m sad, sad, sad, and shocked! …. Just last week she was with us on the drum! How can this happen so soon?!.. how ?….. Tears .. yes… Vivienne….
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Has she died?
What a very sad thing! When, how and how do you guys know?
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Atomou, It’s on the front page of this site. (Emmjay knows)
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‘Mou, I received a private Email from Lehan’s sister. I don’t know how she died. I don’t think it matters. The sad thing is that after a long fight with the black dog, she’s gone.
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Thanks guys. Our daughter saw a notice on her face book page.
A very sad loss but a great relief for her. Vale, indeed, Lehan.
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Closed for the last time. Vale
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Vale the Drum. The Drum is dead, long live the Dump.
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:):)
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Yes, long live the Dump. The Drum has been headijg down the pan for a long while, I guess it was inevitable.
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A real shame Big, nearly a decade I reckon.
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I thought I started at Unleashed in October 2007. from memory it had only been going about two weeks then. It was the lead up to the 2007 election. I found that often I’d spend time there when I should have been working. At least they kept the posts open for two weeks instead of the day. The early days were fun. Nowaday the political staffers and party member mushrooms pollute the place. Much of the fun and camaraderie of the place had gone as a result.
At least the Pigs Arms is still going.
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That’s my recollection too Algy. I remember one on climate change and two or three chaps debated for days on end with amazing information and detail.
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Chip has just written his first and last piece for the Drum. Farewell etc.
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I posted early on Chip and it’s not up. Bugger.
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I got a few in Viv. I reckon keep trying, this is our last chance to have a go at the ex Murdoch maggot who they put in charge of the ABC. Shut things down, outsource others, sell it off, sound familiar.
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Did another – no go.
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Jean is on
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Now some are up. My first was the most relevant. turning off
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Its weird, just came back from Medicare and noticed the first one I put up is now fourth on that. Got another one up against yours. Hopefully a third advertising the Pigs.
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All the best Algernon, see you over at the Pigs Arms. BTW I voted Labor as I’m now in a marginal seat and for the first time in my voting career felt as though my vote counted. Labor lost the seat but it did go down to the wire. The Liberal candidate won, Ann Invisible her name is.
Just posted this, can’t see it getting up. I did get to kick off one of the Iraq war pieces, pretty amazing that I beat the yank.
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WSDD:
08 Jul 2016 8:03:59am
Shorten, has said, ” Turnbull’s” problems are just beginning!
Hardly a conciliatory opening, to help the $15 m voters.
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Sea Monster:
08 Jul 2016 8:49:03am
Who are these fifteen million dollar voters and why do they need help?
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WSDD:
08 Jul 2016 10:12:23am
Ha ha. Too used to putting dollar signs in my iPhone, Sea.
I ll take this opportunity to correct my post, too.
Shorten used the word, nightmare, as if he intends to haunt Turnbull and thwart him from functional government.
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Algernon:
08 Jul 2016 10:52:04am
Yes I agree SM where’s my $15m.
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Alfie:
08 Jul 2016 11:48:24am
“where’s my $15m.”
Typical leftard Algernon – always after someone else’s money.
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You’ve got to wonder about the little turd brain Alfie. No humour in him at all. One won’t miss the manure he writes.
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I suspect that Alfie is some Liberal computer generated troll. It’s too stupid to be human.
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Gee there is some pure unadulterated shit been written there at the Drum today. Strike rate of 1;5. Lets hope the final hurrah is a good one.
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On a lighter side: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-07/extremely-rare-two-headed-prawn-found-at-queensland-aquarium/7578234
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Last day, bst register at The Guardian. I’ve put in a plug for the Pigs as well
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The only one not getting up though today is the ad for the Pigs. Need to have another go.
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It got up!
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You’ve scored big time today Algy. Well done.
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Algernon:
08 Jul 2016 12:23:58pm
What nonsense FF. You are using two two separate arguments and conflating them.
The government is trying to privatise Medicare by stealth. Try this for example. I saw a specialist today as I have for a few years. They charged the same as they have for those few years. The difference is that I get $37 back now where it was double that two years ago.
Yes perhaps some things need to change but that doesn’t mean privatisation. Perhaps the medicare levy could be raised 1%, but we can’t do that the Liberals would scream a great big new tax!
The point I make about a co payment is that I can afford it. there are those I know where its the difference between eating or seeing someone about a medical condition.
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[Spot on Ace, 100% agree]
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All but two up. One with the Pigs http in it and the other in reply to the idiot Alfie. pointing out he should lighten up with the thread I posted here. Even the walker saw the humour of his own making.
Nice to go out a winner. I’m AlgernonBennelong at the Guardian.
Freddy is a twit, He doesn’t get that forcing people to pay even a small amount will stop them from seeking help, has no idea what universal health care means. Seems hed prefer the system of 50 years ago when people died of preventable illnesses rather than see a Doctor. What a sad excuse they are.
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Is the Guardian free? Looked at it today and thought would blog as Sir Hung
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Well I got this email with a list for commenting. I guess it is. Viv might be able to tell us more.
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I see Freddy was a f%@kwit to the last Hung
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Couldn’t help himself Ace.
I have just created an account at the Guardian as SirHung, hope to see you there.
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Guardian is free and easy to sign up to comment on anything where comments are open. I comment occasionally and sometimes often on one thing. VJOliver at the Guardian.
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At Independent Australia I am Stuffed Olive. I comment on and off depending on the article. You’ll generally find you’re in company with a lot of like minds. Optional to pay to become a member. I’ve paid.
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The comments are instant at the Guardian unlike the Drum where you were at the whim of the moderators.
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Katter is going to back the LNP, can you believe that!!
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Well he was Joh’s handmaiden so no not really
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Therese, is it legal to provide a link to an article on another website and ask people to discuss it on this site?
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It’s done all the time. Links everywhere.
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Thanks for the support over at the Drum hph, cheers mate.
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Sir Hung One On OCD:
06 Jul 2016 3:15:31pm
I agree with everything you say and have said SoZ and yes I’m insane. I even have a doctors certificate to prove it. All the best.
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Big M:
06 Jul 2016 3:37:06pm
Yes,SoZ, thanks for being one of a handful at the Drum who make a useful contribution.
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[Hey, a sister act, yo 🙂 ]
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It would be nice to be able to say a cheerio to those funny/useful/intelligent folk, and a fuck off/kick up the anus for the others, before it’s shut down!
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I agree Big. SoZ had the right qualities to transfer here to the Arms but many at the Drum would struggle with the quirkiness of the Arms, maybe not serious enough.
V would be a great article writer however Zing would get ringed as we are to left wing for it.
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Ben, Alfie, Claidius, Albo to name a few. Not to mention the man of many pseudo’s.
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Yes, Algy, moderating those f-wits would be extremely time consuming. I would put my hand up to help, but, as you probably notice from my posts, I work 12.5 hour shifts, so am out of the house for over 14 hours at a stretch.
I did get lambasted for reposting someone else’s witty reply to some of the walker of dogs trolling, here at the PA.
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Moderating here at the Arms carries a certain amount of trust. Once your initial comment is accepted then you can comment at your own desire.
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The sods have put new You Said It up. Algy gone. Shit, the last YSI was there for most of the year and now they update it !
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Just notice that myself Viv. I have become invisible at the moment, nothing getting through.
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I think in fact only one moderator at the Drum and she/he is thinking WTF.
I got a few up but elsewhere a big blank. See Hung scored a couple of one liners.
There’s been some quality comments today some from old foes.
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Viv, I get a sense of sadness in the sense that most who post regularly will miss it, I will. I’m uncertain as to what the Pigs Arms can offer in it’s void.
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I don’t think we could or should try to replicate it. The Drum Party is over.
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Here’s an opportunity. If WE – that is us, not just Hung and myself, want to publicise that we are open for business, provided that we do some preparation, for an onslaught, we can advertise the pub’s existence on the Drum before it goes.
And (I apologise, but I’m really short of cash) we might sell some modest advertising along the way.
Biggest problem is me not getting sued.
Bit hilarious that we might outlive the ABC !
What say you, PA regulars ?
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Splendid idea Therese. I was thinking the same 🙂
(gotta go out now, see you tonight)
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Certainly
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I put up a music list once a week Emm. 😦
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Sorry, Algy. Your regular playlists are very much appreciated. And I know how much time and care it takes to put one together.
I should have been a bit more precise – I was talking about moderation – which becomes a big job when you have mass transit through a site. See below Viv’s cautionary comment below.
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It wasn’t a criticism Emm, more tongue in cheek. I’m with you regarding the moderation though. Whilst It would be nice if more people commented here you’d have to wonder who might come. There are some complete nutters at the Drum, serious issues for some of them.
I would also not like to see what happened here a few years ago either where one ended up being banned and reference to them seeing comments sent elsewhere.
If we could encourage a few though and get then to post an article well. It’s amazing that the Pigs has lasted some 7.5 years. Unleased/The Drum is almost 9. What a pity an ex Murdoch is playing to the Murdoch tune. Guess one will need to play elsewhere on the odd occasion
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You carried the Arms at times Ace. I guess this site could work if we were able to get a wide range of contributors. The Drum is very political, you’re musical and have a great sense of combining artists, I can write an occasional funny story but often go for long periods where nothing comes to mind. Big M is the same and MJ has to earn a living first. I’m not sure as what to do.
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Breaking News:
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“The ABC has axed its opinion website The Drum in a cost-saving move which is the first significant decision taken by new managing director Michelle Guthrie.”
Well, I was expecting something like this from Michelle Guthrie – an ex-employee of Merd-ock .
Don’t say I didn’t warn you before. I was right.
Adieu Drum
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Beat me to it. What bastards. Guthrie axed Fact Check and now the Drum.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/jul/05/abc-axes-drum-website-in-first-move-by-michelle-guthrie#comment-78228606
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This is nothing yet, Vivienne. There is more coming…to the ABC.
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I think we should have a piss up at the Pigs Arms on the weekend. I’ll bring some platters of nice stuff.
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…and plan for the Ultimate Revolution 🙂 🙂
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Here’s an opportunity. If WE – that is us, not just Hung and myself, want to publicise that we are open for business, provided that we do some preparation, for an onslaught, we can advertise the pub’s existence on the Drum before it goes.
And (I apologise, but I’m really short of cash) we might sell some modest advertising along the way.
Biggest problem is me not getting sued.
Bit hilarious that we might outlive the ABC !
What say you, PA regulars ?
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Might be all a bit too hard Mike. Give it some more thought. We need regular articles and I don’t think Hung’s hilarious escapades will do the trick.
We could call the Dump, the Whinge and just keep coming and have a say and let off a bit of steam. Or go to Independent Australia or the AIMN.
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Algy gets to go out still being the first on the You Said It.
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Goes out a winner. Does the Pigs really want all those right wing nut jobs. Imaging alfie coming her for a rational debate (today he was singing up the praises of Pauline Hanson.) or Ben. There are others though who would be good value.
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