The Dump is:
For posting comments that don’t get up at the Drum, and for having a pleasant, mirthful or enlightening off-topic discussion.
It’s not for personal abuse of other commenters.
Please do that somewhere else if you must.
Play nicely or piss off.
However, why doesn’t a poster add a link for us to read and comment on here, much quicker. Maybe we can do a bit more bagging here, not that I speak for the moderators, yet.
NB: Being tiresome and boring, racist, sexist or just plain creepy is not playing nicely.
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The Pig’s Arms exists because a dozen or so years ago our other favourite playpen – the ABC’s Unleashed blogsphere started to go off. Like a sack of prawn heads in the sun. Something had to be done.
Moderation was taking forever. Comments seemed to be rejected randomly – outrageous ones appeared and reasoned ones were pinged. When they released the Drum / Unleashed ….. things actually got worse !
So many pieces from professional writers appear with no obvious merit. And the moderation has become, to put it frankly, appalling.
As a former contributor and a commenter, I was deeply disappointed at the plummeting quality from our pre-eminent media empire. And I resented so many challenging or dare I say, witty or funny posts in which we’ve invested seconds of our precious time – getting the chop.
So here, for all our benefit – is an open slather blog. Copy and paste your best rejected comments here for posterity. Does not matter whether you’re posting on the Guardian, First Dog on the Moon or wherever else.
And sprinkle pointers to the Pig’s Arms amongst your comments. Let’s try to rescue some of the old faithful.
Cheers,
Emm.
Window Dresser's Arms, Pig & Whistle 
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-03/sa-government-energy-policy-exacerbated-blackout-greg-hunt-says/7897298
And so peak stupid continues
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And adding to that Nick X is ignoring the advice of experts but instead is taking advice from friends, friends who cannot be named due to commercial reasons. I really do feel sorry for all those that voted for him.
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The village idiot uses his bum to speak yet again.
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Hunt must have consulted Wiki
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All the best pollies do HOO. One Notion cuts and pastes large chunks of it as policy.
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I see you are having a good run over in the garden
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And you. Work beckens tomorrow.
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Well what do you know. Harold Holt has emerged from the surf.
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They can turn the porch light off.
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Guest of honour at the Leagues club I here.
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I see you’ve been sent to the naughty corner over at The Guardian Hung. Still I’m enjoying winding up some AFL supporter on the other threads. Doesn’t get that I’m shit stirring.
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Que?
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The one on South Australia Weather. On the other hand there are some Victorians on the football blogs getting the a little upset with my comments. Still they lead with their jaws what do they expect.
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I will have to go and look. Now Algernon youngen, have you ever known me to be in trouble with moderation. Wheeze met 10 years ago I reckon and me and ewes has bean saints.
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I reckon butter wouldn’t melt in our mouths HOO. An omly might.
You can tell someone to f*&k off at The Guardian, but they’ll ping you for something else. I haven’t been moderated yet though.
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Might have been when I made a recommendation about Tim Wilson.
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Do tell.
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Well, I said that Timmy and a few other Liberals could all go to the toilet together and give each other a service. Meanwhile back at the ranch the parliament votes through an RC in to banks and does the country a service. A win win in my view.
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Timmy would enjoy that. Don’t know why they’d take it down
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Love the new picture. But where are the banjo players.
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Dare I say, playing banjoes.
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You know before the game when they do that flag thingy. The banjos play.
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Daughter No.2 gets married tomorrow. The finale to many months of planning and busyness. Ceremony not being held in vineyard as planned – nothing but rain all month. We’ll be in the barrel room adjoining the restaurant. 80 or so of us. It’s going to be a beauty.
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That’s terrific news viv. How’s the mother of the bride holding up. Pit about the weather though but all will go well none the less.
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Holding up okay. Fortunately daughter takes after her mother and is a great organiser and planner. Weather was the only thing beyond control. I’m fine now that decision has been made to hold whole affair indoors. The weather was a worry! I have no idea why she wants to gets married or have a full on wedding, but there you go ! She’s always loved a party but this is the first $10,000 one in the family and that’s not counting the dress and the groom’s new suit etc.
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There’s a bit of cost in them. Someone I worked with told me theirs was $75k. I said for one day to which they told me I didn’t know what I was talking about (25 years married at the time with three kids) what would I know. $10k seems about par for what I can gather for many nowadays. Enjoy the day and all the best to No,2 and groom.
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Have a great day Viv
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We did. And I danced a lot. I think I’m a bit pooped !
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I trust you will all have a great day!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5muY64Oyp10
Conspiracy much!!
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🙂 🙂
At last an explanation of what happened in South Australia this week.
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I can’t believe how dumb our PM is after the Adelaide storms. Rang Tutu and where she lives was okay but she said lots of trees down and strong winds.
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Yes what was it 23 electricity stanchions felled by a tornado and somehow that has something to do with renewable energy. I just feel so blessed to have such a leader in the country with such vision and foresight. He comes out with words I’d expect that finely sculpted piece of excretia from Queensland to come up with or maybe barking barney.
Good to hear Tutu is OK.
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Yes, bloody renewables, endangering lives, spoiling the countryside and causing power outages. I’ve even heard that houses with solar batteries are stealing power from others, and stockpiling it for nefarious uses.
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lol 🙂
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Tangles has died. No more hypnotising chooks.
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Sad Ace. He was a funny man.
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And only 68 HOO.
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Melanoma apparently
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That took Richie out too, 68 sounds to young when you are 58.
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Multiple myeloma rather than. A melanoma HOO. A friend of mine has the same. Was told 5 years at 68 . He’s now 71 and in remission. In rude health really.
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What happened to the Pub – the photo is not well.
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Repainting??
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A bex and a good lie down I reckon
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It’s the old pub Viv
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We can do things. ‘Shoe Painters and Decorators.
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lol 🙂
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‘Shoe Decorators and Painters. I’m ‘Shoe and I have a ladder.
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https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/sep/26/liberal-mp-steve-irons-repays-travel-claim-for-flights-to-his-own-wedding
I mean, hands up, who would have thought that the Liberals were shonky.
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Yes, astounding, and they always seem to pay top dollar, I mean, we, the tax payer, pay top dollar for their flights.
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We pau for flights to his own wedding. Did he invite Bronnie and the Chopper pilot as well. These Tories aren’t happy unless they’re spending the taxpayers money gor their own private purposes.
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I see South Melbourne is playing Footscray in the AFL Grand Final next week. Stillvit could have been the AFL Giants.
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What drugs are you on, Angler??
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And the Porch lights are playing Melbourne in the the Rugby League. Shame I’d have prefered Canberra
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I’m tipping the 3rd Queensland team in the NRL and South in the AFL.
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I agree, It’s not time for Harold Holt to come out of the surf just yet. And no points for guessing the first place South will go to when they beat Footscray by 10 or 15 goals next week. Lake Oval not the SCG.
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I’m on Cab Sav
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Please explain???
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No I think I’ve worked it out.
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My sister and her hubby are Storm members. Thought they would go to an NRL game to get a break from AFL as they live in Mexico oops Melbourne. Now they go to every game and they tell me the most hated team in the comp is the Warriors. Me I go for the Western Losers oops Tigers.
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I’ve been a Manly supporter since the 60’s. Used to go into the sheds at the end of the game. Dad worked up the road from BrookvLe Oval and many of the team were employed there. He worked with the Club photographer. Shit League with Murdoch wrecked it for me. Interestingly the Porch light supporters don’t recognise that Grand Final. Watched them get beaten 16-0 in their last appearance in 78. At least the vest teams of tge year are playing off.
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I agree, Algy, I would support Manly, having grown up (well, I pretend to be grown up) about two km from Brookvale Oval, but lost interest when the NRL started. I don’t get AFL. I have cousins in Melbourne who are quite intelligent, but carry on like mental deficients in the lead up to AFL finals. The Mexicans seem to think that AFL is ‘our’ national game, but most people I know wouldn’t give a tinker’s cuss for it.
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I used to follow Illawarra being a Wollongong boy however when they merged with St George that was the end of it, oh and Manly before Illawarra came in. I could never understand why the league made an expansion team merge, no doubt money but I hated St George and their supporters when I was a kid. Arrogant at best.
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Yes the Victorians need to remove their heads from the arses and stop carrying on about their provincial sport being a notional oops I mean national sport. Kevin Sheedy carried on during the week about the AFL Giants. They are nothing more than an AFL concoction, pouring money into a black hole. They don’t play in Western Sydney and play in front of between 2-5000 each week yet they’ll call it 12-15000. Collingwood supporters seem the most delusional, think they’re a global brand.
I do watch origin but very little else nowadays.
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There was a 7′ bloke … no doubt measured in feet because of the nature of his art (curious that though) … who wasn’t a basketballer and wasn’t a soccer player and and was both but is now a …umm …footballer by any other for Australia (NRL I reckon) and can swim like a fish and he qualified as a mechanical engineer and he scored the first goal in his first game ever…and 2 years ago he had never played the game and he’s a Yank.
Sporting news too.
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Who was that shoe?
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Amazing bloke. Battery running low. Tell you when I can google. Power out in SA.
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So we hear. trust you are OK with candles and semaphore.
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My semaphore saved us. 😉
That bloke is Mason Cox, Hung. Think he might be this year’s old news now, but he’s recent. I saw a story about him on tv. Amazing athlete.
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Yes, I remember him now, plays for Collingwood. Agree, very talented athlete.
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Very good Algy.
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I wonder what the news in Victoria would be like this week if SMFC and and the AFL giants were playing in the Grand Final.
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If GWS won I think the umpires may not have been welcome back south of the border.
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I see Sir Hungs getting a run at The Guardian on the topic.
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It is a shame the Drum didn’t work like The Guardian. Saw you over there as well Ace.
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I had a quick look yesterday. You shit stirring bastards!
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Ken oath mate, never give a Liberal an even break
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Gawd knows. We get swamped with Vic News here even though we are in NSW. All the local play footy and our local Jindera team call themselves the Bulldogs ! The local news is 30 mins – consists of sport and ‘news’, then 14 mins of sport and then 1 min of weather. Same thing with local paper but half of the ‘news’ is reprinted from SMH or Age.
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It was all that pseudo intellectual nonsense they go on with Big. I’m mean its kicking an bit of pigskin around for goodness sake. I do admit to a a little bit of stirring. It’s a bit like the old days Hung, where you could have a conversation and the posts were put up quickly.
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Ace, when I was a kid I thought that you couldn’t get more of enough sport, bit like TV, boy was I wrong.
As a real littlin we sat round the radio when we we lived in Tamworth and then Armidale. I appreciate that you are too young[bastard] to remember this. 🙂
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Well Hung we always had a TV even had a colour TV before all the stations broadcast in colour. But we didn’t have a phone until I was 18. Yep I was even listening to the radiogramme.
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So, the Project engaged with that nutter Malcolm of One Nation. What happens, he immediately speaks lies about Aly Waleed. I’ll say it again, don’t give them any publicity – it doesn’t work. You can’t engage with them (for you Sea Monster).
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Well I’m afraid you can’t ignore him. He’s a senator with a large say in balance of power.
But personally I’m not interested in engaging with him. I’m more interested in engaging with the million or so (don’t quite me) who voted for his party. You’re dreaming if you think you can win they back to Labor by continuing to heap —- on them.
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Not heaping anything on them – don’t know any of them. You said the answer is engagement. If you can’t engage with one of their Senators what luck engaging with their voters? Turnbull’s idiotic DD got them elected. Roberts will be gone in three years.
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You could trust a word he says. Reckons he was a coal executive but probably worked for a coal company. Hadn’t worked for 7 years which gave him plenty of time to come up with his conspiracy theories. Like Pantsdown he’s an air thief.
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Further Roberts made this assertion about Aly by saying bald face lies like this Roberts said it would be “nice if Waleed actually condemned and didn’t condone Islamic terrorism”. The man uses words like empirical evidence to try and sound intelligent yet ignores it when it punches his face.
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Are you on holidays Ace, no song list?
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No sent the list to head office. Guessing he’s busy.
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Hi all again, sorry I didn’t finish off that phone conversation with Mark last time . I’ll go back there and write more when I have time in the future. No Vivienne, I didn’t watch Menzies on ABC. Howard and Henderson make me sick..yuck!
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That’s okay. We can all get rather busy at times. The first Menzies was rubbish. It’s the second part this coming Sunday which is bound to be the puke making one. Fortunately the first part was so bad and pathetic it was immediately forgettable.
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We have just returned from WA. Saw this advertised. Honestly thought it was a piss-take for a few minutes, and the Chasers were going to jump out from behind the Howard dummy. Didn’t feel compelled to watch it!
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His chuckle when he talks with Hawke reminds me of a ventriloquists dummy.
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Henderson always looks insipid when he talks.
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/21/progressives-can-attract-hanson-supporters-but-not-by-insulting-them
Our Peter Lewis has found a home at The Guardian. He’s making a point that I (frustratingly) attempted to make repeatedly over the years at The Drum.
The electoral pitch of progressives seems to be: why aren’t you inbred, hillbilly, ignoramuses voting for me? And that’s the extent of their engagement with that section of the electorate. Also despite their obsessive attention to everyone else’s prejudice, they’re blind to the bucket loads of prejudice underpinning their sneering contempt.
And is that our Alpo in the comments section? He’s not getting it. Heaping benign condescension on them isn’t the answer. They’re smarter than he realises. The answer is engagement.
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How do one engage. If politely debating and providing facts re climate change did not work what is the approach re Hanson. She has such a lot of things she is against. Things which might work are not within the means of those commenting. It is for government to take the lead. Stop entering more farcical FTAs, stop killing manufacturing (subsidise them and not fund Nauru and Manus etc). Stop selling our assets, stop company tax evasion. These are among the reasons for Hanson’s support – her supporters aren’t to be mocked – the government is.
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Say what you like SM. Pantsdown is ignorant, but 500000 voted for her so I guess her ignorant voice is allowed to be heard. She needs to remove her head from her arse.
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13.6 per cent of Australia’s farmland is foreign-owned. UK-based investors own 27.5 million hectares or almost 53 per cent of that portion.
The United States is the second highest country on the register, followed by the Netherlands with almost 3 million hectares,
Seeing that the total area of Holland is a bit over 4 million Ha, the Dutch owned farmland in Australia has almost doubled the size of Hollands farmland.
Lot of food for thought.
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But given Australia is about 7.7 million square kilometres the ares quoted are small in comparison. The Brits have owned large tracts of the nations farmland since land was first granted in the 1790’s.
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Headlines in the Australian (on another planet as usual):
PAUL KELLY
Malcolm Turnbull and Scott Morrison have enjoyed their best week since the election — but not before time.
PAUL KELLY
The Turnbull government is changing the direction of welfare to embrace an individual investment philosophy.
PAUL KELLY
Malcolm Turnbull and Scott Morrison have enjoyed their best week since the election — but not before time.
Gerard Henderson
There are those too ready to disparage anyone who would disagree with them.
Paul Kelly
Prospects for a return to reform are seen as bleak.
Peter van Onselen
The federal Liberal government can finally point to some serious policy achievements.
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If they want to think thats a great week let them. The government is doomed and will fall soon.
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I loved this exchange at The Guardian today:
DSteel
Malcolm hasnt got the authority to negotiate anything as he isnt even in control of his own party.
PeteSYD DSteel
No, apparently Hillbilly George is.
AlgernonBennelong PeteSYD
What a finely sculpted man he is. Out of what I don’t know
kejovi AlgernonBennelong
Cakes
zoomaloid kejovi
Lard
kejovi zoomaloid
Lumpa
ArtistFrmlyKnwnAs AlgernonBennelong
Lard
adz86au AlgernonBennelong
Pies stuffed with tax payer dollars.
PeteSYD adz86au
There’s table service and an open bar at those Qantas Chairmans Lounges…
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Anyone here got the stomach to watch Howard’s Menzies on Sunday night ?
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Not without Maxolon
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I’m going to record it and watch bits or fast forward a lot. I’ll be yelling bullshit a lot.
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I guess its a comedy. Right
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Part historical rewrite I thought
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I watch Dr Phil instead.
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This is an enormous act of courage. North Americans are sympathetic with the viewpoint – as I am reading it …of the Indians.
Something I heard of on Facebook.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/showdown-over-oil-pipeline-becomes-a-national-movement-for-native-americans/2016/09/06/ea0cb042-7167-11e6-8533-6b0b0ded0253_story.html
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The first problem I see us that the pipeline would pass under a dam water catchment. That’s a never do from the start. The other is what on earth would army engineers have to do with pipelines and route selection. I would fail to see what expertise they would have anywhere doing this. Armys do not build or maintain oil distribution pipelines. Pipeline route selection is about the shortest length with the least amount of constraints and resistance. Whilst I can see the first they fail on the second two. Also paying the right amount of compensation as well clearly not a consideration here.
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To clarify, water storage rather than catchment.
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Just speculating but I’m guessing the US Army has quite a lot of experience building oil pipelines. Probably going back to the invasion of Europe in WW2. Militaries run on fuel.
Also you’re overlooking a particular US cultural context. The Army Corps of Engineers is responsible for a lot of civilian functions. Maintenance of the New Orleans levy for example.
The US system is really ramshackle in many regards. The fanatical commitment to limiting power in any one institution’s hands means you have several agencies with overlapping jurisdictions, acting in areas way outside the remit of their Australian counterparts.
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So you’re suggesting the US army built pipelines across Europe in WW2 and were involved with the selection of an 1172 mile long pipeline are you SM.
I’m actually speaking from experience in pipeline route selection which I have done in this country and others over a number of years.in my earlier career (for about 20 years), as well as working in part with American pipeliners who actually do this. You also need to understand how the US pipeline industry, particularly within the Oil and Gas industry works. I can tell you the US army don’t routinely build them and select their routes or are generally involved with their construction..
As I said before, you do not build pipeline of any sort through bodies of stored water which this pipeline clearly does. I say that to now as someone who works in the water industry and where the building of anything that will compromise the quality of the water held gets short shrift.
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Good evening Algy. I am delighted you have responded with such interest
and empathy.
I am amazed Sea Monster you hold such a deep seated belief the Army is an agent of good in their involvement. I think you mean they know what they’re doing. I can’t think of anything more concerning than Native Americans’ testifying foul play regards their waterways being potentially sidelined by an assumption the Army is there for their [the Indians) best welfare ie because the Army represents the greater good.
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Here we are. While I wasn’t watching,
http://abcnews.go.com/US/judge-rule-today-dakota-access-pipeline-case-protests/story?id=41973080
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Signing in again.
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I’m not sure I understand this. I might have it as wrong as wrong. I cannot imagine now the pipeline will be penetrating these catchment areas. The question that might be now uppermost is the balance between whether to proceed and/or pay compensation.. the compensation will run into a staggering amount if rumour proves true the pipeline is misplaced from its originally proposed route.
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Here at least an easement can be compulsorily acquired for the purposes of Oil and Gas pipelines. The reality is that the pipeline company would negotiate with the landowner as regards compensation and even route location. In most cases in rural areas the landowner see it as a windfall. The easement is then registered on title after the agreed compensation is paid.
Any pipeline I’ve worked on there were a few who don’t want the pipeline on their land no matter what. In some cases deviating around is neither possible or practicable.
On this pipeline though, it beggars belief that it could be going through the stored water of a dam. The compensation would be a minor component compared to the product that will flow through the pipe.
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There is some reasonable discussion on ABC stuff on their Facebook https://www.facebook.com/abc/?fref=ts – worth a gander anyway (in case no one knew about it).
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-10/miracle-cats-pulled-from-italy-quake-ruins-after-two-weeks/7832888
What a damn shame
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Never understood the logic of these miracles. People dead. People injured. People displaced. Homes destroyed. One child (or in this case cat) survives a week under the rubble and it’s a miracle. Surely the real miracle would have been preventing all the other harm.
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Miracles have no logic. Inexplicable events. Most can be explained actually and so I guess there is no such thing as a miracle unless you believe in God.
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Perhaps I should have added some scare quotes to “miracles”.
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Perhaps there is some truth in this.
http://www.engrish.com/2016/09/you-should-see-the-oh-so-nightmare-series/#comments
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Agree Sir and I gave you a vote 🙂
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No Plebiscite on Same Sex Marriage. Make it law NOW.
September 7, 2016
Australia does not want a plebiscite on SSM dragging the LGBTI crowd up in a shit-fight and costing $160 million. Make it law now by this simple format and message to your local member.
Please do it.
http://makeitlaw.com.au/
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http://viralslot.com/travel/7-fun-facts-about-the-netherlands-that-prove-they-are-the-most-forward-thinking-country/
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I like point 7 Gez, much needed here in Oz.
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The boast of heraldry, the pomp of power,
And all that beauty, all that wealth e’er gave,
Awaits alike th’ inevitable hour:-
The paths of glory lead but to the grave.
I felt a bit poetic this morning. This is part of what Thomas Grey wrote in 1771 or so.
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Yep yep yep.
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So nothin’s changed then
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Algy reckons the LNP is blaming Labor for the fact someone pinched our cyclamen a couple of days ago. Its labor, labor.
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It’s truuuue Gerard, it was on TV 🙂
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Well thats what the Belgian, Scotty, that dope Dutton and all the rest are saying so it must be true. Name anything its Labors fault
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Shove the phrases ‘budget crisis’ and ‘better economic managers’ into the mix and you’ve got a whole LNP policy forming in front of your eyes. It doesn’t do the cyclamen much good.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-02/turnbull-reads-'riot-act'-to-missing-mps-after-labor-vote-ambush/7807632
You’ve gotta love these grown ups in the Liberal Party running the country at the moment. One week in and they can’t even control the numbers in the house. The lose three votes in the house and of course its all Labors fault. Poodle stuffs up. George Christiansen the government whip (this clown is out of his depth) stuffs up. Turnbull claims its all about stunts and games. Even Brandis says the same thing.
One week in and these donkeys can’t even control themselves. How on earth can the run the country!
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They are all talk and no action Algy. George is the Nat whip. Their arrogance is beyond measuring. If Cathy and Adam had been there they would have approved the RC into Banking.
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I think it demonstrates we have a government without discipline, people in positions above their capabilities and a PM without much authority. We’ll be back at the polls within a year.
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I pinched this From HassleHoff comment on the Guardian 3 Sept 2016
The tories have no economic plan. How much evidence does anyone need? What have they done in the past 3 years other than swing their wrecking ball?
Meanwhile someone asked “what the fuck is a tory”?
Here is some of the research I found (in my head)
What the fuck is a Tory?
A conservative politician
Conserva-tory ……Between a conservative’s ears (empty space)
Lab rat-tory ….a rodent
Lava-tory …. A vessel full of shit (Conservative Politician)
Manda-tory (Mandate tory) Malcolm Turmoil’s mythical mandate.
Inven- tory ….A Conservative government making up shit as it goes along.
Supposit-tory…..What Malcolm gave Tony.
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And they allowed that to stand even though its true.
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The Guardian is very liberal in the correct sense of the word. Do you go there. Home of First Dog on the Moon.
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I do, I comment as AlgernonBennelong there. Tend to read it on line. For whatever reason the SMH is only allowing me 30 reads even though I have an all points subscription. I do notice that they do moderate after a bit those they don’t deem to be appropriate, unlike the old Drum where moderated for the sake of it.
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Haven’t seen your moniker there yet – but there are a lot of comments to work through ! We subscribe to the SMH via our village newsagent but it doesn’t count ! I argued with them and it became impossible. So it might depend on exactly with whom your subscription is with. I think it has to be directly with the SMH and that is impossible. They can’t even deliver it to us. That is why you might notice me saying I’m just logging in here. I clear my Cookies and Cache history and it wipes their memory of how many times I’ve visited but also wipes all my log-ins. I do that when I reach the limit. Hubby hogs the SMH so I read some on line. Guardian comments which are wiped must be very very baaad.
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I have a 7 day home delivery and digital access It worked for a bit on the phone but doesn’t now, works OK on the computer. I do the SMH insider thingy nearly every other week. They never send me the $250, though. Heaps of other questionnaires too. There are heaps of comments at The Guardian far more than The Drum ever had.
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