The Dump

The Dump is:
For posting comments that don’t get up at the Drum, and for having a pleasant, mirthful or enlightening off-topic discussion.
It’s not for personal abuse of other commenters.
Please do that somewhere else if you must.
Play nicely or piss off.
However, why doesn’t a poster add a link for us to read and comment on here, much quicker. Maybe we can do a bit more bagging here, not that I speak for the moderators, yet.

NB: Being tiresome and boring, racist, sexist or just plain creepy is not playing nicely.

give a crap

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The Pig’s Arms exists because a dozen or so years ago our other favourite playpen – the ABC’s Unleashed blogsphere started to go off.  Like a sack of prawn heads  in the sun.  Something had to be done.

Moderation was taking forever.  Comments seemed to be rejected randomly – outrageous ones appeared and reasoned ones were pinged.   When they released the Drum / Unleashed ….. things actually got worse !

So many pieces from professional writers appear with no obvious merit.  And the moderation has become, to put it frankly, appalling.

As a former contributor and a commenter, I was deeply disappointed at the plummeting quality from our pre-eminent media empire.  And I resented so many challenging or dare I say, witty or funny posts in which we’ve invested seconds of our precious time – getting the chop.

So here, for all our benefit – is an open slather blog.  Copy and paste your best rejected comments here for posterity.  Does not matter whether you’re posting on the Guardian, First Dog on the Moon or wherever else.

And sprinkle pointers to the Pig’s Arms amongst your comments.  Let’s try to rescue some of the old faithful.

Cheers,

Emm.

15242 thoughts on “The Dump”

  1. algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

    President Adolf Trump WTF. The US will come out of this completely fucked. They’ll wake up soon wondering what they’ve done. Bit like Abbott her.

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    • Sea Monster's avatar Sea Monster said:

      The struggle against this fascist starts today.

      I think the first thing to do is tell all the people who voted for him they are subhuman, rednecks, things. Stuff like that. That’s sure to change their minds next time.

      Then we say there’s nothing wrong with the Clintons. We don’t ask how they became millionaires. We don’t ask about influence peddling. We argue that it’s business as usual and people shouldn’t be overly worried about this stuff.

      I reckon that’s bound to calm the raging anger Americans seem to have with the establishment.

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      • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

        I think he’s unfit to be President. I thinks she’s not much better. The US is still living the Great Recession who created that. He promises help but doesn’t have a clue how to do that. For that the rust belt have swallowed that line. Go back to Germany 85 years ago what did Hitler offer the Germans.

        I couldn’t care how much he’s made. Its his immorality I have a problem with.

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      • As if this billionaire ignoramus has a clue what to do. Rampant monopolistic capitalism is the problem and he is part of it. You reckon Trump and his supporters didn’t call Hillary and her supporters a lot of foul names and accuse them of supporting things which they don’t. Here as there it seems the right can say and do anything to anyone but heaven help someone who calls them for what they are with just one word – deplorable.

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        • Trump talks about Clinton needing to be in jail. What about all the alleged sexual assaults during the campaign, what were there a dozen people coming forward. Lets not forget the comments that came out on the bus. Deplorable doesn’t even cut it. Possible rapist does.

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        • Too upset to comment. Had tears in my eyes when the news of Clinton’s concession came through. I think the Yanks have swallowed a load of pigshit.

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  2. vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

    Hey Algy, saw this this morning: Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has opened the door to changes to Section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act, but not everybody in his party is pleased.
    Key points:

    Liberal backbencher John Alexander says 18C is a “fringe issue”, hopes Act will remain as it is
    Mr Alexander says people in his multicultural electorate are concerned about proposals for changes to the Act
    PM Malcolm Turnbull indicated that Cabinet will sign off on an inquiry into the Act

    Liberal backbencher John Alexander said that fiddling with the act was not a good use of the Government’s time, and could alarm minority groups.

    The former tennis champion-turned politician says the law should not be touched, arguing it is a fringe issue.

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  3. I see Bob Day has tendered is resignation. Waffles will be screaming. Will the. Minister for. Bookshelves and Poetry Reading do the same thing today. Melbourne Cup day is for taking out the trash.

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    • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

      Day and Culleton are up to their ears in basic bankruptcy. Business men they are not.

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      • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

        Culleton will just be replaced by a relative. Day’s preferences will go. Most likely to the Labor Party giving them another seat. I can’t see how on both counts against Day that it will go to another Family First candidate.

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  4. Sea Monster's avatar Sea Monster said:

    http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/news-and-current-affairs/catalyst-wifried-and-statins-reports-fail-viewers-with-bad-science-journalism-20160706-gpzrfc.html

    Did it once. Got disciplined. Did it again. Maybe we should have given them a pay rise…

    Apropos of nothing. I was( on the Drum):

    1. Consistently critical of the Financial industry,
    2. Consistently critical of the financialisation of western economies, and
    3. A consistent advocate of a Royal Commission into the financial sector. Bring it on . I condemn Trumbull without reservation for avoiding one.

    Just wanted to get that out there. Why do people keep throwing this two-party paradigm on me? It’s not me. It’s not my bag.

    Every 3 years I’m obliged to choose whether it’s better to step in bullshit or horseshit. Damned if I’m going to preach the manifest superiority of one over another in between.

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    • Sea Monster's avatar Sea Monster said:

      In fact I once specifically said to a Liberal Party cheerleader that as banks are more apt to cause harm a royal commission into them was more important than one into unions.

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    • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

      They reckon it is constitutional. I doubt that.

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      • Turnbull is a rotten politician, a lousy lawyer and a miserable human being. Even worse than Abbott or Kim Jong In from N.Korea.

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        • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

          There is no limit as to how low they will go. Where are the good people with public profiles – they must speak up.
          Now Robb officially working for the Chinese. When they set up the Royal Commission into corruption in unions and the Pink Batts they were looking in the wrong places. When Labor is returned to government they must overturn this shit and have RCs into quite a few matters which are currently completely fucking our democracy and social well being.

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      • That Dutton is a sad excuse for so many things. The fascist right must have his balls that tight or several pictures. That other grub Hanson looks like she has a hand in this as well. This is shitty politics and needs to be callenged in the high court. If Turnbull gets rolled who’ll take his place.

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      • It would not be beyond the possibilities for a banned asylum seeker living in the US becoming a US President in thirty or forty years time.

        This president, let’s call him Mohamed Selam, would not be allowed to visit Australia. Of course, the then Australian minster for refugees would use his ‘discretion.’

        What a shambles.

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        • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

          Have to be born in the USA Gerard. I had the same thought though – Prime Minister or something of any other country.

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    • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

      Latest – the LNP board of the ABC has sacked all Catalyst staff.

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  5. Well there you go. Had my first comment removed at The Guardian, something about someone having their head up a certain part.

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  6. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-29/nsw-government-land-purchase-bungle-affects-sydney-buyers/7977274

    This is what you get when you put children with very little life experience in charge of important things. He’s 33, briefly worked as a lawyer was a president of the young Liberals the was on the state executive until installed in the parliament in a safe seat. He’s been promoted above his skill set, has botched compensation to those who are entitled to it under the act due to land acquisition. Where people are being compensated $100000’s below fair market value.

    He wants to privatise Land and Property Information in other words the holding of titles to your land. At the moment the State guarantees title. In a privatised system people will need to purchase title insurance and an undermining of Torrens Title for land.

    Baird move this little boy on.

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    • We are pretty lucky here, in that, all of those major road projects have been in the planning stage for over 60 years, so most of the land was acquired from council parks, etc, way back. I do feel sorry for the poor buggers involved. Sounds like a typical LNP cock up!

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      • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

        I think this land is the same Big there is for the F6 (or M1) and the other road which would be the A9 extension. They would have been part of the Cumberland Plan of 1951 anyone affected generally would know. This is a botch up. It’s the people purchasing who are potentially going to have a problem and see the value of their land crash as a result.

        I deal with the LPI most weeks. Less people to do more work due to efficiency gain with the knowledge walking out the door. Now you’re often dealing with people without the knowledge and experience making decisions often they don’t understand.

        He’s botched this as well as the compensation and should just do the right thing and resign.

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        • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

          Corporate knowledge, council knowledge, state and federal – knowledge walking out the doors everywhere. Things are going to get worse.

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        • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

          That’s right vivienne. I work for a merged organisation where there needed to be efficiency gains. Decades of corporate knowledge walks out the door. There are newbies into new roles who know jack shit about anything yet listen to them prattle on it’s just embarrassing.

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        • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

          It is awful isn’t it Algy. When I left a job I wrote up everything I did and why and how (procedures etc). Two positions I had were new inasmuch as nothing to go on. I’m pretty fastidious in keeping notes and records. At the Council I discovered the ‘boss’ had never done the paper work to make some crown lanes into public roads (including the one I had just bought land on !) and to close a tip and open a new one. I did all the paper work with Lands Department and got them done – writing all the stuff up for applications and council resolutions etc. Then it also turned out he had not officially acquired lots of small parcels of private land for road widenings ! Owners had not been compensated – up to 12 years of interest. It was a mess. He was a lovely bloke but preferred talking to people than doing the fiddly bits.

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        • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

          Oh dear, I hope no one was injured in the meantime. Road widenings and opening or closings are relatively simple things to execute. Time consuming but not that hard. It’s just a process. I find where I work some people like a lot of talking and light on the work (and paid a motza). A lot of those who walked ended up with golden handshakes given many were close to retirement. The new organisation isn’t a patch on the old one and much of the other part of the merger were pretty toxic.

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        • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

          Algy … no …………. I fixed it. I’m a fixer (a real one).
          A merged organisation does sound like a challenge. Is anyone actually up for it?

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        • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

          Viv, I got that you were the fixer. I’m just thinking of the liability at 12 years. I’m sorting out a road opening closing at the moment. All it needs is a couple of banks to do their jobs. We’ve been effectively merged for three years but working together as one for about a year. Mostly OK but there are a few deluded precious people. Think their skills are greater that they really are.

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        • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

          Had to get a valuation of the land and then do fiddly interest compounding stuff. All in rural areas and no one hurt. No one knew that part of the road was still legally private land – just me and the boss. The owners did not know anything other than they had not been compensated.
          I do hope you are still able to enjoy your job. Life’s full of challenges.

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        • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

          I enjoy many aspects of it and not so with others. I’m able to travel to site regularly now which I really enjoy. Gets me travelling all over the state

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        • Glad you’re a fixer, Viv, many treat work like Grandma’s best recipe, and leave out the key ingredients from the recipe. I think this is to make the reliever, or new incumbent fail. Saw this just last week.

          The council here is a law unto itself. A neighbour complained that council workers had an excavator tied up for days replanting a roundabout. Probably moved half a cubic meter of soil. Was basically told to f off.

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        • Same here Big, I’ve always thought our LGA as little more than a sheltered workshop. They’re going to merge with something worse, where their constituents are worried about where the money for a garden show is going to come from and another that appears to function.

          Had to talk with our council on Friday about a clean up which was booked last month for across the road when the tenants moved out. Might have been a bit too much there for the precious darlings so they left it. As a result the rubbish is growing. Even today the previous tenants were photographing it as the pile grows bigger to quite rightly protect themselves from the blame game.

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  7. vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

    We picked up our new 15.5 hp ride on mower yesterday. Two weeks with no mowing was not good. It’s getting a big work out. It has stubby holder spots ! We also finished burning off just in time. Three huge piles of fallen branches, prunings and stuff.

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  8. algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

    HOO I’ve caught you again.

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  9. algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

  10. vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

    From Gadfly in the Saturday Paper (22.10.16):
    Old dogs rehomed

    Josh Manuatu is a name I hope we get to see in print more often. He’s a staffer to Otto Abetz and “development director” of the Young Nasty Party Movement.

    There he was in the Hobart Rupert banging on about the evils of 18C and how it should be shredded so people can go boots and all after same-sex marriage exponents. Otto surely would be proud of his apprentice.

    Meantime, senate president and former mortuary scientist Stephen Parry has hired one of the three discarded Tasmanian Liberal amigos, Eric Hutchinson.

    Eric will be advising and representing, in a non-political way, President Parry at glittering events in Launceston and Ulverstone and in the process trousering $160,000 a year plus expenses.

    “I couldn’t have asked for anyone better,” Parry insisted, adding that Eric is “a round plug in a round hole”.

    I wonder if he was ordered to hire the former member for Lyons by Otto and, if so, can an appointment for Field Marshal Nikolic be far away?

    Other round plugs who have picked up government gigs in different shaped holes include the former Liberal member for Eden-Monaro and Turnbull loyalist Peter Hendy, who has been recruited by the PM as his “economic adviser”. Hendy is also a former chief-of-staff to defence minister and concocter of the children overboard affair Peter Reith.

    There’s also Matt Williams, whom the voters of Hindmarsh tossed out at the last election, only to be thrown a lifeline by Education Minister Simon Birmingham to come onboard as his “policy adviser”. It’s a soft landing while Williams seeks to get his bottom on a safe state Liberal seat in South Australia.

    And what about Karen McNamara whose time in the Abbott government was spent on the backbench strategically sitting a row or two back in full view of the cameras and nodding sagely with every deft pronouncement of the then PM?

    Her regular appearance on the telly as a professional nodder did her no good as the voters of Dobell rejected her. Happily, Senator Concetta Fierravanti-Wells, Minister for International Development and the Pacific has seized on Karen’s talents and appointed her a part-time adviser on seasonal worker policy. Perfect.

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    • Oh dear. Laughable.

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    • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

      Jobs for the boys and girls. I do like that Mike Kelly is back in Eden Monaro, went to school with him well he was two or three years below me. One of the few from the lower years that I do. Do like that Otto and Eric are interchangable.

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      • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

        Indeed. Remember this when they raise Labor selecting a certain person (Union background) for Senate replacement for Conroy. The Libs are masters at jobs for boys/girls (who of course only get these jobs on merit despite no advertising of position etc).

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      • Sea Monster's avatar Sea Monster said:

        So if Labor does it too; what’s the problem? Business as usual right?

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        • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

          My comment was apolitical regarding replacements SM. I actually knew Mike Kelly at school that’s why I mentioned him. He shouldn’t have won his seat at the last election but the person he replaced was like a lot of these Liberal parachutes, useless at being a local member particularly in a marginal seat. Hendy lost it because he did nothing.

          As for Otto or is it Eric, he controls everything Liberal in Tasmania even down to who goes where.

          I guess you practise hard.

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        • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

          Not the same thing at all so don’t be silly. If you want to compare preselections for HoR or Senate then that is another matter though I think the Libs are masters at it, e.g. look at Tim Wilson.

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  11. algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

    Hello hello anybody out there. Awfully quite here this week

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  12. algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

    • Crikey.

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      • I can hardly wait to what might pass as news next.

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        • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

          More pathetic as each day passes. I think Ms Guthrie will soon find that their readership/visits etc has plunged.

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        • Shes a Murdoch toady. She seems to be wrecking the ABC bit by bit, just like that poor quality fit Jonathan Shier. Still we could have the moron class at One Nation wanting to put in place the Patriotic Broadcasting Corporation. First Dog on the Moon had a good take on that.

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        • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

          Same sort of shit happening in UK. It’s why I puke when Libs talk about broad church, love of democracy and all the other shit they just mouth. The older I get the more I hate them – yes, really hate them. I watched a lot of that Senate Inquiry re Brandis and Gleeson which just gave me buckets of reasons that my views are right – they are devoid of honesty, respect of the law or respect of anyone who is not in their Lib/IPA camp. They are foul to the core.

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        • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

          Bookshelves should just resign. He’s misled the senate. What a Turd in a suit that Macdonald is. Offensive to the extreme, doesn’t understand what he’s there to do yet spews lie after lie. The other moron O’sullivan from the Nats, a buffoon yet complete idiots like him make laws. The only one missing what that finely sculpted George, someone who seems devoid of a brain.

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  13. Another gem from John Oliver.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RNBJFLU7Oc

    How many states will he actually win?

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  14. Well what do you know Uncle Bob wins the Noble prize for literature.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-13/bob-dylan-wins-nobel-prize-for-literature/7931116

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  15. just signing in

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  16. One hundred twenty thousand properties in Victoria are without power. No doubt it is the fault of solar panels and wind turbines again.

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    • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

      I wonder what the cause of the 1.1million houses in Florida being without power.

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    • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

      I said the same thing last night ! We had a bloody big storm on Tuesday and no power – didn’t make the news. Lost some 35 year old trees – one uprooted in driveway. Had to hire experts to bring down.

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  17. Did any wind turbines get blown over in S A?

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  18. AlgernonBennelong
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    The Minister for Bookshelves should just go, please George do the right thing and resign.
    Good score Ace

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  19. algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

    How wonderful it was to see 9 fine examples of Australia’s private school system and I suspect one of the excellent university colleges at one of countries oldest University’s. Groomed one suspects in the qualities of born to rule and to do whatever one likes in whatever countries that takes their fancy.

    What possesses people to wear national flags as an item of clothing. What makes people think that they can strip to their undies , get pissed and drink out of a shoe at an event of national pride in a socially conservative country and think there will be no consequences. I think the Malaysians were lenient.

    How piss weak are our journalists a press conference for them to express there “remorse” for their actions only to chase them to their Hire Car. These privileged gold plated dickheads are just that. That there are links for some to the Liberal party is no surprise.

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    • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

      Exactly. No flag should be worn as an item of clothing. It’s awful and disrespectful regardless of what one thinks of the flag (I don’t like ours!). They are all young libs Algy – idiots … always.

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      • Sea Monster's avatar Sea Monster said:

        No one in Young Labor ever gets drunk and makes an arse of himself/herself. Never has happened. Never will happen.

        And no Labor politician or union official would ever clamour to send their children to these elite private schools to be indoctrinated with this born-to-rule attitude.

        Another thing I’ve noticed. Take the Union Royal commission for example. It uncovers actually criminality. Actual corruption. Actual collusion between employers and union officials at the expense of workers. Actual violence and intimidation…

        Just a few bad apples. The real problem is the overblown and one-sided media coverage.

        But some drunken hi-jinx?

        That’s a story! That warrants saturation coverage! And it’s evidence of a systematic problem with the Liberal Party.

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        • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

          Oh dear SM must be Labor’s fault, is that your point. One of these dickheads was a staffer of Pyne’s, others were children of high ranking Liberal members.. Of course my comments about the journalists not doing their job or the wearing of the flag or even the Malaysians being too lenient meaningless to you. Must be Labor’s fault, pathetic.

          Yes SM these privileged little shits went to private schools and attended colleges of dubious civility.

          No the Royal commission witch hunt found what and what charges have been laid, explain. Oh and it was meant to get who exactly, Bill shorten Julia Gillard, The commissioner himself should have stood aside but didn’t.

          I’ll let you in on a little secret SM. Recently I found out that one of those seeking a Royal Commission into the Banking industry, you know that industry where 100000’s have been ripped of and had their lives ruined, was someone I knew in my early 20’s (“and yes got drunk with). He was a young Liberal then but not like these twits nowadays, worked for good. He was also a card carrying Liberal until they crossed the line on the behavior of children in detention. Fancy that someone who was a young Liberal calling for a Royal Commission that would do so much good. Now everyone except the government who are more content on a contrived show to look after their mates rather than something good.

          That’s whats warrants saturation coverage. Not these privileged dickheads.

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        • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

          A load of rot.

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        • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

          Correction – a load of rot except for the last sentence.

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  20. vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

    Having just recovered from the wedding on Saturday (I really did over do the dancing) we were then walloped by a bloody great storm on Tuesday, took out power and trees. Cleaned up some of the mess so we could get out driveway. We have one big (as in huge) tree uprooted in driveway, leaning on another tree. Yesterday I had the luck to get on to Riverina Tree Care guys who made it here in the afternoon complete with two trucks, huge chipper, a bob cat and a small dozer with extended grabber thingy. Most is cleaned up and we have piles of chunks of trees which a friend is coming to collect and turn into firewood. We are knackered.

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    • Gale force winds here on Tuesday Viv. Tutu survived in tact and she said she had never seen anything like it(Adelaide) and was without power 4 to 6 hours, not too bad in my view given the force of the storm.
      Just went down the local IGA to get some fruit juice and saw a whale swim past. Amazing.
      Sounds like you have had a busy week.

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      • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

        Acutely aware of what happened to Adelaide and South Australia as a whole. The storm (very high winds and rain) hit us but not everywhere – sort of narrow. Rain tanks have been overflowing for yonks and now the water no longer soaks in. Totally saturated.

        With Hume weir almost full the water being let out has now caused lots of flooding (mainly on the flood plains!) and people are grumbling. The Weir controls got a bit out of whack as rainfall keeps on keeping on and filling it as fast as they let it out.

        All is not over – double birthday party celebrations on the weekend for daughter No.1 and hubby. Food already in freezer (raw Aussie prawns, beef for roasting etc) so I was so glad our power outage was only 3 hours on Tuesday.

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  21. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/04/pigeon-indian-police-detain-bird-carrying-note-threatened-narendra-modi

    The pigeon was taken to Manus Island for questioning. ASIO asked

    1) Who is Bill Lawry
    2) What is your favourite bird seed?
    3) What is your favourite colour?

    AArgh….

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  22. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/oct/04/peter-slipper-diary-no-charges-for-ashby-or-brough-as-afp-drop-investigation

    I have totally lost confidence in the AFP. I never thought that I would see things like this happen in Australia.

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  23. algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

    And this is the level the ABC is coming up with now. What a shame a Murdoch toady is running the place.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-03/police-shoot-dog-during-gold-coast-arrest/7897888

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