The Dump

The Dump is:
For posting comments that don’t get up at the Drum, and for having a pleasant, mirthful or enlightening off-topic discussion.
It’s not for personal abuse of other commenters.
Please do that somewhere else if you must.
Play nicely or piss off.
However, why doesn’t a poster add a link for us to read and comment on here, much quicker. Maybe we can do a bit more bagging here, not that I speak for the moderators, yet.

NB: Being tiresome and boring, racist, sexist or just plain creepy is not playing nicely.

give a crap

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The Pig’s Arms exists because a dozen or so years ago our other favourite playpen – the ABC’s Unleashed blogsphere started to go off.  Like a sack of prawn heads  in the sun.  Something had to be done.

Moderation was taking forever.  Comments seemed to be rejected randomly – outrageous ones appeared and reasoned ones were pinged.   When they released the Drum / Unleashed ….. things actually got worse !

So many pieces from professional writers appear with no obvious merit.  And the moderation has become, to put it frankly, appalling.

As a former contributor and a commenter, I was deeply disappointed at the plummeting quality from our pre-eminent media empire.  And I resented so many challenging or dare I say, witty or funny posts in which we’ve invested seconds of our precious time – getting the chop.

So here, for all our benefit – is an open slather blog.  Copy and paste your best rejected comments here for posterity.  Does not matter whether you’re posting on the Guardian, First Dog on the Moon or wherever else.

And sprinkle pointers to the Pig’s Arms amongst your comments.  Let’s try to rescue some of the old faithful.

Cheers,

Emm.

15242 thoughts on “The Dump”

    • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

      That’s shocking.

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    • That they’re so late organising meals for the children surprised me. When I was working in community south of Adelaide we had a breakfast club for the kids at the community centre where I worked in the 1990s. I found this distressing, too to see the grief these journalists could not help reveal, their eyes so sad. I feel deeply for them.

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  1. Decided to have roast chicken for tea. Pre-heated the oven but when I put the chicken in the oven it wouldn’t sit still.

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  2. HOO, I have dispatched Part 3 to thee. Many thanks.

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  3. I made banana muffins for tea. The only problem was I didn’t have any bananas so I used baked beans instead. It also had yogurt which I didn’t have so I used off milk which lets face it is yogurt anyway. I didn’t have any flour so I ground up some rose petals and it needed an egg. By that time I was so hungry that I ate the egg raw and just added the shells. Baked for 20 minutes, not bad, even my magpies ate them and they are really fussy.

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  4. algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

  5. Testring.

    I tried to load a comment answer to Big M on my article The Sociology of A Place to Call Homes and it disappeared. When I tried again it told me i was making a duplicate comment.

    However it’s disappeared. Vanished. So testing to see if a comment will load here..

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  6. A comment of mine responding to Gez about the issue of nationality and citizenship has entirely disappeared off the map when I logged in to load it and was then transferred to log into WordPress, which I did. Pffff. Not even a puff of smoke. What an f this is.

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    • Something is seriously wrong with wordpress. I have done every thing I can as an administrator to fix the issue and have asked Mike to have a look into the problem. Maybe use honshades until Mike or me can sort it out.

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      • Thanks Hung. I have been online quite a lot in the last while so I reckon I will take some time out to finish Part 2 of the housing article, anyway. As well it’s come out sun after prolonged rain so the garden will get a mess in a week’s time. I’ll bide some time.

        I think to mention my mugshot is clearly visible at the top right hand corner of this page so no doubts at the moment I am logged in. Once I close the page after I, hopefully, enter this comment I will email you if I notice anything further.

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    • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

      I’ve no idea what is happening. I’m always logged in as I tick the box for it to remember me. Only when I clear two parts of my history do I have to relog in everywhere. Good luck.

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  7. Mark. Testing.

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  8. vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

    The Lodge: The price tag increased from $3.2 million under the Gillard government to nearly $12 million after the changes, while the eventual three-year timeframe denied Mr Abbott the chance to live in the historic home as prime minister.

    Nearly $4.5 million in contract blow outs, or 80 per cent of the cost increases identified by the review, have been blamed on changes ordered by the government.

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  9. It is odd to think that over half of us were either born overseas or have parents born overseas. Yet in Parliament we must avoid even the slightest tinge of having anything ‘foreign’ in our blood.

    Change the bloody constitution!

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    • Sorry Gerard I don’t agree. If you wish to enter parliament you need to check your heredity and renounce accordingly then nominate. I would not vote to change the constitution based on stupidity regardless of which part of the political spectrum you come from.

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      • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

        I agree HOO. Its not that hard to work out.

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        • My dad was a pom so I would have to renounce a citizenship I never applied for but really how hard is that. Me ma was an Aussie but had Irish parents again not really that hard to think through.

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          • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

            Mrs A and I have looked at this thinking neither of us would be in that situation but due to changes in laws in the 90’s that doesn’t seen to ring true. It appears that Mrs A could be a dual national. I could also apply for citizenship elsewhere (it’s not automatic) but would need to check some things with my father. Its not something I’d need to renounce though.

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          • But, but…If.. it is true we are such an accepting and multi national country it begs the question why that can’t be reflected in parliament.
            Renouncing a foreign nationality does not change who you are.
            Do rugby players or musicians have to renounce nationalities?

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          • I am really happy to have a multicultural Australia. The point with Section 44 is renounce all previous allegiances so you can become a member of Parliament and hence decide the rules that all Australians live under. My best friends growing up were Dutch Gerard, my best friends at school were Italian, my best friends locally were Welsh and English. Race isn’t the issue, being an Aussie is.

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          • Yes, Mark. But the point of a rule (Section 44) is surely to look at it and see if that is still relevant. Are we not overdoing this sticking to rules that were made decades ago? In my old country rules are forever changed and made better. It is called progress.

            Are we still so nationalistic that prevents us from seeing the world in a much bigger picture. Perhaps finally, even without borders!

            Did those politicians caught out with having different nationalities or dual nationalities govern us any better or worse if they had just the Australian nationality.?

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    • Beats me too, Gez. I think the reason is if we go to war with the inner citizen in ourselves (so to speak) they won’t have to throw everybody in Parliament into an internment camp. Only explanation mate. I had a peek at your avatar. Very noice.

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      • Exactly. It would not change the persons involved whatever their nationality.

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        • Short of a fascist government suppressing any expression of themselves, yes. Look at the bloke who under Churchill’s nose sold off the aeroplane design to Japan that revolutionised flying fighter planes on and off aircraft carriers thus putting immediately the cheapest means possible by which to design a fighter plane and to destroy Pearl Harbour into their hands. Not to overlook handing over someone else’s intellectual property and pocketing most likely. He was a shit whatever the flag of the country he was born in, I gotta wonder about that whole debacle.

          You and me are a bit up the creek because we detest this national boundaries thing that we can’t go hiking if we want when we want where we want, golly I bet libidinous too scratch our polygloss. Arsefart this national boundaries shit, oh well. (sigh).

          I think I get what HOO is on about. The issue he forwards is whether a parliamentarian is an Aussie. I do consider we want to be able to clap in stocks by whatever means legally available any shifty parliamentarian (who has legs I suddenly think). Well, that’s all theory but there we go. National boundaries shit for whatever other issues might be involved … and buggered if I know I’m so one-eyed, truly.

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  10. Sea Monster's avatar Sea Monster said:

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/bernardi-calls-for-parliament-to-be-suspended-as-citizenship-scandal-deepens-20170816-gxy0ae.html

    Fascist tries to prorogue parliament with loophole. What fun! What spectacle for politics junkies! Pass the popcorn!

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  11. algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

    So Barney’s a Kiwi, interesting. As is all of this

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    • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

      Karma. We’re loving it.

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      • Sea Monster's avatar Sea Monster said:

        In my opinion it is a dumb and anti-democratic rule. It is stupid that two Greens who did not even know they had an allegiance to a foreign country are deemed to have an allegiance and therefore barred from parliament.

        If it is wrong for Liberal to gloat at Greens for being barred on a technicality, it is probably wrong for Labor to gloat at Liberals being barred on that same technicality. But then again I haven’t surrendered my ethical life to the what’s expedient to a particular political party. So I’m morally deficient.

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        • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

          Probably given you have little problem being a troll

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        • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

          Not gloating because the Libs haven’t been barred at all. It is two Nats – a Senator and an MP (Deputy PM) – one has stepped aside and the other has not. It’s the PM’s two sets of rules which are enraging many people but we are all now just finding it hysterical. We can’t keep amending the Constitution by defacto High Court rulings – it’s need official amendment by Referendum.

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          • To be honest, in Barnacle’s case I think the kiwi nationality is a technicality. Some of those who stood down due to failing to renounce their non-Australian citizenship were either naive or dishonest. I think both sides of politics are making a meal of the whole thing, although I do wonder why, at the time of considering running for parliament, one doesn’t check to see if dual nationality will be a problem. The rules are there for all to see.

            This is a bit of a shambolic comment!

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    • Oh how the mighty have fallen.

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    • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

      Now I think the government has lost it. Two of the indi’s have withdrawn support concerning supply. It can only be a matter of time

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  12. algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

    Lobsters and Grange anyone?

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    • Sea Monster's avatar Sea Monster said:

      Yeah cause no Labor pollie eats lobster or mixes with criminals. Bloody Liberal Party!

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    • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

      Crayfish and craft beer or sparkling white for my birthday at home – every year for the past 40 years.

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      • honshades's avatar honshades said:

        Where do you get the crayfish from, Vivienne? (Please excuse my straitened imagination. One thing we do have here is sparkiing white, Hell I’m sure I think. 😀 )

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        • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

          From my fishmonger – Borella Road Seafood. He gets them fresh and cooks them in season. Mainly come from Melbourne – he goes to their market twice a week. He also gets extra special fabulous ones from the east coast from a special bloke. We do well for fish and seafood and sydney rock oysters though he gets them from SA when rockies are not at their best. Currently fresh scallops are delish. One of his offsiders (a trained chef) also cooks up a chowder which one can takeaway. You can also eat in. Seafood is my weakness. Also living close to a lot of wineries mean I’m also spoilt for choice but I often partake of SA goodies. I’m really half SA with great great parents who settled and mined in the Burra.

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          • Beautiful town Burra, lots of history.

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          • honshades's avatar honshades said:

            Wow, Vivienne, you’re well placed for purchase of seafood. They’ve got a flash website too. Thank you for such an insight. A friend of mine many years ago now who was working at a major tourist hotel in Cairns had a restaurant Albury/Wodonga way, some time again before we knew each other. He loved it there. I’ve been to Burra. I’ve known a few people for whom at one time or another Burra was home. It is a romantic place with its rich history. Because my mother’s family were miners among other pursuits in Nymbool in North Queensland, Cornish migrants, I identified with the imagined voices I could hear and bustle I could see, groupings of people, industrious busy-ness, mining accidents, the rise and decline of the town. I felt the loss of place knowing my own family’s history. Its very special your great greats were in Burra.

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          • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

            Visited there too. Yep copper miners but also went onto be publican of the local Commercial Hotel where we chose to stay. After that they were builders in Adelaide.

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      • Shows how backward these Libs are, you would never serve Grange with Lobster a sparkling Pinot, say Grant Burge or a SE(South Australia) Coast Chardonnay.

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        • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

          Pearls to swine Hung. Mrs A worked for a then bidding Telecomm once. The owner was drinking Grange with all those on his table at a Christmas Party. Not the rest though.

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        • Just remembered one of the best chardonnays I ever tasted came from the Paracombe winery in the Adelaide Hills and would suit lobster beautifully. Testing my sommelier skills now.

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          • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

            There are places in Australia that make some very good chardonnays. With Mrs A Christmas Party though why you would be drinking Grange with the VIPs was beyond me. The food was nothing special to warrant it. He is a billionaire now though.

            I was in the south of the state during the week for work and heard Jon Faine interview Michael Kroger about it. Liable comment after liable comment and not a scherick of proof to any of his comments. Faine just just kept on blowing holes in him and Kroger just kept biting.

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          • honshades's avatar honshades said:

            I stumbled this very last night into a television programme hosted by Gerard Depardieu about food and wine. It was a bit like watching a train wreck I grant it because how else could I experience it listening to him describe his out of control exultations that he eats. He eats and eats. He lives to eat or something similar that he said. He described it in his childhood too. I admit I reflected on the joy he must find in being able to eat whatever he wants and likely whenever he wants. More than this foregoing, I’ll say I like a nice red and never mind if its coarse and a bit on the gritty side, I like a red.

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          • honshades's avatar honshades said:

          • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

            I watched Gerard Dep..s’ tv series. It’s a bit over the top but interesting. I got a good idea of his views. He certainly loves his food – getting bigger and bigger as a result.

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          • honshades's avatar honshades said:

            He’s such a house. I swear my body would have given up long ago. :/

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    • Let’s play “Lobster with a mobster” !!

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  13. honshades's avatar honshades said:

    Watched the school kids on Q&A. Stumbled on the following over breakfast. Good start to the day.

    https://shift.newco.co/amp/p/38b843bd4fe0

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  14. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/05/nra-new-york-times-video-coming-for-threat-dana-loesch

    Hey NRA, we are still waiting for the one good guy with a gun to take out the one bad guy with a gun. One of my neighbours is a US citizen, I posed this question to him, I said a 9mm glock versus and automatic assault rifle. His answer was at least he would get a shot in before he was killed. Sad but true.

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  15. honshades's avatar honshades said:

    Mark, good HOO, please not think I not workee. I am writing a straight piece on renting. Please not think I not workee. Thank you, pleasee not forget however it is so cold at moment again I am very, very freezy.

    ‘Shoe ( CBW 🙂 )

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    • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

      Guess thats what you get from cost cutting and outsourcing your engineering overseas without proper checks and balances.

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      • Exactly Ace. Bloody terrible the way some things in the world are heading.

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        • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

          A lot of it is “union busting” nonsense. Sure it can be done cheaper overseas, but if you’re not monitoring it then its of little worth. I looked at outsourcing some of our work to Indonesia with our office there in the early 1990’s, sure it was cheap however it would have needed constant monitoring and a visit probably one week in four. In the end Status Quo

          It’s a it like that goose who’s CEO for Cricket Australia, thinks elite Cricketers are like miners.

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        • We had a couple of quantas engineers in our street. Back in the 60s and 70s, if an engineer said a plane wasn’t fit to fly, it didn’t. Nowadays they are under pressure to keep them in the sky, and review problems ‘next time around’. Whenever that is.

          Plenty of Newcastle manufacturing has gone to China. In the first lots of axle sets for trains the wheels developed flat spots the first time the brakes were used. There are now Australian engineers in those factories constantly monitoring quality.

          My cousin’s husband has been overseeing a huge clothing factory in China for years. He said that if there is a downturn in sales, they retool and retrain the entire factory to make something completely different over a weekend. They don’t give a fuck what they do, and certainly don’t build up to a standard.

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  16. Sea Monster's avatar Sea Monster said:

    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/icac-operation-credo-report-fresh-corruption-findings-against-obeid-tripodi-and-kelly-20170802-gxo7zy.html

    I really don’t get McClymont’s obsession with this. After all, these guys were bit players. They served the mere oeripheral role of king-makers who installed and then knifed a procession of premiers. And seriously once Labor recognised the piddling problem, it only took three decades to work them out of the party. And I for one am certain they aren’t still pulling strings and twisting arms in certain State and Local Government corridors.

    Storm in a teacup! The bloody Liberal Party on the other hand!

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  17. Sea Monster's avatar Sea Monster said:

    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/icac-to-release-longawaited-report-on-australian-water-holdings-20170802-gxnjkr.html

    Very interesting article about how the Liberal Party and the Liberal Party alone is systematically corrupt. It’s seems several Liberal politicians were conspiring with… well with no one as far as I can tell. That’s right they were conspiring with no one to rip off the NSW public. Bloody Liberal Party!

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    • honshades's avatar honshades said:

      wtf as tempting as it is to ignore these

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    • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

      Seems you have forgotten the Royal Commission into Union Corruption etc and the grilling of Gillard and Shorten and the months and months of publicity and accusations and it’s still referred to regularly by Liberal MPs and PM in parliament. You’re pathetic SM with your comments.

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    • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

      From a comment on the Guardian (clarifies matters for SM)

      “This is for starters -according to the watered-down ICAC, Labor identities were found guilty of criminal misconduct, Liberals weren’t. What a crock of ‘proverbial’.

      It seems Arthur escaped penalty, due to the fact that at the time of the ‘allegations’ he faced, he was not a member of the NSW government. The initial powers of ICAC were conveniently altered by the time the Libs fronted up, so only MPs were investigated, those operating in a private capacity weren’t. Very convenient …”

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      • Baird had to cripple the ICAC as too many Liberals were caught with their fingers in the till. On corrupt pollies, couldn’t care which party, get rid of the lot of them.

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  18. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-31/seven-common-myths-about-pet-cats/8759166
    The seven ways of preventing these myths
    1. Load
    2. Aim
    3. Shoot
    4. Laugh maniacally
    5. Rejoice with friends and neighbours
    6. Throw them in the garbage bin.
    7. Repeat steps 1 to 6.

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  19. Security has been tightened around grocery stores when cucumbers were found to act suspiciously. There are queues around the kale section.

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  20. Well done, Shoe.
    There is a frog in everyone of us,… somewhere.

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    • honshades's avatar honshades said:

      Thank you and that’s gorgeous, Gez. I think, yes that sums up the phenomenon of the love the frog basks in. Ooh believe me I know he basks in it. What a showman eh. Would we were all so blessed.

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  21. honshades's avatar honshades said:

    Bit of a story to tell you. Title: the frog came home.

    When I wrote the toad into my recent 3-part satire featuring Gordon and the Bish, it was part reflection on the lonely feeling that developed in me as the years have gone by for the frog. I am crazy knowledgeable about the frog joke and that psychology, won by a sort of trial by observation and fire. I kept growing with the frog especially as I have kept meeting fans of the frog and in a moment of insight recently even conceived of the idea what fun it would be to facilitate groups of fans to teach them the template I developed through the process of writing the frog joke. They could as an outcome write their own joke … not necessarily based on a character that is a frog but of their own choice … but following the template and its logic. If its hip to be a fan of the frog joke, to write their own would be so very cool and contribute to building community. Funny I’ve never conceived before of myself in another country in a heart of fandom, but I visualised myself in that same instant in the United States, doing the sort of work I did in community previously facilitating writer’s groups, but through the frog, building community. If I believed in God I would sure say he’s a mysterious fucker the way he thinks up good ideas, day dreams.

    However, I am in the thump of coming down to earth and landing truly accustomed to fans I sought on some level to befriend instead running off in the opposite direction when I tell them I wrote it. Even as I wrote about that loneliness in the recent story for the Arms, a small type of miracle had happened while I was busy writing it.

    It begins where a little while ago I googled the frog joke as I periodically do to see what the frog’s up to and I stumbled on the Ed Opperman Report titled A Frog Walks Into a Bank. Some of you may know who Ed is or may know him. Ed is many things and he lives and works in America. I listened to the Report and I was charmed listening to it. Of course I have an ear for radio and experience of it. I know voice all the more for losing the quality of my own to Spasmodic Dysphonia. I joined up to the membership and logged in to write to Ed to tell him how much I enjoyed the show and that I wrote the frog joke.

    When I wrote the toad story I was really for sure positive I would not hear from Ed and that is a part measure of how lonely I have been. I was also getting very ill. Everything passed me by.

    I noticed yesterday now, Friday morning Ed titled a recent show A Frog Walks into a Bank Pt 2. I raced to listen to it.

    He talks as he does about this and that to open. He had been off work a couple weeks moving office and he had been horribly ill with a virus. He gets around to the title of the programme, so he tells the story that a woman had written to him from Australia. He read most of my email out that I wrote the frog joke and he made it clear what my name is.

    I did not ask him to do that. It’s just charming to listen to. We touched each other’s hearts and there is no doubt left about that. He was purely thrilled. Interesting that his template as he has a background originally in ministry is to weave a moral tale, he utilised the meaning of communication and its importance drawing a conclusion of wonder out of my writing to him from ‘the other side of the world almost’ in Australia. He describes my hearing his report and mailing him as a miracle of communication and the resources we have to now communicate and I’m good with that. I’m very across what he said that the wonder is people of like minds can find each other as they never have before. He did his homework of course, I believe no doubt googling me verifying I exist and I’m out there before he threw his all into making my writing to him and that I wrote the frog joke the pivot of his programme.

    I cried. What else would I do. Really it’s having a child acknowledged as your own. I so deeply appreciate he recognised my voice by email was sincere and he brought the frog home to me in a special sense really although he likely cannot realise how great the significance is to me of being acknowledged in the way he acknowledged me in a programme designed for the citizenry of the United States.

    As the years have gone by, of course as a child does, the frog has taught me a great deal and I have feelings of great gratitude to him as if he exists in a time warp outside of myself. And of course he does and he is an errant frog, matching his reputation in every way so I have loved him more and more that damned rolling stone of a frog, but that people communicate and share his off the wall idea, its controversy, are a community and the curiosity even that people who knock the frog are remarkably shown short shrift. One hell of a lot of thought and nous went into writing the frog.

    I cried almost all day getting to grips with this. And to think that when I was a kid I always wanted to be famous haha. 🙂

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    • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

      At last – recognition. All the best Shoe. I am sure you are feeling pretty darn good and happy. I share your joy.

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      • honshades's avatar honshades said:

        Thanks Viv. Yes, I’m happy. I am really very happy for us all that the frog made a very sweet friend who acknowledged me. 🙂

        If you would like some time to listen to it the two reports are loaded to Youtube, the first one is titled A Frog Walks Into a Bank and the second A Frog Walks into a Bank Pt 2 contains the description of my mail to him, title The Opperman Report. I found the content other than the joke in the first one a delight to listen to so I got absorbed in it. His reference to the joke in the first report starts at 30:26, but his own story about breathing out of his ear that I found hilarious good fun begins at 40:00. Pt 2 he explains at 35:11 telling the joke to set the scene and goes on to describe my email and his joy. Oh it’s really so delightful. 🙂

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    • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

      Well done Shoe, always nice to see recognition in our small community. I concur with vivienne

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      • honshades's avatar honshades said:

        Thank you algy. I really appreciate that. If you would like to listen the details are included immediately above in my reply to Viv.

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      • Me too and if my like button worked I’d push that as well. Good on you shoe, love ya work.

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      • honshades's avatar honshades said:

        Thank you Hung. Thank you double fold.

        I guess you tried logging out of everything and maybe clearing the cookie cache, logging back in. And googled the WordPress like button not working. Other than that I guess email to WordPress and ask them what the go is…

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