Coalition National Broadband Policy Explained
12 Friday Apr 2013
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Looks like a great plan. BTW, how will it deal with 4KTV and 8KTV.
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Wally.
How will Super Hi-Vision be broadcast?
The Olympic Games demonstrations are being transmitted over high capacity academic fibre-optic networks such as JANET in the UK, with international streams managed by NKK of Japan, to Washington DC, Tokyo and Fukushima.
╠═╣OWEVER, Dr Kubota of NHK expects that 100Mbps Super Hi-Vision data streams will cause congestion for IP networks, and predicts that broadcasters will opt for satellite at first, followed by TERRESTRIAL UHF. NHK is working on satellite technology using the 21GHz band, and has tested a new type of terrestrial TV modulation scheme in the laboratory.
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Terrestrial! Got that.
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So let me see, when I’m in a video conference in say in two or three years time when its conceivable that this technology is possibly cheap enough. The network that the Liberals propose won’t be able to cope with the technology.
I say this because I regularly video conference at work and so do most of my colleagues . From one of our sites the link regularly drops out. Others work fine where the where there are good connections. This isn’t anything new many organisations video conference, schools etc, even individuals fancy that.
What of modern medicine ever though of that e-medicine to the bush. Fancy that something that could save time and costs.
Anyhow you enjoy being dazzled at the hospital. All those wonderful machines that go ping.
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NSW Health has installed a whole lot of e-medicine facilities, which, if there is sufficient bandwidth, work a treat, particularly with video intubation for children, etc. Many centres have insufficient bandwidth for the observers to make any sense of what is happening to the patient, so, all of those cameras are rendered useless. Likewise, prenatal scanning could be done by a sonographer in a small centre, with a specialist in a larger centre looking on. This doesn’t happen, so obstetricians waste time driving to the country to do scans. These are only a couple of examples which happen every day in NSW!
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Your wrote,’say’; ‘conceivable’ and possibly.
Hardly evidence.
I video conference satisfactorily. Sometime it drops out when I’m doing it to Finland.
Yes Hospitals need fibre. That’s what they will get.
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Clearly missed the two or three years time. These technologies are available now and wouldn’t work on Abbott’s soup can and string telecommunications policy. They’ll need to be retrofitted to even make them work in the future.
“Yes Hospitals need fibre. That’s what they will get”, somehow I doubt it in Abbott’s brave new world. He’s got form.
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http://www.news.com.au/technology/telstra-advertorial
I have this. I was conferencing with someone who was at Bogata airport a couple of days ago. He was using an iPad and their wifi.
The debate is whether to connect thousands of homes for people to download movies, not businesses, when we can’t afford it.
I know it never occurs to anyone on the left that things have to be paid for. So the debate has been skewed into which is the best system.
Well, if we worked as hard as The Germans, we could pay for fibre everywhere, however, we don’t deserve it, or need it.
I wonder, honestly, how many people in your street will need 100mbps?
You’re just digging a hole for your self with all of this prop[ogandas about everyone needing it.
They do need the www, but not superfast.
I can’t imagine being faster. I know in theory I can get 100mbps – but what the fuck am I gonna do with it, that I can’t do now?
We need the money going to education, for a start. Many Australians can hardly read and write.
We need fast BB, in hospitals….Duh? Of course.
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You seem to frame everything in this conservative mantra that we can’t afford it, we cant’ afford anything. you also bring out this garbage “if we work as hard as the Germans”. If you bother to look you might find we work more hours than they do, in fact we work more hours than most.
10 years ago I started a business from from home. The broadband that I started of with was about the fastest I could get at the time and gave me 1 gig of monthly downloads running off one computer. Now 10 years later still running that same business albeit at a far reduced level, given I now work for a SOC, I still have the fastest broadband but have a 200 gig monthly downloads.Where I’ve got to uni students and a senior high school student as well as two others downloading and uploading. I’ve been choked once on this plan and came close last month. The point is in 10 years there has been a 200% increase in usage. Now we aren’t downloading movies willy nilly like the tories might suggest. so why would our usage be greatly different to my neighbours.
The debate has sod all to do with connecting homes etc. Its about building something that is basically future proof. The coalition policy isn’t future proof, in fact it will need serious upgrading before its even start, so the windbag joe number of $29.5b is simply a dishonest number.
On education I agree, particularly in places like Queensland which is well behind the rest of the country. Fund public schools properly and stop funding the private sector. It is quite clear that the countries education standards collapsed under Howard. But really that is a diversion to the debate on the NBN.
But back to the hospitals yes they should have high speed broadband and could do so much more on to p of that they could be more cost effective. Which brings me back to the video conferencing, far more productive to have a conference where once you’ve finished you can get back to work. Instead of a face to face where it may require flying or driving and losing the day. We have video conferencing facilities at many of our offices (in the country which brings us back to the hospitals) where the connection just drops out as the network in those cities is simply inadequate. The coalition plan will not fix that.
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You can download as much as you like 100, 200 1000 gigabytes whatever. You can buy the quantity of bytes that you like. Obviously with big household you need more.
The debate is about the speed!
Why do you need a faster speed?
It sounds to me as if you don’t……And if you do for business, then why should the wage earners of Australia subsidise your workplace?? You should pay!
Most people will be comfortable with uploads of about “25Mbps”. That’s pretty damn fast. I get 40-50. And faster on downloads.
I don’t think that your quite in tune with the whole proposal really, Algy.
Good pun eh? Tune….Fridays 🙂
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Well I liked your last line.
Oh I’m quite in tune, a point I’m making is that 10 years ago the needs are different to what they are now. It’s the same with speed, what is adequate now is not going to be in two three or even 10 years time.
The coalition proposal is a fraud on all levels. Its cost its ability to deliver. Even Malcolm thinks its a fraud, he’s just the poor bunny that has to sell the crock. Even conservative commentators a panning it.
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@ P, You speak of downloading movies – implying the very thought someone will do that speaks volumes about self indulgence. I am a reference point for a woman isolated by circumstances who is in a queue for an operation that has been severally thwarted by inadequacies in our health services and a waiting list but take on board that an ambulance booked to convey her to surgery did not turn up the last attempt so that her position on the waiting list is jeapordised while she waits for weeks to find out when she is rescheduled. She can’t take regular pain killers and while the rich get richer meanwhile, walking the floor of her house successive nights in a row crying with pain, sometimes walking mine.
The crass world we live in delivers value judgements like your comment about downloading movies but she lives on a diet of movies from the library now being watched for the second and third times around that are her only regular companionship. She has lived a life to date of astute attention to responsibility and a public service career looking after others with needs that someone assist them (and she did). My friend is reduced to the most pitiable circumstance on the face of any planet real or imagined. Think on reducing sweeping statements to the particular and rethink that this situation is replicated in Australia over and over.
It causes me despair to think of anybody establishing a view on the desireability or otherwise of the NBN for downloading movies as if an ‘ordinary’ person has no right anyway to prioritise downloading movies as a basic need this day and age, but imagine particularly after a lifetime of relative privileged access to movies and movie theatre and as well the companionship of a workplace only to be laid low by a situation not within my friend’s control that she is isolated.
As for discriminating that hospitals will have this supply, who are you or imagine you are or is this the royal implied ‘we’ to speak as if you have power to determine who will get it and who will not when the policy in the first place justifying people isolated in their homes, is theoretically ‘hospital at home’. NBN becomes even more imperative and important because we do not have enough personnel or resources to properly manage these situations even in the populated environments let alone isolated rural environments.
We desperately need the NBN in the situation we do not have SBS, we do not have ABC Radio National yet are only between three and four hours from Adelaide, how excruciating and discriminating in this day and age that anybody imagine they can draw value judgements and lines in the sand out of what situation is worth more than someone else’s in this reference and the quality of the supply of broadband comes at the moment at such a high price in rural environments where the range of plans is simply not available that are in the cities. If you lived it for even two months of isolation suffering the extreme conditions my friend is of isolation you might describe your position in different terms.These conditions are poverty stricken for the want of ANY serviceable infrastructure and the NBN is at the very least the beginning of an inclusive and uninterrupted conversation alone across a number of sectors.
Ironically my ill friend values her experience working in community television learning and contributing film making and editing above any other. You go right to the jugular regards what is important to her and would transform the sadness and isolation she lives with.
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“Finland is one of the most “wired” countries in the world, with high-speed Internet access being standard at work and in the home. In 2010 Finland introduced landmark laws guaranteeing broadband access to every person living in Finland, regardless of the fact that some of the population live in secluded, sparsely populated regions. Service is very reliable.”
The above is for Persecuted, could the Liberals achieve this?
I believe all Finnish parties worked together to achieve this…why do you Liberals always say NO to progress?
Why not be happy with Labor’s better plan?
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I’m happy with my 40Mbps. It comes by a sierra modem.
You and gerad only need 5Mbps.
You’ll have some left over. Perhaps you could donate it to Africa, to feed the poor?
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Helvi, you really should do your research on BB, in Finland, before you comment.
It’s mainly ADSL, and the fibre that they will install will be private.
Thanks for helping Malcolm’s case though, he owes you a drink for alerting us.
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‘Of course Hospitals and businesses that need very, very, ultra, super dooper, gltzy witzy, incredibly fast whizz bang, instant, can get it now anyway.’ Do they? I’d like to see that!
‘Take 70 billion; throw it up in the air and see where it lands.’ Don’t know the origins of 70 billion, but I do know that the nations telecommunications carrier, Telstra, has been allowed to completely run down, with no maintenance, let alone infrastructure spending, since the Howard gummint flogged it off. Most see the NBN costs as the money we should have spent on infrastructure over the last fifteen years. Telecom, the precursor of Telstra, was a world leader in fibreoptics, back in the 80s. First long distance fibreoptic connection in the world was Sydney to Melbourne. First CBD in the world to have all fibreoptic telephony was Melbourne. Now we are the laughing stock!
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Well, I am involved daily, with Robina Hospital; Gold Coast Hospital and Prince Charles Cardiac Hospital (Brisbane). They all have super-fast with thousands of computers in every corridor, with hundreds of staff logging every item.
I know that you are in Health, Big. So surely you have broadband? If you haven’t, you should have.
However the debate is, whether it’s necessary in every bodies homes??
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Debate… you wouldn’t know how to debate.
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Charming. Well, nothing to see here then. No wonder atomou, voice,. myself et al disappeared.
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It seems to me that you can dish it out to the likes of Viv and Algy, but can’t take it. Oh well. You’re right, nothing to see here!
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I even heard Big Joe saying that the gummint was thinking too far ahead with the NBN, and should wait until things break down to repair/upgrade them!
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Labor’s plan.
Take 70 billion; throw it up in the air and see where it lands.
Then when it’s realised that Kevin & Nerida want to use it to blog at The PigsArms and play online lotto, it will be too late. The young will have moved on to tablets and Phablets.
However, they will still have to pay back the 70 billion.
I suppose that it just doesn’t occur to anyone (downunder) that the whole dynamic has changed.
S. Korea and GB, have realised that most of the traffic is on the hoof, not from chair bound grey nomads…
Of course Hospitals and businesses that need very, very, ultra, super dooper, gltzy witzy, incredibly fast whizz bang, instant, can get it now anyway.
But then this came from the geniuses who thought that they could change the world’s climate, by taxing a few Aussie middle-class workers.
Roll on September 14th: Freedom day!
PS: Gillard is has arranged for some talks with The Chinese. To educate them on Bullet trains and airport building; manufacturing and computer design, perchance?
OR, is it that China wants to make sure Hansel (Grimm), is well fed -to be ripe for the plucking ?
PPS, go and look in the mirror, and ask yourself, “honestly”, what will you do with these glitzy, ‘must have’ speeds, that you can’t do now?
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You are too kind !
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Wotya gonna do with cable Vivienne? Paint your fingernails?
Or, will you become a graphic artist?
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