The Dump

The Dump is:
For posting comments that don’t get up at the Drum, and for having a pleasant, mirthful or enlightening off-topic discussion.
It’s not for personal abuse of other commenters.
Please do that somewhere else if you must.
Play nicely or piss off.
However, why doesn’t a poster add a link for us to read and comment on here, much quicker. Maybe we can do a bit more bagging here, not that I speak for the moderators, yet.

NB: Being tiresome and boring, racist, sexist or just plain creepy is not playing nicely.

give a crap

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The Pig’s Arms exists because a dozen or so years ago our other favourite playpen – the ABC’s Unleashed blogsphere started to go off.  Like a sack of prawn heads  in the sun.  Something had to be done.

Moderation was taking forever.  Comments seemed to be rejected randomly – outrageous ones appeared and reasoned ones were pinged.   When they released the Drum / Unleashed ….. things actually got worse !

So many pieces from professional writers appear with no obvious merit.  And the moderation has become, to put it frankly, appalling.

As a former contributor and a commenter, I was deeply disappointed at the plummeting quality from our pre-eminent media empire.  And I resented so many challenging or dare I say, witty or funny posts in which we’ve invested seconds of our precious time – getting the chop.

So here, for all our benefit – is an open slather blog.  Copy and paste your best rejected comments here for posterity.  Does not matter whether you’re posting on the Guardian, First Dog on the Moon or wherever else.

And sprinkle pointers to the Pig’s Arms amongst your comments.  Let’s try to rescue some of the old faithful.

Cheers,

Emm.

15242 thoughts on “The Dump”

  1. The destruction of the kernel of our Democracy.

    Just as they weren’t going to privatise Medicare, they aren’t going to privatise the ABC!
    Pigshit and bullshit is now flying full bore!

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  2. I can’t for the life of me understand what this means in the context of the article:
    The Donald and BoJo: A cautionary tale
    ———
    RickAstley:

    04 Jul 2016 7:45:10pm

    You know the rules and so do I.

    You are about to get rick rolled Jews! Do not let any of these jews survive! Kill them all indefinetly!

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  3. That’s politics Atomou.

    In democracies, we are ‘governed’ by politicians.

    But the truth is, we are ‘ruled’ by the top ten percent.

    Take Greece for example.
    Do you think there is a difference between the Elite in Greece and the Elite in Germany, France, England, Russia, China, South Africa, America, Rome and Carthage?

    No…… There isn’t.

    It’s the same ‘system’

    Democracy is just an illusion.

    Ps. Xenophon is another politician. He is a member of the same political club.

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    • Xenophon is a Liberal, what else can I say.

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    • Hph, sorry if I made anyone think that I like the man. He’s a Liberal through and through. Worse than Malcolm because his tongue is even more silvery and with many more forks than the Royal Dragon Restaurant in Bangkok!

      But he is the new boy in the block. The new General, eating away at the armies of the other three.
      In my opinion, his party MPs will do what the trio of the Palmer Party did and abandon him, once they find out more about him… that is if they have any moral compass at all.

      Still, I do advocate for as many voices in parliament as possible so that their antipathists will cancel out the worse excesses of their policies.

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      • Thanks for clearing that up Atomou. I didn’t think that you like the man but I didn’t understand exactly what it was you were trying to say about him. Sounds more like that famous game-theory riddle (3-way duels) He’s the only one left alive at the end of the story.

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    • Sea Monster's avatar Sea Monster said:

      When I worked in Local Government, one day I was 10 cents short on a coffee. The shop keeper told me not to worry about it. Public servants are ethically and professionally required to avoid situations that create or seem to create a sense of obligation. I might have had to sue her unpaid fees. Or she might have asked me to write them off.

      So I left the coffee there and came back with the coin. And then drank it lukewarm.

      That’s the standard I set myself. That’s why I stopped going to Labor election parties.

      When I was at the Mary Easson election party I mentioned below, there was a chap there who had been mentioned in a Local Government corruption enquiry. Could have been ICAC but don’t quote me. Was a long time ago.

      23 years later he’s before ICAC again in relation to Botany and Auburn councils. In my opinion he’s in deep trouble this time. Also in my opinion his appointments to Botany and Auburn both look political. That in my opinion contravenes the letter and spirit of the 1993 Local Government Act.

      I could tell you some stuff about Labor ineptitude, corruption, waste and nepotism that would curl your hair but I don’t want to get Emm sued .Or me.

      So given you and I hold similarly low opinion s of politicians and politics I’m struggling to work out why you dump buckets on me when I call Labor cheerleading on The Drum. We’re on the same side!

      My stance is that if you see fraud you shout fraud. Doesn’t matter who’s doing it.

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      • Hah! What was the charge for that cup of coffee? Two dollars?.. Four dollars? Can you guess the cost of that cup of coffee for the shop owner?

        Coffee + milk + sugar + cup = No more than 50 cents. Think about it.

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    • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

      I guess we end up with the government we elect. It shows Turnbulls folly in going to a Double Dissolution. If he had to then last year would have delivered a landslide. Now we’ll most likely go to the polls sometime between now and Christmas. In the meantime we’ll have the likes of Pauline Pantsdowns Racist Nation with seats or Derryn Hinch for six years.

      I suppose the LNP are now reaping what they’ve sown.

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  4. Sunday bloody, bloody Sunday.

    Sunday, 3.07.16

    The day after the election.

    When the Greek General, Pyrrhus looked over the vast battlefield of Asculum in 279 BC, and saw 3,500 of his soldiers and over 6,000 Romans lie in a pile of bloody gore, he said, “If we are victorious in one more battle with the Romans, we shall be utterly ruined!”
    It is an observation which all three Generals of Australian politics will be making when the results of these elections are known. They will remember -or will certainly be reminded of what has become known as a Pyrrhic victory.

    All three: Turnbull, Shorten and Dinatale will be looking across the battlefield with a heavy heart, lamenting their stupid tactics and while they’ll be claiming victory to the populus, they’ll be thinking about their resignations as Generals.
    There is now a new young General, with a new young army, who stood at the hills around the battlefield and waited until the battle between the two majors, the two old armies was over, before he sounded the attack.
    That man is Xenophon, whose name, incidentally means, “he of the foreign voice,” effectively a “foreigner” and more effectively, in ancient Greek, “a barbarian.” In other words, “not one of us.”
    He’s the “outsider” the “outlier,” the only true victor of the battle.
    (So as not be too navigatory here, I’ll simply add that the word barbarian had no disparaging connotations as it does today but it does mean, that he was a foreigner and thus not a Greek, able to claim the cudos of being one of us.)

    Even if he wins the battle, Turnbull could well be turfed out as a General because he has lost too many seats, and gained nothing in the process since the mix of the Senate will most probably be the same in its effectiveness to block his legislation.
    He had made many mistakes, including the calling of an early election, the knifing of Abbott (this, his detractors will hammer relentlessly him with) and because his rhetoric was hollow, far too loud and merely a counterfeit coin which the populus saw that.
    No one has believed that the Libs won’t privatise health care to its maximum. They will do so in every conceivable, indirect way. Health, like Education and every other service that a taxpayer is entitled to will become privatised, unaffordable and lethally dismantled.

    Turnbull might well win the election but he has certainly lost the victor’s prize, that of a mandate.

    Shorten will be seen as the mistake that was glaring at every Labor member and supporter, at every member of its Parliamentary team.
    He slept right through the battle, while almost all of his barricades were breeched and woke up just in time to protect its last one by which time, most of his soldiers lie in the Pyrrhic pile of gore.
    He too, should have been turfed out a long time ago, or, even more wisely, never given the pit helmet he was wearing during his slumber and during his charade-parade through the shopping centres.
    His rhetoric reached few and convinced even fewer.

    Dinatale’s appearance on the throne of the Greens frightened his own troops. Certainly frightened me as he upturned one leftish policy after another and moved the party to the Right where the battle raged.
    He, too, should be thrown out and replaced by a true believer.

    All three Generals failed the Populus and all three now have more in common with the sizzled sausages, ravaged with great relish by the voters, than with anything remotely related to parliament.

    And we are left with a nightmare. The nightmare to beat all nightmares: Turnbull will say to his party, “Righto, then, fuck you. Bring back Abbott, if you want, I’m outa here.” And Abbott is brought back, again only to be replaced the last minute before the next election, after he had ravaged the country and before some other silver forked tongue appears.

    Now that’s a nightmare!

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    • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

      I took the Algenonina’s down to vote yesterday. The Greens are the natural constituency of the younger voter. The youngest is a bit to the left of me and voting in her first federal election. She liked the fact that the party names were on the ballot paper, she commented that she could then put Liberal, Labor and the Greens last. The irony here is she sees The Greens as mainstream.

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      • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

        Lovely to hear from you Ato. How goes the front herb garden.

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        • Hi, Vivienne.
          Very popular. Lots of door knocks and questions about different herbs and whether I could also plant so and so.

          The vegie patch at the back has just been tilled and a few winter thingies have just been planted. A wonderful young couple who live around the corner have taken it over, pretty much and henceforth we’ll be sharing the harvests!

          Our gorgeous little divinity is now seven months and getting more edible by the day, though nobody thought that was ever possible. Just thinking about her gets our heart pounding like the most enthusiastic tympanist!

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        • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

          Our gorgeous Olivia is now 11 months old. Family here for dinner last night. She steals the show every time.
          I gather your are sharing the work and the spoils of the garden. Sounds lovely. Trust you are well.

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      • Yep, Emmlet II voted Green – but Linda Burney got in anyway – and Tim the Cabin Boy voted for the first time. He voted Green too – but Albo increased his majority – which is the rightful thing to happen.

        Interesting that a swag of senate dickheads was removed – and replaced with a newer and bigger set of dickheads !

        Trouble is that Australia has already wasted the best part of a decade doing fuck all except softening and slowing the seemingly inevitable economic downturn – and pissing huge amounts of taxpayers cash on military tools, sorry toys.

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    • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

      But ….. Cathy won ! Mirabella is in a personal and well deserved hell of a mess.

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    • Sea Monster's avatar Sea Monster said:

      Abbott’s Crypto-Fascist faction is already getting excited. I think it should take a deep breath.

      Abbott suffered a swing against in his own electorate.

      Against a well known Labor mayor, my local member Craig Laundy bucked the national trend and achieved a swing to LNP.

      Laundy led several backbench revolts against the Abbott-Fascist and Libertarian factions including racial vilification and rolling Abbott. More recently he contradicted Dutton on his unemployable, job-stealing, refugee doublethink.

      My gut feeling is that Laundy is reading the mood of the people better than Abbott.

      Just by the by I stumbled onto the local Labor election party when I went to watch the footy at the club last night. It was a small and low-key affair.

      I was at Mary Easson’s election party in 1993 ( at Saint Nectarios church hall in Burwood – there’s my Greek theme) and it was a massive gala. Bob Gould dropped by.

      Wonder what’s going on. Is it a function of declining membership and disengagement? Or is Labor just directing the resources elsewhere?

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  5. Here’s something I writ in 2010 about a hung parliament

    Hung’s Parliament

    some of it still relevant

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  6. Senior Liberal Minister Julie Bishop described the NXT as a “phenomenon”.

    “People are turning to it,” Ms Bishop said.

    “I seriously don’t understand it, because Nick, himself, can’t deliver anything.

    “He can’t deliver a budget. He can’t deliver debt relief.

    “He can’t provide any policies that would be implemented.

    Poor old Julie talking here about Nick X when she started describing the Liberals.

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    • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

      These Liberals are in complete denial Mark. They don’t get that Turnbull has stuffed this and stuffed it badly. It’s looking like a hung Parliament and nobody being able to form a workable majority. My guess is we’ll be back for an election for the Reps fairly soon. Turnbull is a dead man walking and Adolf Turd is circling. Another election would almost certainly be a Labor win.

      Even if the the Liberals fall over the line with 1-3 seats its a bad win. As for the stare she doesn’t get that her attitude is part of their problem.

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      • Agree Ace. I’m in Gilmore and the Lieberal leads by 400 votes which is around half my village. Just have to figure out which 400 deserve the cat treatment.

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        • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

          The more I watch the Liberals today they seem to all have the same parrot lines. What I saw of Turdballs speech of last night the more I saw him circa 2009.

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    • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

      But, gee whiz – Mirabella has been sent packing again. Indi – the place to be – good politician, good food and lots of bloody good wine and craft beer.

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  7. algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

    The pie cart iwners must be loving this results. Turnbull will struggle to hold the leadership

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  8. vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

    According to my calculations, Cathy McGowan is winning and will win Indi.

    Kelly O’Dwyer in Higgins is probably pooping her pants – predict Greens will take Higgins.

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    • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

      Good to here for Cathy. I guess O’Dwyer mayne wearing brown pants

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      • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

        She’ll probably scrape back in but will have had a change of pants. Effing Abbott to win but has had nearly 10% swing against.

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    • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

      The one legged arse kicker mamaged a swing to him. Just goes to show what happens when. Labor parachutes a Sussex st hack who knows sod all about the electorate in as a candidate.

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  9. Oh well, voted against Liberals, see what happens. 🙂

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  10. algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

    Can you believe this the. Greens candidate here is inside the gate talking to people as they queue to vote.

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    • The Liberals offered me a how to vote card, I relied “No thanks, I’m right for toilet paper…”

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      • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

        I took the Algernonina’s down only for the sausage and cakes to vote and about to go with Mrs A to vote now. I like your style. I might ask the Liberals how Alexanders artificial leg is. The Algenonina’s impressed they took nobodies.

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        • No sausage sizzlers here Ace but all rusted on Libs by the look of them, rich retirees.

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        • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

          I asked the Liberal pamphleteer about Alexander’s artificial leg. He looked at me strange. Those around though laughed. You wouldn’t know here what they vote. Big crowds early. Up the road from the shops this morning it took 1.5 hours to vote. for the Algernonina’s it took 30 minutes and maybe 20 for us.

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      • Nice one… and so civilised 🙂

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  11. vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

    It looks to me like the ABC on TV and on-line is doing a lot of campaigning for Turnbull. This really pisses me off.

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    • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

      Yes I see that. I think we might see a hung parliament with a Minority LNP government. They will rip themselves to bits and another House of representatives election within 6 months.

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      • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

        Drum not taking any of my posts. It’s part of the Liberal plot – rigged the ABC. I’m just going to hope that Labor wins by a good margin. Anything can happen ! Will be closely watching Indi results tomorrow night. Absolutely nothing happening in Farrer.

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        • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

          Hmmm – one up on each Friday piece. At last.
          Been damp and cold here every day. Hope tomorrow is not so miserable (although always love the rain – just haven’t had any sunshine for most of the month).

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        • Abc banned me for some reason. I was able to post twice last fortnight. As for campaigning for Turnbull, those at the ABC Leigh Sales and Annabel Crap and a few others can see what is coming in their direction and they don’t want to lose their jobs…ass-kissers..

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        • Sea Monster's avatar Sea Monster said:

          I had a crack at Alpo for what I perceive as empty Labor boosterism (who cares if s/he is upbeat about Labor’s chances, who cares if Alfie is upbeat about Liberall) and that didn’t get up.

          Just saying. I don’t think it’s as neatly partisan as you think.

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        • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

          I thought Leigh’s nose was a bright shade of brown this week and her eyes quite black. These Journo’s have to realise they ain’t the story.

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        • Kissing ass has nothing to do with partisanship.

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        • Sea Monster's avatar Sea Monster said:

          I was referring to Vivienne’s theory that Labor commentors were being sidelined. What she’s not seeing is that Liberal fans are probably getting spiked just as much as Labor fans.

          She could get an insight by noting Liberal fans regularly complain that they get spiked. I get spiked (not as often as you folks) when I’m criticising Labor and Liberal in equal measures.

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        • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

          I think vivienne has a point. I don’t dispute that Liberal fans get spiked but not to the same extent as those on the Left. Look at some of the prolific Liberals. Big Ben or whatever he wants to call himself, Alfie’s another, the various Johns’ or that clown Albo. Claudius P writes some outrageous stuff. Some write to the point of domineering.

          I’m lucky if I get one in three up but I don’t write that much nowadays. hph here reckons they can fail over a week, vivienne has similar problems, Same with Hung.

          What the site needs to do is uphold the sites rules, they rarely do.

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  12. Bloody Brexit. Couldn’t they write about soup or oysters.

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  13. Big M:

    28 Jun 2016 3:00:39pm

    ‘All patients in all main hospitals do not get a unedited video copy after having a gastroscopy or/and endoscopy done.’
    No, but they do get a photo of the lesion (if any) of interest.

    ‘They don’t let you do it because the hospitals have no liability insurance!!!
    They don’t want it either!!!!’
    Actually, public hospitals pay massive premiums for liability insurance.

    ‘They will charge you $800.00 if you insist to have a copy when it can be done for$10.00.’

    No, again, not true.

    Try injecting some facts into your, off topic, posts in future.

    Reply Alert moderator

    [Stick it up him Sister]

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  14. algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

    We had both partys at our local shops today. Had a debate with the Labor party person. Nurses Union she was from I’d say. Told her I’ve voted Labor nearly all my life so why treat us with contempt by dropping a Sussex Street hack into the seat. She’s lived here two years and it’s a bloody expert on the area understands the needs blah blah blah. The Liberals got short shrift, told her she could keep her tissue of lies and that the Local Member is a useless one legged arse kicker who has done fuck all in six years. The rare occasion he speaks in the parliament he gets it wrong.

    Junior asked me about one of the candidates (he’s OS and may have to postal vote there). They appear to have taken a leaf out of Cathy McGowans book. Even prepared to put up what he believes in, much of which aligns with my thinking.

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  15. ABC moderators didn’t like this post. I wonder why? Hah!
    ,,,,,,,,,,,

    Here is a list of privatisation deals in Australia over the past 20 years.

    Australian Industry Development Corporation
    State Bank of Victoria
    Commonwealth bank
    Loy Yang B power station
    Portland Smelter Unit Trust
    AUSSAT
    QANTAS
    GIO
    State Insurance Office
    Heatane Gas
    NSW Grain Corporation
    Gladstone Power Station
    NSW State bank
    Moomba to Sydney gas pipeline
    CSL
    Tabcorp
    Grain Elevators Board
    Collinsville power station
    Pipelines Authority of South Australia
    United Energy
    GFE Resources
    Solaris Power
    Powercor
    Eastern Energy
    Citipower
    Aerospace Technologies of Australia
    Port of Geelong
    Port of Portland
    State Government Insurance Commission
    Transurban
    Bank West
    Commonwealth Bank
    Commonwealth Funds Management
    Suncorp-Metway
    Yallourn power station
    Hazelwood Power station
    Bank SA
    Axiom Funds Management
    Forwood Products
    World Trade Centre
    Victorian Plantations Corp
    Powernet Victoria
    Australian National Rail
    Brisbane Airport
    Melbourne Airport
    Perth Airport
    Adelaide Airport
    Canberra airport
    Hobart airport
    Darwin & Alice Springs airport
    Telstra
    State Gas Pipeline
    Dampier-to-Bunbury natural gas pipeline
    Ecogen Energy
    Queensland TAB
    Gascor
    ETSA transmission
    Westar/Kinetik
    Miltinet/Ikon
    Torrens Island power station
    Alinta Gas
    ElectraNet
    Bell Bay power station
    National Rail Corporation and Freightcorp
    Millmerran power station
    Roaring 40s Renewable Energy
    DirectLink
    Australian Railway Group
    Murraylink power connector
    Allgas energy
    Sun Retail
    Powerdirect
    QR National
    Port Kembla and Port Botany
    Queensland Motorways
    Rural Finance

    And in the future:

    Medibank Private
    Australia Post
    NBN Co
    ABC and SBS
    Airservices Australia
    Snowy Hydro
    The ASC
    HECS debt

    and…. MEDICARE

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    • vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

      Also flogging off Hearing Australia (not sure of exact name).

      Yes, HPH – what do we have to show for it – two things, CBA does make a big profit and Qantas does not cost the government having to buy new planes all the time. The rest pissed up againt the wall and we pay more.

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    • algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

      Medibank Private has been privatised.

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  16. Leigh Sales makes me puke.

    (Yes you were right Helvi & Gerard)

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  17. God, I’ve just trawled through some recent comments on Mungo’s article. The rabid right are having the shit kicked out of them, and they think it’s raining chocolate.

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  18. vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

  19. algernon1's avatar algernon1 said:

    So. Wafflealot reckons Tony Jones is a mouthpiece for the Labor Party. Who would have thought. Woeful performance from him on Q&A.

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  20. Lying swine pig-shit Turnbull says he has no intention to privatise Medicare. All those American private health & insurance companies are lining up to enter our orifice.

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    • Wait and see what will happen to the education, health care and agriculture sector thru Free Trade Agreements if they win the election. Everything else has been sold to the private sector already. We better stock up with Vaseline while they are still cheap!
      🙂

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  21. Who is this coward dickhead sick individual posting under the screen-names ‘Halvi’ and ‘geriatric oopsman’? Any ideas? 🙂

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  22. Hah Haaa.. I was having a good laugh while reading the exchange between Odie and SoZ at Jacinta Carroll’s page. So funny. 🙂

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    • …and other conversations in the same thread as well. SoZ is pissing on them and they all are happy thanking Zeus for sending the rain. 🙂

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    • SoZ has a great wit. Did you get the feeling that he was fishing and Odie went for the bait?

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      • No Mark, I didn’t get that feeling. He just writes. What he writes rubs some people the right way and they get annoyed and respond to him and then he urinates on them. 🙂

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      • One thing Mark. You and Big M have the same wit but you don’t practise it on the Drum. I suppose due to work and other commitments… Another thing is you have to get past the moderator which is the most important step. The mods have their own favourite children.

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        • Hardly worth wasting a few hundred words to have them rejected for no reason, but thanks for the compliment.

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        • Thanks hph. I agree with Big M. Once upon a time they would let through some witty replies but after a lot of mine got blocked I gave up. I actually didn’t visit the drum for a long time because of that. I like writing stories for us here at the Arms but often struggle with writers block and hence am inconsistent.

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        • Ditto, but it’s great therapy.

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  23. Jean Oliver:

    15 Jun 2016 10:25:58am

    Leave off with this ‘statesman’ nonsense – you wouldn’t know one if you fell over him or her. For Liberals it seems there will never be the right time for anything. Not recognition, a treaty, a real NBN, real funding for public hospitals and education because you can’t see how to make money out of it. Blindness and drivel dominate your thinking on every bloody thing.

    Reply Alert moderator

    [Well said]

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  24. vivienne29's avatar vivienne29 said:

    After months of the same You Said It someone finally put a fresh lot up and Algernon tops the little list. Yay !

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